If god is perfect, god is satan

And it showed in some of his writings. Still it doesn't mean anything one way or another. Good reading material btw, at least the few I have read. I like Lewis' works. Mere Christianity was pretty good, oh and The Great Divorce.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
It's the old "why do bad things happen to good people" problem. I recommend CS Lewis' "The Problem of Pain," a whole book that attempts to answer this question.

"Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal."

Job did suffer and it's truly horrible that he lost everything, but Satan made an accusation that people only love God when everything is going well. God said this wasn't true and provided an example with Job, but if you actually read the story, God is still looking after him because he limits what Satan can do to him, and yet Job continues to pray and be faithful. It's supposed to provide an example to people that God doesn't abandon people when things go wrong. Evil is in the world because humans have free will and God is not going to get rid of that free will.

he still committed a so called "sin" completely willingly, unless your saying satan has control over god. He approved the use of basically torture, in order to prove a point.

I did take a meaning from the story. It's a little presumptuous for you to accuse someone of twisting the meaning of a story to fit their beliefs since everyone does that, including you. Every interpretation of a story is going to have some sort of bias. You have stated multiple times you disapprove of and have a low tolerance for all Christians (yep, all 2.1 billion in the world just don't sit well with you, how open-minded and accepting), so when you read a story from the Bible, of course you're going to interpret it as negative. I think you should open the Bible, read it cover to cover, take the story of Job into context, and then form an educated opinion, taking into consideration the historical, poetic, allegorical principles of it.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I did take a meaning from the story. It's a little presumptuous for you to accuse someone of twisting the meaning of a story to fit their beliefs since everyone does that, including you. Every interpretation of a story is going to have some sort of bias. You have stated multiple times you disapprove of and have a low tolerance for all Christians (yep, all 2.1 billion in the world just don't sit well with you, how open-minded and accepting), so when you read a story from the Bible, of course you're going to interpret it as negative. I think you should open the Bible, read it cover to cover, take the story of Job into context, and then form an educated opinion, taking into consideration the historical, poetic, allegorical principles of it.

one of my best friends is christian(also a moron). he even comes on this forum to embarrass himself(im looking at you transfinitum 😛 )

so dont preach tolerance, when yu cant even follow your half assed ideals

I'd like to know what makes you think I don't have any atheistic friends/acquaintances. Jump to conclusions much? Just because I don't like you doesn't mean I dislike all atheists. 😆

I'm not married to an atheist, but I'd like to know how you know the religious affiliations of the people I dated before I met him.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
dont speak of tolerance. you dont have the right. because its oh so clear that you hate and disapprove of atheism as a whole, and hate/dislike individuals who follow that path. when you have an atheist as a best friend or even better have an atheist boyfriend get back to me.

one of my best friends is christian(also a moron). he even comes on this forum to embarrass himself(im looking at you transfinitum 😛 )

so dont preach tolerance, when yu cant even follow your half assed ideals

Umm, not to jump into this lover's tiff...but I think your conclusions there are wrong and actually libelous.

I don't know if you understand how hypocritical that little rant for WilloftheWisp not to be prejudicial was...

Ouch, lovers tiff. You set me straight, Grand Moff. Let's get back on track on discussing what perfection means.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Ouch, lovers tiff. You set me straight, Grand Moff. Let's get back on track on discussing what perfection means.

Perfection is not real. 😄

Originally posted by chickenlover98
dont speak of tolerance. you dont have the right. because its oh so clear that you hate and disapprove of atheism as a whole, and hate/dislike individuals who follow that path. when you have an atheist as a best friend or even better have an atheist boyfriend get back to me.

one of my best friends is christian(also a moron). he even comes on this forum to embarrass himself(im looking at you transfinitum 😛 )

so dont preach tolerance, when yu cant even follow your half assed ideals

You're so stupid it's almost ceased to be funny.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Perfection is not real. 😄

Amen to that (figuratively speaking of course).

Originally posted by chickenlover98
dont speak of tolerance. you dont have the right. because its oh so clear that you hate and disapprove of atheism as a whole, and hate/dislike individuals who follow that path. when you have an atheist as a best friend or even better have an atheist boyfriend get back to me.

one of my best friends is christian(also a moron). he even comes on this forum to embarrass himself(im looking at you transfinitum 😛 )

so dont preach tolerance, when yu cant even follow your half assed ideals

Takes a big man to admit to that. That's integrity and that's a big thing not found much today. ✅

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Perfection is not real. 😄

I agree.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Takes a big man to admit to that. That's integrity and that's a big thing not found much today. ✅

I agree.

What, that perfection is not real? 😕

Originally posted by Deja~vu
What, that perfection is not real? 😕

Originally posted by chickenlover98
in the Christian religion, god is perfect in everyway and all powerful. we know this isnt true because of the hundreds of contradictions but lets take it as fact.

if god is perfect in EVERYWAY then he must be the perfect good AND the perfect evil. if he is not, then he is not truly perfect, because he is lacking. similarly, if god is perfect he must never lie, and be the best liar ever. we come to a paradox here, because he can never do wrong, yet is the perfect wrongdoer.

It's funny how non-believers say that all of Gods miracles are coincidences, that the easy answer is "God did it" if you don't look into them.

But wen they find some supposed "contradictions" in the book they come up with the easy answer that "God doesn't exist".

It's also amusing that around 80% of Christians have already read these "contradictions" and could find a reasonable explanation.

If God was to do wrong he'd do it better than anyyone, so yes he is the perfect wrong doer. But the amazing thing is that he loves mankind so much that he doesn't do wrong (even though he's perfect at doing wrong).

Originally posted by chickenlover98
ya i dont think it can be real

Originally posted by chickenlover98
im gonna go ahead and apologize, i got pissed at something and went off. i of course, assumed things, and im sorry. i sound like an idiot.

I know how hard it can be to apologize and how easy it is to make assumptions, so no hard feelings there.

Perfection can be real, just not within the confines of humanity. We've proven over and over again we are an imperfect species, but that doesn't mean perfection can't exist anywhere.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I know how hard it can be to apologize and how easy it is to make assumptions, so no hard feelings there.

Perfection can be real, just not within the confines of humanity. We've proven over and over again we are an imperfect species, but that doesn't mean perfection can't exist anywhere.

i disagree, but then again its all based on the definition of perfect 😉

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
It's funny how non-believers say that all of Gods miracles are coincidences, that the easy answer is "God did it" if you don't look into them.

But wen they find some supposed "contradictions" in the book they come up with the easy answer that "God doesn't exist".

It's also amusing that around 80% of Christians have already read these "contradictions" and could find a reasonable explanation.

If God was to do wrong he'd do it better than anyyone, so yes he is the perfect wrong doer. But the amazing thing is that he loves mankind so much that he doesn't do wrong (even though he's perfect at doing wrong).

i also find it amusing how much faith you put in humanity. people really arent that smart as a whole 😱

Originally posted by chickenlover98
i also find it amusing how much faith you put in humanity. people really arent that smart as a whole 😱

You'd think her faith would be daunted...after her discussion with you...🙂