If god is perfect, god is satan

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If you're right those people are still making a choice. The idea that you somehow have the right to dictate what they should believe is sick. I realize that blind intolerance is an integral part of Buddhism but you should realize that it's wrong.

Wow! you need to learn something about Buddhism. Now I don't know about all types of Buddhist, but blind intolerance has nothing to do with the type of Buddhist I am.

A person can choose to jump into a raging river. Should I not tell them they the river is dangerous?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Wow! you need to learn something about Buddhism. Now I don't know about all types of Buddhist, but blind intolerance has nothing to do with the type of Buddhist I am.

You show that quite rarely. I prefer to judge by a person's actions rather than by what their faith simply says.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A person can choose to jump into a raging river. Should I not tell them they the river is dangerous?

If I make a man of straw and knock it over can I say that I have defeated a man with one punch?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You show that quite rarely. I prefer to judge by a person's actions rather than by what their faith simply says.

If I make a man of straw and knock it over can I say that I have defeated a man with one punch?

I show what quite rarely?

😕 I don't know what "man of straw" is all about.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I show what quite rarely?

Tolerance.

You've expressed the belief that all Christians are evil. You've made it clear you don't think it's possible to be a "real" Christian and not become JIA. You openly mock other systems of belief when they differ from yours rather than present an actual argument or admit that people have the right to believe what they wish even if you disagree. You take the opportunity to make jabs at people of other faiths even when unprovoked.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😕 I don't know what "man of straw" is all about.

Strawman is a type of logical fallacy that you were using, probably unintentionally.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Tolerance.

You've expressed the belief that all Christians are evil. You've made it clear you don't think it's possible to be a "real" Christian and not become JIA. You openly mock other systems of belief when they differ from yours rather than present an actual argument or admit that people have the right to believe what they wish even if you disagree. You take the opportunity to make jabs at people of other faiths even when unprovoked.

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I think you need to get something out of your butt. BTW this is a debate forum, and if you can't take the debate, maybe you should go for a walk.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
strawman is a type of logical fallacy that you were using, probably unintentionally.

I know what a straw-man is, but it had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

If the people who state there is no God are right, and again, that's a pretty big if, then for those who have believed, no harm, no foul. I don't consider it a waste. Christianity promises something far better and lovelier than a lot of alternatives do and if I was wrong to believe it, at least I led a happy life trying to do greater things than Nature intended for me.

It does get a little tiresome to hear nothing but the "this thread's topic is pointless because there is no God" statement coming back again and again. If you believe that, you have all the freedom to believe it, but it does not contribute to the topic at hand in the slightest.

It's very easy to get offended and offend other people on a board since all you have is typed words and not body language or tone.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
If the people who state there is no God are right, and again, that's a pretty big if, then for those who have believed, no harm, no foul. I don't consider it a waste. Christianity promises something far better and lovelier than a lot of alternatives do and if I was wrong to believe it, at least I led a happy life trying to do greater things than Nature intended for me.

It does get a little tiresome to hear nothing but the "this thread's topic is pointless because there is no God" statement coming back again and again. If you believe that, you have all the freedom to believe it, but it does not contribute to the topic at hand in the slightest.

It's very easy to get offended and offend other people on a board since all you have is typed words and not body language or tone.

The "if" I was talking about was not an atheistic point of view. I was saying, what if your god is not real? I am not an atheist, I simply believe that the god of the bible is no different then the Greek gods of mythology, man made.

I don't understand what you mean then. The question of whether or not something is real depends on whether or not someone fabricated it. If you believe the Greek gods for example were man-made, then you believe they were never real. Please explain.

Are you saying something like "what if the Christian God is not real but the [example] Hindu gods are real?"

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I don't understand what you mean then. The question of whether or not something is real depends on whether or not someone fabricated it. If you believe the Greek gods for example were man-made, then you believe they were never real. Please explain.

Are you saying something like "what if the Christian God is not real but the [example] Hindu gods are real?"

OK, I believe that the true nature of God cannot be understood by humans. Therefore, all attempts at understanding God are wrong. All gods, religions and holy books are made by humans based on a lack of understanding. We are all equal...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
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I think you need to get something out of your butt. BTW this is a debate forum, and if you can't take the debate, maybe you should go for a walk.

Debate requires thought or, you know, debate. Simple insults and intentional attacks are not debate. JIA at least tries you seem to have few if any real arguments.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I know what a straw-man is, but it had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

Actually your attempt to refute my statement was a perfect example of a strawman argument. Nice try at dodging though.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
OK, I believe that the true nature of God cannot be understood by humans. Therefore, all attempts at understanding God are wrong. All gods, religions and holy books are made by humans based on a lack of understanding. We are all equal...

Then why debate? You already know that your own concept of God's existence or non-existence is wrong as well.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Debate requires thought or, you know, debate. Simple insults and intentional attacks are not debate. JIA at least tries you seem to have few if any real arguments.

Actually your attempt to refute my statement was a perfect example of a strawman argument. Nice try at dodging though.

I have not insulted or attacked anyone. You are way off, and just trying to bait me. Fail.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then why debate? You already know that your own concept of God's existence or non-existence is wrong as well.

I was answer a question. Stop trolling me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was answer a question. Stop trolling me.

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This is a debate forum. Maybe you need to go take a walk.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
OK, I believe that the true nature of God cannot be understood by humans. Therefore, all attempts at understanding God are wrong. All gods, religions and holy books are made by humans based on a lack of understanding. We are all equal...

Okay, I can understand that. But wouldn't that imply God does not WANT to be understood? The implications of what you said seem to be that God is so far removed from anything we are doing that he/she/it acts more as a passive observer and really couldn't care less about all our petty goings-on. But if God wanted to be part of people's lives and reveal him/her/itself to us, wouldn't that give us some insight? Part of what sets Christianity apart from other belief systems for me is how much of an effort God makes to be close to us.

It seems that just because the God/human relationship is so difficult doesn't mean human beings shouldn't naturally be curious about the supernatural, or even be enlightened by God every now and then.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Okay, I can understand that. But wouldn't that imply God does not WANT to be understood? The implications of what you said seem to be that God is so far removed from anything we are doing that he/she/it acts more as a passive observer and really couldn't care less about all our petty goings-on. But if God wanted to be part of people's lives and reveal him/her/itself to us, wouldn't that give us some insight? Part of what sets Christianity apart from other belief systems for me is how much of an effort God makes to be close to us.

It seems that just because the God/human relationship is so difficult doesn't mean human beings shouldn't naturally be curious about the supernatural, or even be enlightened by God every now and then.

However, what I said does not imply that God wants or does not want anything at all. The implication of what I said does not mean that God is far removed. You are projecting your own beliefs onto what I said.

God cannot be understood by humans does not imply anything that can be understood by humans. All religions are equally right and equally wrong.