Originally posted by ushomefree
Shakyamunison-Why don't you stop the theatrics and debate Grand Moff Gav?
I don't know what you are talking about. I don't see any theatrics, and if Grand Moff Gav wishes to debate something, all he has to to is tell me.
I think you are missing on what is going on. Grand Moff Gav is my friend, and we will from time to time poke fun at each other.
Afraid to Get Banned, Still
I like this topic.
Yes, most people think God is this combo of the Christian + Middle Eastern etc. religions, never wavering.. I don't really see God as a Christian in Middle Eastern guise. He encompasses things like sexuality. Middle Eastern, like Jewish, is both a "race" (ethnicity) and a religion.
It's a pretty controversial topic. It almost sounds like a good mark to create a private group, such as through Delphi chat & forums or *********, which is like vBulletin. I'm afraid to get banned if I typed a lot about it.
If God in the Catholic religion is through the Jews, it's hard to imagine Heaven as white, which, no, I did not intend for that to be funny/a joke. I assume the world was like Greece and Rome prior to the lengthy legend of Camelot? (Because of the literature I did in honors in college, I read a lot of legends.) Are Jews outcasts of the white population? Who are the Chinese and Asians? I heard that the Japanese are Russian and the Chinese are 92% African, and about a family who migrated to a country (not Russia) from China who now have blue eyes and light hair, though I am not sure I believe it in that way.
Re: Afraid to Get Banned, Still
Originally posted by demon-lllama
I like this topic.Yes, most people think God is this combo of the Christian + Middle Eastern etc. religions, never wavering.. I don't really see God as a Christian in Middle Eastern guise. He encompasses things like sexuality. Middle Eastern, like Jewish, is both a "race" (ethnicity) and a religion.
It's a pretty controversial topic. It almost sounds like a good mark to create a private group, such as through Delphi chat & forums or *********, which is like vBulletin. I'm afraid to get banned if I typed a lot about it.
If God in the Catholic religion is through the Jews, it's hard to imagine Heaven as white, which, no, I did not intend for that to be funny/a joke. I assume the world was like Greece and Rome prior to the lengthy legend of Camelot? (Because of the literature I did in honors in college, I read a lot of legends.) Are Jews outcasts of the white population? Who are the Chinese and Asians? I heard that the Japanese are Russian and the Chinese are 92% African, and about a family who migrated to a country (not Russia) from China who now have blue eyes and light hair, though I am not sure I believe it in that way.
i have no idea wtf you just said, but you can drop the scared. there are no mods on the religion forum, just for that reason. the controversiatility of religion is what makes it such a great topic. long as you dont start a gigantic flame war, you can talk about pretty much anything. just dont shit talk people or bash. otherwise your good
Originally posted by ushomefreeoh ill give you some contradictions. my FAVORITE biblical story, the good old story of job. god can do no evil, yet he can kill a mans entire family, take away all of his possessions and make him suffer and feel absolutely no remorse, solely for the advancement of his position in the eyes of SATAN!
True.What contradictions? Please elaborate to substantiate your post.
Being good (holy) refers to the nature of Almighty God. God is incapable of evil (sin), much like you are incapable of breathing water. God is pure; on the other hand, Satan -- the master deceiver -- is the polar opposite of Almighty God. God is incapable of lying.
so no, never tell me he can do no evil, when the contradiction is before your very face. your ignorance disgusts me
Originally posted by DigiMark007I've always loved that one, reminds me of a Outer Limits show where a guy tells the Devil to get lost but he can't. 😆
I generally dislike omnipotence paradoxes (they're easy to come up with...this is just one example). The classic example is "Can god make a rock so heavy he can't lift it?"
Originally posted by Da Pittman
I've always loved that one, reminds me of a Outer Limits show where a guy tells the Devil to get lost but he can't. 😆
An excellant episode! Though I think its Twilight Zone isn't it?
Originally posted by chickenlover98
"perfect" means just that. complete in every way, lacking nothing, no capability, in any respect.hope that clears that up gav
1. conforming absolutely to the description or definition of an ideal type: a perfect sphere; a perfect gentleman.2. excellent or complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement: There is no perfect legal code. The proportions of this temple are almost perfect.
3. exactly fitting the need in a certain situation or for a certain purpose: a perfect actor to play Mr. Micawber; a perfect saw for cutting out keyholes.
4. entirely without any flaws, defects, or shortcomings: a perfect apple; the perfect crime.
5. accurate, exact, or correct in every detail: a perfect copy.
6. thorough; complete; utter: perfect strangers.
7. pure or unmixed: perfect yellow.
I don't see your definition in that list...
Originally posted by chickenlover98
oh ill give you some contradictions. my FAVORITE biblical story, the good old story of job. god can do no evil, yet he can kill a mans entire family, take away all of his possessions and make him suffer and feel absolutely no remorse, solely for the advancement of his position in the eyes of SATAN!so no, never tell me he can do no evil, when the contradiction is before your very face. your ignorance disgusts me
In Job God allows Satan to do those evil things, he then gives Job every thing the Devil took away, and more.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
how is that any different. so he tortured him by extension by allowing him to do it. it still falls to god as the source, making him a torturer.
As God says to Job.
"Where were you when the foundations of the Earth were laid? Where were you when the seas were filled"
Im paraphrasing but he says something to that effect. Anyway, who are you to question God...you don't have the knowledge nor the ability.
🙂
Anyway, perfect means something cannot be improved. Being complete as you put it, does not mean you have to be both all good and all evil.
A perfect glass of water would have no impurities. Yet, by your definition it needs impurities or else it isn't perfect.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gavnot exactly. a perfect glass of water is perfect in one definition, not all. the bible says god is perfect in EVERYWAY, lacking nothing, therefore good AND evil
As God says to Job."Where were you when the foundations of the Earth were laid? Where were you when the seas were filled"
Im paraphrasing but he says something to that effect. Anyway, who are you to question God...you don't have the knowledge nor the ability.
🙂
Anyway, perfect means something cannot be improved. Being complete as you put it, does not mean you have to be both all good and all evil.
A perfect glass of water would have no impurities. Yet, by your definition it needs impurities or else it isn't perfect.
At my old church where I did organ, the argument before I left was that you cannot depend on your parents (older people) to be perfect and that that dependence should only be busy with God. Things, at least for me I know, have changed a lot since that time. It's like the Kids' Pack at the movie theater, everything in one for me on this earth. It's like making your guy into the pharaoh.
Imagine if I actually had friends where my life would be. I feel I am too forward, as though I have nothing to draw from, if you will.
Originally posted by demon-lllama
At my old church where I did organ, the argument before I left was that you cannot depend on your parents (older people) to be perfect and that that dependence should only be busy with God. Things, at least for me I know, have changed a lot since that time. It's like the Kids' Pack at the movie theater, everything in one for me on this earth. It's like making your guy into the pharaoh.Imagine if I actually had friends where my life would be. I feel I am too forward, as though I have nothing to draw from, if you will.
Heretic.
Originally posted by chickenlover98
how is that any different. so he tortured him by extension by allowing him to do it. it still falls to god as the source, making him a torturer.
It's the old "why do bad things happen to good people" problem. I recommend CS Lewis' "The Problem of Pain," a whole book that attempts to answer this question.
"Love may forgive all infirmities and love still in spite of them: but Love cannot cease to will their removal."
Job did suffer and it's truly horrible that he lost everything, but Satan made an accusation that people only love God when everything is going well. God said this wasn't true and provided an example with Job, but if you actually read the story, God is still looking after him because he limits what Satan can do to him, and yet Job continues to pray and be faithful. It's supposed to provide an example to people that God doesn't abandon people when things go wrong. Evil is in the world because humans have free will and God is not going to get rid of that free will.
C.S Lewis and Tolkien were very close friends and would critique each others work, if I remember right. They mixed fantasy, mythology with belief, at least Lewis did. Tolkein took his experiences from WWI experiencing the horrors he saw during that time and put it into his series "The Lord of the Rings."
You have to wonder if Lewis was a true believer since he was quoted: page 276 of C.S. Lewis: A Biography, by Roger Lancelyn Green. Lewis stated, "I had some ado to prevent Joy and myself from relapsing into Paganism in Attica! At Daphni it was hard not to pray to Apollo the Healer. But somehow one didn't feel it would have been very wrong - would have only been addressing Christ sub specie Apollinis."
Though I believe a much better book on the stuggles of life, faith and overcoming would be Hinds' Feet on High Places, by Hannah Hurnard. It's an allegory, but pretty good if you take out of it want you want and leave the other things behind. The story of Job goes along the same lines. It's not literal.
Yet I do believe in the importance of love for all things, people and circumstances.
Job is a story of not losing faith in the righteousness of goodness. Yet it is said he was being tempted by god and there was some conversation between god and Satan that WAS allowed into Heaven the place where there is NO evil. This contradicts scripture.
Originally posted by Deja~vu
You have to wonder if Lewis was a true believer since he was quoted: page 276 of C.S. Lewis: A Biography, by Roger Lancelyn Green. Lewis stated, "I had some ado to prevent Joy and myself from relapsing into Paganism in Attica! At Daphni it was hard not to pray to Apollo the Healer. But somehow one didn't feel it would have been very wrong - would have only been addressing Christ sub specie Apollinis."
Lewis was originally an atheist. Supposedly Tolkien presented some merits of Christianity to him.