If god is perfect, god is satan

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
You'd think her faith would be daunted...after her discussion with you...🙂

Originally posted by willofthewisp

Perfection can be real, just not within the confines of humanity. We've proven over and over again we are an imperfect species, but that doesn't mean perfection can't exist anywhere.

Well, in the interest of literature, he was at one time quite a hero - fighting for democracy in heaven and all that.

But yeah, if God exists, I want nothing to do with him.

It's not literature, it's a field of science or theory.

Could there be perfection in imperfection? Could there be organized in the unorganized?

Oh and god is only a name for a working system that people don't understand, let alone myself.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Well, in the interest of literature, he was at one time quite a hero - fighting for democracy in heaven and all that.

But yeah, if God exists, I want nothing to do with him.

Ok.

Again if god is perfect, then so is this Satan since all is part of god himself. There is no place that god is NOT. There is no place that god is not part of. So, god is in Satan. In this view of scripture, you could say that god is also Satan.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Again if god is perfect, then so is this Satan since all is part of god himself. There is no place that god is NOT. There is no place that god is not part of. So, god is in Satan. In this view of scripture, you could say that god is also Satan.

😱

We are being tormented by the one who loves us.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
thats my point, yet most if not all christians deny it.

No they just disagree with you quite validly.

No.
Satan is NOT perfect = Satan is NOT God

God is perfect (as the story says)

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
No.
Satan is NOT perfect = Satan is NOT God

God is perfect (as the story says)

But if they are both fictional, then it all depends on who you ask.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But if they are both fictional, then it all depends on who you ask.

That's a pretty big "if" in there. 🙂

The way I've always seen it, God is in everything, but that doesn't mean he chooses to control everything. Free will exists. We have free will and so does Satan. Satan is not God's equal. God already defeated him and Satan is technically powerless, but that doesn't mean he doesn't try.

I don't know much about the ancient Zoroaster religion that believed in an absolute good and absolute evil, but it was kind of the first belief system that acknowledged a supernatural being that chose to do evil. But correct me if I'm wrong, the people that followed that religion believed that both good and evil existed from the beginning and were always in conflict with each other without one ever winning for the long-term. In Christianity, Satan opposed God and was cast out of Heaven with God saying in Genesis that he would send a Savior that would crush Satan's head. That happened, so Satan is not perfect evil, and no evil can match God's goodness. That's what I believe anyway.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I don't know much about the ancient Zoroaster religion that believed in an absolute good and absolute evil, but it was kind of the first belief system that acknowledged a supernatural being that chose to do evil.

Just about every faith throughout history has had a supernatural being that chooses to do evil.

But wasn't that one of the first? I don't recall the Sumerian belief system for example having a "Satan" figure.

My point was just that something that sets Christianity apart from some of the ancient religions and even some modern ones is that evil is already technically defeated in Christianity.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
That's a pretty big "if" in there. 🙂

The way I've always seen it, God is in everything, but that doesn't mean he chooses to control everything. Free will exists. We have free will and so does Satan. Satan is not God's equal. God already defeated him and Satan is technically powerless, but that doesn't mean he doesn't try.

I don't know much about the ancient Zoroaster religion that believed in an absolute good and absolute evil, but it was kind of the first belief system that acknowledged a supernatural being that chose to do evil. But correct me if I'm wrong, the people that followed that religion believed that both good and evil existed from the beginning and were always in conflict with each other without one ever winning for the long-term. In Christianity, Satan opposed God and was cast out of Heaven with God saying in Genesis that he would send a Savior that would crush Satan's head. That happened, so Satan is not perfect evil, and no evil can match God's goodness. That's what I believe anyway.

A big if? Well, I can narrow it do a little for you; any god that is a "he" is a man made god. Also, satan is a mythological being and is also man made.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
A big if? Well, I can narrow it do a little for you; any god that is a "he" is a man made god. Also, satan is a mythological being and is also man made.

Sure, if you're right.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Sure, if you're right.

And if I am?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
And if I am?

Then nothing happens. If you're right.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then nothing happens. If you're right.

Not true. If I am right, then some people are wasting their lives.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Not true. If I am right, then some people are wasting their lives.

If you're right those people are still making a choice. The idea that you somehow have the right to dictate what they should believe is sick. I realize that blind intolerance is an integral part of Buddhism but you should realize that it's wrong.