Originally posted by chillmeistergen
On an individual, case by case basis. Not by outlawing, or having a go at a whole industry.
riiiiiiight, maybe we shud also, put the same criteria for madrissahs and alqaeda. after all, how much of their total percentage is involved in direct negetive actions???? 😆
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Again, this debate isn't about the existence of choice. We agree that there is a choice. However the debate about is whether or not it is a reasonable choice. People can be forced after all. A woman can be forced to choose to do pron.
Sure, if a woman is told "either **** this man while we film it, or we'll kill your child and here is some money", she only has one reasonable choice.
More to the original point of Leo and porn being the 7th circle of hell, I doubt those extremes envelope the porn industry and the state of your typical porn star.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
but they{as in all the people who voted for him} DID vote for him didnt tthey,they made th CHOICE!!!!!lol, basically, what i am saying is that until the physical choice made, reflects pefectly, the desires and intentioned of the person who made the physical choice, it isnt really worthy of being called a true choice. again, forced choice is NOT CHOICE.
Both are those paragraphs have the same issue: intent is nice and all but the end result may end up being different.
I could vote for a president who says "x" but he does "y."
Individual choice works the same because you might want some to turn out the way you wanted it to doesn't mean it will come out that way so it ends up becoming subjective regardless.
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Oh yeah, you played the "decency" card, didn't you?
I did yes. 🙂 Is that a problem?
Originally posted by Robtard
Sure, if a woman is told "either **** this man while we film it, or we'll kill your child and here is some money", she only has one reasonable choice.More to the original point of Leo and porn being the 7th circle of hell, I doubt those extremes envelope the porn industry and the state of your typical porn star.
Again, I wasn't actually talking about the Porn Industry- it was just the example giving. My points where about the nature of choice.
Originally posted by chithappens
Both are those paragraphs have the same issue: intent is nice and all but the end result may end up being different.I could vote for a president who says "x" but he does "y."
Individual choice works the same because you might want some to turn out the way you wanted it to doesn't mean it will come out that way so it ends up becoming subjective regardless.
and hence it wasnt YOUR choice, or it wasnt CHOICE at all.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
riiiiiiight, maybe we shud also, put the same criteria for madrissahs and alqaeda. after all, how much of their total percentage is involved in direct negetive actions???? 😆
Negative to whom?
Sigh, damn you are not making any sense for someone who keeps trying to take objective, logical stances.
Originally posted by BackFire
What's this argument of choice about? I'm lazy and don't want to go over the last several pages to be caught up. How about a recap?
Leo was saying some pornstars are exploited because they have no choice.
The dissenters said that there was a choice, do it or not.
I said that its not really a choice if you have to do it for fear of violence or need for money etc.
We all agreed the choice exists but has to be looked at in context.
Originally posted by Robtard
Something to do with porn actors and suicide victims not really having a choice in ****ing on cam and slitting their wrist.
Psh. I wish I could be a victim, then.
Oh, and for the record. That's bs, there is a choice. If it's not, then it's human trafficking and it's illegal.