Originally posted by BackFire
What's this argument of choice about? I'm lazy and don't want to go over the last several pages to be caught up. How about a recap?
Porn actors. Do they have a choice?
Is there a choice if you're threatened or forced to make one by circumstances? Does the previous generally apply to porn actors.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
hmmm, maybe we shud legalise selling kidneys and selling blood too now.
I initially missed responding to this little jewel, Leo.
People do sell blood at the blood bank, so be disgusted and offended at that.
I assume you're alright with people donating a kidney to someone else (then again, you seem to be against personal choices), so what is wrong with selling one if it is your own?
Is it on the same grounds that a woman can engage in an orgy if she isn't getting paid, but if she is, it's immoral and she's doing it out of desperation and she really has no say?
Originally posted by BackFireMade me laugh, but then I realized theres a decent chance you arent joking. Which made me laugh again.
What do I care if some pussy crybaby teens don't like porn, they're going to grow up to be repressed and angry and end up raping someone.If you don't watch porn, you're going to rape people.
If you watch porn, you're going to rape people. You'll just be better at it.
No one gives a shit if you don't like porn. Don't watch it then. My bestiality is ready. Oh yeah.
Originally posted by Robtard
I initially missed responding to this little jewel, Leo.People do sell blood at the blood bank, so be disgusted and offended at that.
I assume you're alright with people donating a kidney to someone else (then again, you seem to be against personal choices), so what is wrong with selling one if it is your own?
Is it on the same grounds that a woman can engage in an orgy if she isn't getting paid, but if she is, it's immoral and she's doing it out of desperation and she really has no say?
I'm sure selling organs in the UK is illegal. Not sure though, I imagine the premise might be that desperate people will be forced by their conditions into doing it or something...
Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Don't see why that should be an issue.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4719374.stm
From the article.
"Although illegal in most nations, and viewed as unethical by professional medical organisations, the voluntary sale of purchased donor kidneys now accounts for thousands of black market transplants."
But Dr Michael Wilks, chairman of the British Medical Association's ethics committee, said there was universal opinion against selling organs.
"It is exploitative, particularly for the third world, if you had an unfettered global market, and what is more it is not necessary.
"If we had more investment in transplantation services and intensive care and changed the law so we had presumed consent we could meet need."
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I'm sure selling organs in the UK is illegal. Not sure though, I imagine the premise might be that desperate people will be forced by their conditions into doing it or something...
I understand the premise, yet it is a fairly illogical premise. Desperate people are often forced to work in extremely unsafe conditions and for a pittence, yet the world doesn't care much about that, after all, the world does need it's cheap labor and cheap goods.
I was more pointing out yet another on Leo's extreme senseless conclusions comparing porn to torture or body harvesting.
Originally posted by Robtard
I understand the premise, yet it is a fairly illogical premise. Desperate people are often forced to work in extremely unsafe conditions and for a pittence, yet the world doesn't care much about that, after all, the world does need it's cheap labor and cheap goods.
Yes, but legislation trys to tackle this conditions, there are Health and Safety Laws, the Minimum Wage, Charities try to help sweatshop workers etc, so to say the world doesn't care much about it is untrue. Infact, allot of the work desperate people do is illegal. In the UK anyway.
Originally posted by Robtard
I was more pointing out yet another on Leo's extreme senseless conclusions comparing porn to torture or body harvesting.
I'm not sure of what Leo said so I can't comment on that. I was just discussing the body organ theme.
Originally posted by Robtard
I initially missed responding to this little jewel, Leo.People do sell blood at the blood bank, so be disgusted and offended at that.
I assume you're alright with people donating a kidney to someone else (then again, you seem to be against personal choices), so what is wrong with selling one if it is your own?
Is it on the same grounds that a woman can engage in an orgy if she isn't getting paid, but if she is, it's immoral and she's doing it out of desperation and she really has no say?
they dont sell, they DONATE. if you start putting prices on everything you increase greed by providing many many harmful choices to individuals. what if tomorrow selling any organ becomes legal, what if right now, a law is passed giving people the right to spend over a million dollars in a year after which they would be euthanised and their entire body stripped of parts to use for other patients. do you have any idea how tempting that would be to some people, do you really think society can survive when even the most precious things are on sale? people often sell kidneys for a little money that they hope will get them out of a rut and yet, in the majority, you see that the money is gone after a year and they are still poor. hey wait, maybe we should also start legalising people taking money to SELL off their kids into adoption, seeing as they dont WANT to take care of em and its their choice, after all, what BAD could adding a POSITIVE economic gift do to the whole situation, obviously im nuts here. basically, you are willing to put all blame on an individual pushed into a forced choice by being forced into a corner, and yet want NO blame placed on businesses and enterprise and industries which take advantage of EXACTLY this desperation to fuel its workforce needs.
yea, basically, your proving yourself an idiot to me.
Homeless people often "donate" blood in return for food, bartering is like "selling". Also of note, blood banks are considering actually paying people, due to shortages of certain blood types. So be ready to be outraged if that ever goes through.
More to the point, you're once again okay with someone giving something away for free, but if they happen to receive some sort of compensation for the SAME EXACT THING, then it's wrong, moronic that is.
Yet gain you're making idiotic leaps, conclusions, comparisons and generalizations. You've proved yourself to be an idiotic from your very first post in here and have done so consistently which each of your post, you have yet to substantiate a single claim; I'm not the only one calling you on this. Just saying.
Edit: People do sell plasma, which is a part of blood. So you can STFU now or continue making a fool out of yourself, it's becoming progressively more and more humorous.
^no you are calling, and it seems like a pretty empty claim seeing as AGAIN, you have not addressed the points made in the post you are replying too. its becoming a habit, and a very tiresome one. you have UTTERLY avoided answering the temptation point{which was the whole argument} which challenges the morality of industries based in exploiting the most desperate of people. oh NO, robtard's idiotic interpretation of CHOICE puts all things to rest doesnt it.
you are twistin my words, i am not referring to EVERYTHING for which you get paid, just the ones which are based on the most intimate of human values and posession which becomes troublesome and desperation and greed can make normal people make very harmful decisions IF that certain choice is presented to them in the said desperate situation. WHY do you think openly legalising euthanasia with no boundries is so contreversial, WHY do you think there is a BLACK market in organs {seeing as SELLING organs is illegal for the greater part and m argument is EXACTLY the reason why}. it is the same with selling blood, but it isnt the VIRTUE of paying for organs that is driving blood blanks to take such measure, it is the GREATER evil of not having enough blood for patients which is perhaps making such measures a necessary EVIL{point being, it IS still an EVIL}. and yes, i will always be sad for the negetivity such measures bring in, despite their positive results in other areas.
now for the last time, STOP with the personal insults, your making yourself look like a clown. either REBUTT my points, specifically and categorically with things other than your own silly oppinion{i.e. with logic} or dont bother posting, and if you do post another repeated rant as above, dont bother awaiting a reply.