Teens Against Pornography

Originally posted by Robtard
So is that like saying: "if we allow two men to marry, then we'll have to allow someone the right to marry a toaster"?

Like I said, your conclusions are idiotic. Sex and "extreme torture" are inherently different, surely you can see this? Which you have said you could, yet you continue with this retard-point.

errrr, you ARE retarted arent you. WHICH elements of marriage between two men are you paralelling by marrying a man to a toaster???? please elaborate, id really like to hear this.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There are people out there that voluntarily do things you would consider completely beyond the pale.

unless it threatens the livelyhood of others or includes severe damage to oneslef{i.e. suicide} then i have no objections, my only objection ever has been with SELLING yourself to do the said thing.

1. because it forfeits a lot of personal rights which you would have had you done the act for desire alone and not gotten paid for it

2. it encourages people who DONT wanna do the action/thing for personal desire to do it out of greed and sustainance that the money they get from it, provides.

both are important as we are referring to the most personal of things i.e. body/sexuality/freedom to leave/livelyhood.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
they both refer to things very personal and rather prised to humans{ofcurse sum less than others}

they both refer to people having no desire other than fulfilling of intrinsic personal and family survival needs, to give them up or sell them off.

they both refer to people in desperation being taken advantage of by providing greed and an explotive way OUT, which is willfully done by organisations and industries with people who created the negetive outlet when one didnt exist previously.

they both call out the morality of providing such negetive paths when they didnt exist previously.

THAT is where the parallel lies you fool.

Your "parallel" as you call it now, is still flawed and idiotic. As in the very being when you started with this nonsense, people in porn are not desperate wrecthes cornered into doing porn as a general rule.

So we've come full circle, your making blanket generalizations and using extremes to encompass the whole, good job.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^you SOLD blood???????? erm, where is that legal exactly?

You can sell sperm. What is so surprising?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
erm, u always use extemes to impress parallels or call out specific points in the oppositions arguments, the extremes merely help to elaborate the points by distinguishing the point of dissent from the wrest of the argument as the MAGNITUDE of the specific point is so much greater in the extreme and soo easily rrecogniseable to those who arent blind.

also, robtard doesnt seem to show any dissent even with the premises present in the EXTREMES i posted, often agreeing openly with parts or the entire whole of the extreme, including the torture example i gave before, which further elaborates where he is coming from, so i dont see any reason why youd call me out on this at all.

The reason I call you out is because it does not occur often enough (and you even said at one point "majority of porn actors/actresses"😉 to use it as a basis for rationale.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
errrr, you ARE retarted arent you. WHICH elements of marriage between two men are you paralelling by marrying a man to a toaster???? please elaborate, id really like to hear this.

Oddly, the same exact elements between a woman selling her sex on video and someone selling their body to be harvested (killed) or to be "extremely" tortured/maimed as you claimed. The answer is none.

See how idiotic your stance is now? Sadly, you won't.

Originally posted by Robtard
Your "parallel" as you call it now, is still flawed and idiotic. As in the very being when you started with this nonsense, people in porn are not desperate wrecthes cornered into doing porn as a general rule.

So we've come full circle, your making blanket generalizations and using extremes to encompass the whole, good job.

idiotic debating tactic 101, avoid the point at hand by reverting attention to a previous point which has been done for, rinse and repeat in following posts. im still waiting for you to draw a parallel between the two statements you gave. go on, im wating, or maybe i shud call you to answer my previous post, but i think you dont have the capacity.

Originally posted by chithappens
You can sell sperm. What is so surprising?

i wud say i have my reservations with selling sperm but they have nothing to do with the argument at hand. selling sperm does not in any way personally damage you physically or mentally or tell you to perform an emotionally significant act and be emotionally involved with another.

organs on the other hand, have lasting effects dont they, which is why i do not think your example invalidates my previous argument.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
idiotic debating tactic 101, avoid the point at hand by reverting attention to a previous point which has been done for, rinse and repeat in following posts. im still waiting for you to draw a parallel between the two statements you gave. go on, im wating, or maybe i shud call you to answer my previous post, but i think you dont have the capacity.

LoL... you brought the point back to the beginning, you complete fool.

"they both refer to people in desperation being taken advantage of by providing greed and an explotive way OUT"

As usual, you resort to crying that people aren't answering your points as an escape. Anyone following this debacle can see that.

Originally posted by Robtard
Oddly, the same exact elements between a woman selling her sex on video and someone selling their body to be harvested (killed) or to be "extremely" tortured/maimed as you claimed. The answer is none.

See how idiotic your stance is now? Sadly, you won't.

dont use reverse psychology and detract from the topic. i have given specific points on which the parallel rests. please give me yours concerning gay marriage and marriage to a toster or forfiet.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i wud say i have my reservations with selling sperm but they have nothing to do with the argument at hand. selling sperm does not in any way personally damage you physically or mentally or tell you to perform an emotionally significant act and be emotionally involved with another.

organs on the other hand, have lasting effects dont they, which is why i do not think your example invalidates my previous argument.

And selling sex (porn) doesn't intrinsically damage someone physically or emotionally, you ****ing moron.

Do you really think it does

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL... you brought the point back to the beginning, you complete fool.

"they both refer to people in desperation being taken advantage of by providing greed and an explotive way OUT"

As usual, you resort to crying that people aren't answering your points as an escape. Anyone following this debacle can see that.

insignificant, i am waiting for you to draw a parallel between the two statements you provided like i did.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

2. it encourages people who DONT wanna do the action/thing for personal desire to do it out of greed and sustainance that the money they get from it, provides.

That is an issue with the system of capitalism.

Sustainance and greed should not even be used in the same sentence because greed is basically "to have more to just to have it" and sustainance is "of necessity."

You are making this needlessly complex.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
dont use reverse psychology and detract from the topic. i have given specific points on which the parallel rests. please give me yours concerning gay marriage and marriage to a toster or forfiet.

LoL.

Your making a "parallel" between allowing people to sell their sex in porn and it somehow turning into people selling their lives away.

By that same train of thought, "if we allow two men to marry, then we'll have to allow someone to marry a toaster if they should want."

Originally posted by Robtard
And selling sex (porn) doesn't intrinsically damage someone physically or emotionally, you ****ing moron.

Do you really think it does

selling doesnt, buying doesnt, but making while taking money does compromise your position and power over your own material. buy and selling simply encourages and spreads the ideal of making, which is an indirect influence but not one that can be directly put blame on, although if it stops, the creation would too. but my reservation always has been about the industry which CREATES, if you can make porn with cgi or sumthing to the point that is EXACTLY like real porn, then i have no objections whatsoever. if you can understand my point.

Originally posted by chithappens
That is an issue with the system of capitalism.

Sustainance and greed should not even be used in the same sentence because greed is basically "to have more to just to have it" and sustainance is "of necessity."

You are making this needlessly complex.

no, they are both motivating factors, and the more motivating factors you have, the more you are likely to do the action even if reason and your emotions say otherwise. the PROBLEM here is that it isnt your economic capital or your pension or your house that is on the line, it is your body/your very livelyhood/and you basic rights to do as you please with your emotions and immediate body with no strings attached. that is what makes it a serious issue while others in capitalism may not be.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
[B]selling doesnt, buying doesnt, but making while taking money does compromise your position and power over your own material.B]

This also goes for:

music

television/script writing

athletics

anything else a "creative person" would make. there's just too much stuff to name.

i lose my dignity because i do what the public wants. 😆

what the hell are you not against?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
selling doesnt, buying doesnt, but making while taking money does compromise your position and power over your own material. buy and selling simply encourages and spreads the ideal of making, which is an indirect influence but not one that can be directly put blame on, although if it stops, the creation would too. but my reservation always has been about the industry which CREATES, if you can make porn with cgi or sumthing to the point that is EXACTLY like real porn, then i have no objections whatsoever. if you can understand my point.

No, it doesn't by default. If it does, then that same rational can be attributed to any industry. (edit: I see Chit made the same piont above as I was responding)

Why should the porn industry make only CGI porn (which I bet just happens to be your kink), when there are porn actors willing and happy to perform on camera for a paycheck.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
the PROBLEM here is that it isnt your economic capital or your pension or your house that is on the line, it is your body/your very livelyhood/and you basic rights to do as you please with your emotions and immediate body with no strings attached.

Now you are assuming everyone believes their body is a temple kinda thing. Not everyone cares. What do you say to those people? The more you say "Don't" the more they don't give a ****.

Originally posted by chithappens
Now you are assuming everyone believes their body is a temple kinda thing. Not everyone cares. What do you say to those people? The more you say "Don't" the more they don't give a ****.

More importantly, why is it his business.