leonheartmm
Senior Member
Originally posted by Robtard
You're making claims without any proof.As noted, women are higher paid then men in porn, women can make several thousand per scene, while make can only hope for a few hundred, some rare exceptions for men exist.
Not all porn is female submission. Some porn doesn't include women at all and some porn the women are dominant/in control.
Porn is consensual, the women are willingly performing and allowing themselves to be filmed.
What about women who engage in orgies, many multiple partners etc. just like in the porn industry, yet don't get paid because they do it for fun, are they also victims?
Seriously, if you don't like porn, don't watch it, even though you do despite your claimed disgust, and do stop with the unfounded illogical claims.
women are also higher paid in prostitution than men, does that mean they are RESPECTED????? that is a terrible argument. it is BECAUSE their "services" are so highly valued that they are pain more, and the more you pay, the more you own. also, since more people are hetrosexual, watching women piles in more bucks. doesnt mean they are treated well, also, since the majority of sex workers{even though i was referring to the general state of the entire sex industry, it still applies to pornography too} are women, the problem of male exploitation doesnt come up that much, but i am DEFINATELY not proposing that males are exploited, its just to a lesser degree than females. males in society are often more empowered and have more choices and are less thought of as TARGETS by predaters etc{also true for the porn set or television in general. it is a well known phenomenon of acctresses sleaping with producers/directors etc on film/show sets or recruiting to get roles. but how often have you heard of women sleaping with directors/producers to get a part, and seeing as quite a few higher ups in the business are women, its makes little sense unless we admit that the status of women in society has been made more velneurable and they are more targetted} . men also usually have the dominant role in pornography as opposed to femals{interestingly the dynamic changes in gay porn, where lots and lots of cases of male exploitation exist, due to the paradigm change in position of males being similar to females, just to impress my point}.
there is SOME porn where women are dominant, true, but this is in the absolute minority if you compare the amounts of both present and made.
prostituion is also concensual, marriage to mike tyson is also consensual, wearing the veil is also concensual, becoming a celibate nun is also consensual. yet all of these institutions are oppressive and exploitive. and CONSENT in your atypical{sorry, but ur giving the impression, no offence meant otherwise} libertarian perspective means the final choice, yet you dont take the unfairness leading up to the person making the choice into consideration. i mean, really, would a child choosing to strap on a belt of bombs and blowing himself up in a non muslim neighbourhood seem fine to you based on "the boy made a choice???" NO!, people are pushed into being in places where they take these roles when they dont WANT to.
as for women who engage in orgies etc, i think ive already discussed that in my last post, any women who wants to can do it, but she is WILLINGLKY doing it for no other reason than to please herself. and if she chnages her mind, she can WALK OUT as she pleases. however when youve been PAYED to do the same thing, you have effectively given up your rights to WALK OUT if you dont want to participate, and THAT is what im against. giving up your rights. that and the fact that 99% of women in the porn industry are not there for sexual pleasure.
i HAVE watched porn, on a few occasions out of curiosity, but that is about it. i dont have anything particulalry against WATCHING porn{other than perhaps feeding the porn industry}, its the industry ITSELF that i have sumthing against, i think i made it quite clear that the media depiction in ITSELF isnt what im against. as for the wrest, it just seems like YOU want porn and the sex industry to be around for personal likeness and arent worried enough about theconsequences of it to other people and try to rationalise it in a very idealistic setting so that you can keep enjoying it without feeling guilty. and just because i dont go aroudn posting charts of statistics with every darn post doesnt mean im lacking logic. it is a universal fact that the porn industry is one of the most exploitive in existance.