Teens Against Pornography

Originally posted by Robtard
"Your statements are illogical" -Mr. Spock

I especially found it hilarious that you attribute women who engage is promiscuous sex to be "doing it for themselves", while women being paid for the same thing aren't.

AS far as your "fact" of 99% of porn women are not there for pleasure... they're there for a paycheck, just like almost every other job.

Sure I like porn, what I don't do is make wild claims and accusations based on nothing but my own bias in regards to porn. Also, why should I fell guilty exactly for wathing porn? Should I feel guilty for throwing out garbage, since the garbage-man has the "dirty" job of picking it up?

by doing it for themselves, i mean using sex for its purpose, i.e. personal sexual pleasure, as opposed to financial benefit at the expence of basic human rights when you in bad financial shape. hmm, maybe we shud start legalising torture workers next, who get paid for willingly being tortured by the sadistic part of the richer population, its just a more extreme for of prositution after all and shud be ok by you since its a CHOICE.

99% was obviously blown up to try to make a point, that women in pornography are NOT their for the pleasure. do you really think every women is multi orgasimic and can cum about a hundred times a day and love it with multiple different men shoot after shoot on demand? for heaven's sake, theres sumthing called faking it! as for the paycheck part, ive already described how its a paycheck at the expence of basic human rights and how practically no1 would choose to be there if they cud find better ways to earn money.

really now, im the one making WILD claims????? seems like i havent heard you make a proper argument in oppositin to mine, or FOR pornography, your content trying to disprove mine, and i have rebutted that. and the garbage man;s personal human rights are not being given up for money or violated by him doing his job.

Teenagers should never be exposed to pornography....My god, look at the obesity of with drawl.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
by doing it for themselves, i mean using sex for its purpose, i.e. personal sexual pleasure, as opposed to financial benefit at the expence of basic human rights when you in bad financial shape. hmm, maybe we shud start legalising torture workers next, who get paid for willingly being tortured by the sadistic part of the richer population, its just a more extreme for of prositution after all and shud be ok by you since its a CHOICE.

99% was obviously blown up to try to make a point, that women in pornography are NOT their for the pleasure. do you really think every women is multi orgasimic and can cum about a hundred times a day and love it with multiple different men shoot after shoot on demand? for heaven's sake, theres sumthing called faking it! as for the paycheck part, ive already described how its a paycheck at the expence of basic human rights and how practically no1 would choose to be there if they cud find better ways to earn money.

really now, im the one making WILD claims????? seems like i havent heard you make a proper argument in oppositin to mine, or FOR pornography, your content trying to disprove mine, and i have rebutted that. and the garbage man;s personal human rights are not being given up for money or violated by him doing his job.

Again, you're making ridiculous unfounded blanket claims that porn performers are someone being denied "basic human rights". Absolutely ridiculous blanket statement.

Fake orgasms or real, that is irrelevant, they're doing it for the money and willfully doing it so. Again, they're not being paid to give up "basic human rights" as you claim. That statement is retarded.

You are, you're making blanket statements that insult logic. WTF... I haven't made one proper claim? How about these:

1) They're not being forced to do it (porn stars aren't unfortunate victims as a norm, fact)
2) They're making a living/getting paid, just like any other job.
3) People willfully watch porn.

Please do explain which "basic human rights" porn performers are giving up though? Which is odd, since if they're getting paid in the first place, they'd be willfully giving it up. If you want to give up your rights, that is a basic human right you do have, ergo, if anyone is denying people rights, it would be you.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
that and the fact that 99% of women in the porn industry are not there for sexual pleasure.

Originally posted by leonheartmm

99% was obviously blown up to try to make a point, that women in pornography are NOT their for the pleasure.

Just an FYI, if you're going to state something as "FACT", have proof to back it up and don't dismiss it in the following post, it makes one look like a stupid clown.

Who cares if they're there for pleasure? Do you sit in a cubical entering data all day for pleasure, or work in some warehouse? No, of course not, you do it for money, just like porn stars. I see no real difference between people selling their dignity and working in a job they hate, whether it involves f*cking someone in front of a camera or working at the checkouts at a supermarket, it's all the same.

The difference to Leonheartmm, he might need/benefit from someone entering data, working a warehouse or checking out groceries, while porn does nothing for him, even though he watches it.

oh.my.god

"my dad's taken my bedroom door off its hinges to help me avoid sinning behind closed doors.

now i can't because i haven't got a door.

as i've got three sisters this was highly embarrassing trying to explain why i no longer have a door - but they're very understanding about it and supportive too.

i think it's worth trading a bit of privacy for.

of course, i could still do `it` if i was determined but it definitely acts as a deterrent knowing that people could walk past any time and see inside."

Originally posted by allofyousuckkk
oh.my.god

"my dad's taken my bedroom door off its hinges to help me avoid sinning behind closed doors.

now i can't because i haven't got a door.

as i've got three sisters this was highly embarrassing trying to explain why i no longer have a door - but they're very understanding about it and supportive too.

i think it's worth trading a bit of privacy for.

Your family is full of very sick people.

Originally posted by allofyousuckkk
of course, i could still do `it` if i was determined but it definitely acts as a deterrent knowing that people could walk past any time and see inside."

Not to me. I had a very large blanket and took drama.

Hell, one time my mother walked in so I opened up Yahoo and started writing a letter to my pastor. I tried the "hey look at that" thing on my grandfather once. Didn't work but he was cool about it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

Not to me. I had a very large blanket and took drama.

Hell, one time my mother walked in so I opened up Yahoo and started writing a letter to my pastor. I tried the "hey look at that" thing on my grandfather once. Didn't work but he was cool about it.

So in essense, you started writing a letter to your pastor while you had a tent-pole going in your shorts. Sick.

Originally posted by Robtard
So in essense, you started writing a letter to your pastor while you had a tent-pole going in your shorts. Sick.

Yeah . . .

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, you're making ridiculous unfounded blanket claims that porn performers are someone being denied "basic human rights". Absolutely ridiculous blanket statement.

Fake orgasms or real, that is irrelevant, they're doing it for the money and willfully doing it so. Again, they're not being paid to give up "basic human rights" as you claim. That statement is retarded.

You are, you're making blanket statements that insult logic. WTF... I haven't made one proper claim? How about these:

1) They're not being forced to do it (porn stars aren't unfortunate victims as a norm, fact)
2) They're making a living/getting paid, just like any other job.
3) People willfully watch porn.

Please do explain which "basic human rights" porn performers are giving up though? Which is odd, since if they're getting paid in the first place, they'd be willfully giving it up. If you want to give up your rights, that is a basic human right you do have, ergo, if anyone is denying people rights, it would be you.

hate to say it, but i have already replied to all of this. restating doesnt make too much of a difference. if you dont like my reply, then far be it for me to convince you otherwise, but you dont seem to have adequately rebutted point by point as i have, also giving parables to make my point of view easier to understand.

really, i think your reason for not agreeing with me is simply your personal affinity for porn perhaps. but hey thats me. also, given that those are your views, i will repeat my old question. would you be ok then, with people selling their bodies for torture to the sadistic part of the richer population? since all the arguments you are making apply to this situation as well?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
really, i think your reason for not agreeing with me is simply your personal affinity for porn perhaps. but hey thats me. also, given that those are your views, i will repeat my old question. would you be ok then, with people selling their bodies for torture to the sadistic part of the richer population? since all the arguments you are making apply to this situation as well?

Strawman. A poor one at that.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
hate to say it, but i have already replied to all of this. restating doesnt make too much of a difference. if you dont like my reply, then far be it for me to convince you otherwise, but you dont seem to have adequately rebutted point by point as i have, also giving parables to make my point of view easier to understand.

really, i think your reason for not agreeing with me is simply your personal affinity for porn perhaps. but hey thats me. also, given that those are your views, i will repeat my old question. would you be ok then, with people selling their bodies for torture to the sadistic part of the richer population? since all the arguments you are making apply to this situation as well?

Nice, you ignore valid objective points I've made and just cross your arms, stamp your feet and say "I'm right, you're wrong, it's your fault you can't see it." All you're done is make illogical blanket claims that you can't substanciate.

I watch porn, I'm not addicted to it, I don't happen to watch gay, she-male, midget, granny or toilet porn, yet I'm not against that either. I also don't **** prostitutes, yet I'm not against that either. So if anyone is being bias, it's most likely you, as you've adamantly admitted your disgust for porn, despite watching it, odd.

People do pay to be (or do) beaten, burned and cut; it's called S&M, so your point is pointless, yet again.

Edit: I'm still waiting for you to name these "basic human rights" that paid porn actors are being denied.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nice, you ignore valid objective points I've made and just cross your arms, stamp your feet and say "I'm right, you're wrong, it's your fault you can't see it." All you're done is make illogical blanket claims that you can't substanciate.

I watch porn, I'm not addicted to it, I don't happen to watch gay, she-male, midget, granny or toilet porn, yet I'm not against that either. I also don't **** prostitutes, yet I'm not against that either. So if anyone is being bias, it's you, as you've adamantly admitted your disgust for porn, despite watching it, odd.

People do pay to be (or do) beaten, burned and cut; it's called S&M, so your point is pointless, yet again.

Edit: I'm still waiting for you to name these "basic human rights" that paid porn actors are being denied.

sigh. your reply to everything is that "i" am making unfounded statement, yet you dont say which parts are unfounded. you reposted the exact points i dealt with in my last post yet you cudnt categorically point out where i was going wrong. im not in the mood to repeat myself, if any of your points were VALID{as they were in your first and second post to which, if ull notice, i actually took the time to write rather lengthy replies} i wud definately post proper replies again, but if it is merely an argument based in personal oppinion and brushing away opposing arguments then i see no reason to indulge you further.

as for SnM , i am quite aware of what it is, and yet i wasnt referring to leather and razer blades and probes, i was referring to TORTURE, since you have so mich confidence in the arguments you were posting, hardcore, extreme torture. all of my arguments and consecutively, your rebuttals apply to that as it happens. so would you be OK with people giving their bodies up for torture NOT for the pleasure of it, but to earn MONEY{in your own words "its just like ANY job"} ? please answer. {and i have already described the basic human rights i was referring to, re read my posts please}.

You've done nothing but make blanket claims, like I said, name these "basic human rights" which you claim porn performers are being denied, then I can respond directly.

Edit: E.G. Freedom of expression, are they denied that, if so, how? Etc.

I'm curious as to what human rights one gives up when they decide to be paid for being in porn.

I'm also curious about this entire mindset that being in a porn means you're selling your dignity and have no self-respect. Personally? I'd think that it'd require a hell of a lot of self-respect, because you'd have to be very comfortable and confident with yourself for that sort of thing...

This entire argument is so stupid. Some people choose (this is a key word - they are not forced, they decide to do it) to do porn. They are generally paid very well for it. It's ultimately just a job. One that some people do simply because they DO enjoy it. Not to mention, the money's good.

Relating sex workers to torture...that's just ridiculous. Get a grip.

repeating myself{i didnt want to as alone, it wudnt be taken the same as if it were in the context i was initially talking}. those rights would be to do with your body and mind as you wud please. which MEANS, waling off in the middle of a session of rough orgy if you feal like it. when you take MONEY for sex/being shot, you effectively FORFEIT the right to leave or any real say in the act your about to perform, so reguardless of how much you may dislike it{and most people in the sex industry would elaborate on how much they wud rather be doing sumthing else}. you can not WALK OFF, in the middl of sex if your a hooker whose being payed, you can NOT walk off in the middle of an orgy when shooting simply because you dont like it, you can NOT tell a guy to take it easy on you if your having physical or emotional pain, THAT is what basic rights means. your most basic of rights to do with your immediate physical body and your basic emotional state as you please and not have others intrude upon it. it isnt like a garbage man. as a garbage man, reguardless of the unpleasantness of his job, isnt contracted to expose his physical body/sexual self/the ensuing emotional backlash to his job. infact sex workers would be the only ones who have that problem{or perhaps soldiers to some extent in some part}. therefore your parallel doesnt WORK, and my ensuing request of your views on torture in similar JOB LIKE setting{taking your words} for money.

also, you still havent replied{well you havent replied adequately to anything really, not an insult, just a fact} to my query concerning your ignorance of all the facotors leading UPTO people making the choice to be in the sex industry out of necessity , and most not wanting to remain there if they had an alternative.

and now, i really wont indulge you further unless you post adequate rebuttals.

Where on earth have you come up with this idea that just because someone is being paid to be in porn, they give up the right to have any say in what they're going to do? That they can't ask to stop or slow down if they're not comfortable with what they're doing?

I mean, really, I want to know where you've come up with that and if you have anything to actually back it up. Because I have the feeling that if that was the case, there wouldn't be nearly as many people in porn as there are.

Try actually coming up with some sources for your claims instead of just pulling them out of nowhere. It's very hard to take anything you're saying seriously.

^ 1. you are talking about the public aspect of the pornography industry in america, this is no more representative of the actual points of view of its workers as the interviews in making the video are representative of the lives of video hoes. reality is quite different from PR im afraid, the porn industry isnt as clean as you think it is even in america
2. not all porn is american made, and you wud be horrified if you first hand went to half the places in the world where it is made outside america.
3. please read the older arguments i made to get a sense of what im saying. i apologise for not being the most clear or lucid of posters, i just think better than i type and am not that great on spellings.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
repeating myself{i didnt want to as alone, it wudnt be taken the same as if it were in the context i was initially talking}. those rights would be to do with your body and mind as you wud please. which MEANS, waling off in the middle of a session of rough orgy if you feal like it. when you take MONEY for sex/being shot, you effectively FORFEIT the right to leave or any real say in the act your about to perform, so reguardless of how much you may dislike it{and most people in the sex industry would elaborate on how much they wud rather be doing sumthing else}. you can not WALK OFF, in the middl of sex if your a hooker whose being payed, you can NOT walk off in the middle of an orgy when shooting simply because you dont like it, you can NOT tell a guy to take it easy on you if your having physical or emotional pain, THAT is what basic rights means. your most basic of rights to do with your immediate physical body and your basic emotional state as you please and not have others intrude upon it. it isnt like a garbage man. as a garbage man, reguardless of the unpleasantness of his job, isnt contracted to expose his physical body/sexual self/the ensuing emotional backlash to his job. infact sex workers would be the only ones who have that problem{or perhaps soldiers to some extent in some part}. therefore your parallel doesnt WORK, and my ensuing request of your views on torture in similar JOB LIKE setting{taking your words} for money.

also, you still havent replied{well you havent replied adequately to anything really, not an insult, just a fact} to my query concerning your ignorance of all the facotors leading UPTO people making the choice to be in the sex industry out of necessity , and most not wanting to remain there if they had an alternative.

and now, i really wont indulge you further unless you post adequate rebuttals.

Actually, porn actors can call for breaks and they can walk off a shoot, sure they may/won't get paid for it, but no one is forcing them to stay against their will. Similar in how a factory worker, accountant, teacher etc. etc. etc. can leave their job if he/she is displeased. Again, this is just another unfounded blanket claim of yours.

Oh, where are those "basic human rights" being denied you spoke of? Can you not name even one?