Originally posted by leonheartmm
right right, my bad, most pornstars have always had being in the porn business as theu DREAM career, how idiotic of me.
"Oh Boy, when I grow up I sure want to be a garbage man" - "Really? I always dreamt of spending my live in a cubicle, checking insurance claims" - "You guys are all nuts, my dream is, to one day, drive around town in a truck selling frozen goods to housewives".
Right.
Originally posted by Robtard
FFS... We've all rebutted every single illogical point you've made point for point. You simply refuse to see that you're making blanket claims without any proof."Porn actors are desperate victims"
"Porn women can't walk off a shoot, they're trapped"
"No one really wants to be a porn actor"
"99% of the women don't enjoy the porn sex"
"Porn actors are being denied basic human rights"
"Women shouldn't engage in orgies, unless they're not being paid, then it's fine"Those are only a few of the generalizations you've tried to pass off as fact, despite not having a shred of proof that anything you claim is a norm.
1 word, LIE 🙂
Originally posted by Bardock42
"Oh Boy, when I grow up I sure want to be a garbage man" - "Really? I always dreamt of spending my live in a cubicle, checking insurance claims" - "You guys are all nuts, my dream is, to one day, drive around town in a truck selling frozen goods to housewives".Right.
lol, and IM making blanket statements??????? if you are willingly leaving out the context{i.e. the post to which this was a REPLY to!} then ofcourse its gonna seem like a blanket statement. again, give proper rebuttals or consider mouthing off sumwhere else.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
1 word, LIE 🙂
Are you claiming I am lying? If so, please show me.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
whats the point, seeing as were going around in circles and he isnt answering my points directly.
I've answered every single one of your questions, as has everyone else. I assume you're still on about the "torture" bit. It's a stupid question, you have even agreed that sex and torture are two entirely different things, you're comparing apples to bagels.
But honestly, if someone wants to willingly sell themselevs for torture, there shouldn't be a problem, they're willingly agreeing to it. And as I pointed out, people already do, S&M can be like torture. Whipping, bleeding, kicking, burning, stepping of genitals etc. etc. etc.
So, now that I've answered your question yet again, please do show your proof for all the idiotic blanket claims you've made about the porn industry. You can begin with the "denial of basic human rights".
Edit: What you're doing is taking a smaller negative in the porn industry, like pedophillia or other coerced porn and blanketing it across and saying "it's all bad, it's all the same". That could be down with almost any industry. Are you goign to shut-down every clothes manufacturer because another is using sweatshop pratices?
Originally posted by Robtard
That's just Leo's standard response when he can't back-up what he claims. He starts doing the *sigh* thing and claims others are being elusive/dishonest.
You can't blame him for refusing to hit his head against a brick wall...
Originally posted by chithappens
My first time seeing it. It's pretty sad.
Are you his cheerleader?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_GavAre you his cheerleader?
Leo has been very, very idiotic in each post. He has not stated one fact, given one link for proof of claims about psychology of all, and claiming that "you haven't seen all porn so you can't so it is not degragtory" is a stupid claim.
That's like me saying all hip hop artists call each other ******! You could say that but there is certainly an exception, same as there are certainly things each of us could find and be morally against concerning porn.
It's a dumb blanket statement and he continued to make many of these irrational claims throughout his rants.
untrue, again. sorry, i simply wasnt in the mood to continue the discussion unlike most other times. way i see it, ill post interviews of hookers/ex pornstars /music video hoes, ull simply deny saying that one person doesnt account for the whole industry, ill post links between the underworld and the porn industry, ull brush em off again as not part of a study significant enough or scientific enough for you to consider, ill simply ask you straigh out how many initially well off people you are aware of that went straight for the porn industry, youll brush it off too as not relevant or take another stance and say it is a job either way, for rich or poor, ill ask you how many people want to actively stay in the porn industry, you will bring up the example of the garbage man and others who dont wanna stay in their jobs, ill bring up pedophelia/rape/human traficking, ull brush it aside as an illegal MINORITY of the business, ill try to post some evidence linking the RESPECTABLE LAW ABIDING AMERICAN PORN MAKERS with the much shadier portion of the worldwide underworld which is very very exploitive and illegal, and you ll still find some way to bruch it aside or ask for more sources on each specific thing to the point where i can not come up with any more as there things arent as well studied as usual sociological phenomenon.
but seeing as youve already admitted that extreme torture for pay, even if the person doesnt like to be tortured or doesnt want to be but wants some money any way they can, is OK, then i really dont see any point of continuing this conversation as you dont even subscribe to the basic empathetic instincts of humans. maybe if your 5 year old kids wants to have unprotected sex, ull let em do that too having such blind faith in people's FREEDOM to choose. irrespective of the social setting favouring that choice. heck ur not even considering that person's PREFERENCE in the choice, only looking at the final decision, irrespective of whether it was personal wishes, or the person being desperate that motivated it. hmmm, maybe we shud legalise selling kidneys and selling blood too now.
now go ahead and brush my entire post aside in some general sweeping statement about my credibility.
basically, i dont debate unless both sides are actually LISTENING to the arguments. its aa waste of time as ive seen. your hellbent on your point of view and that is fine. but please keep the personal opposition to a minimum, it is distasteful.
Originally posted by chithappens
Leo has been very, very idiotic in each post. He has not stated one fact, given one link for proof of claims about psychology of all, and claiming that "you haven't seen all porn so you can't so it is not degragtory" is a stupid claim.That's like me saying all hip hop artists call each other ******! You could say that but there is certainly an exception, same as there are certainly things each of us could find and be morally against concerning porn.
It's a dumb blanket statement and he continued to make many of these irrational claims throughout his rants.
You however havn't contributed to this debate at all have you...
Originally posted by chithappens
How could you possibly prove that most porn actors/actresses are in a poor economic situation?Now you are assuming that men only do it for pleasure. That is a sexist assumption.
Have you ever heard of "Superhead" aka Karen Steffans? She willing put herself out to have sex with lots of hip hop artists and then wrote a book about it "exposing" loads on their personal life, etc. She says in the book (which I have read part of) that she is doing for money. If she wants to just do it for money, then that is her decision.
It doesn't even matter if circumstance "forced" her into it. That is an issue to discuss among sociologists and to rally around and tell people to talk about classism. Regardless, that is her decision. You should deal with the root of the problem rather than focus on the effect.
And no one thinks all women all "multi orgasmic" but most PEOPLE are not that way. I'm all for supporting women and trying to gain some equal ground on issues that need to be discussed, but damn you come off like the same scum you suggest men are in this case.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
untrue, again. sorry, i simply wasnt in the mood to continue the discussion unlike most other times. way i see it, ill post interviews of hookers/ex pornstars /music video hoes, ull simply deny saying that one person doesnt account for the whole industry, ill post links between the underworld and the porn industry, ull brush em off again as not part of a study significant enough or scientific enough for you to consider, ill simply ask you straigh out how many initially well off people you are aware of that went straight for the porn industry, youll brush it off too as not relevant or take another stance and say it is a job either way, for rich or poor, ill ask you how many people want to actively stay in the porn industry, you will bring up the example of the garbage man and others who dont wanna stay in their jobs, ill bring up pedophelia/rape/human traficking, ull brush it aside as an illegal MINORITY of the business, ill try to post some evidence linking the RESPECTABLE LAW ABIDING AMERICAN PORN MAKERS with the much shadier portion of the worldwide underworld which is very very exploitive and illegal, and you ll still find some way to bruch it aside or ask for more sources on each specific thing to the point where i can not come up with any more as there things arent as well studied as usual sociological phenomenon.but seeing as youve already admitted that extreme torture for pay, even if the person doesnt like to be tortured or doesnt want to be but wants some money any way they can, is OK, then i really dont see any point of continuing this conversation as you dont even subscribe to the basic empathetic instincts of humans. maybe if your 5 year old kids wants to have unprotected sex, ull let em do that too having such blind faith in people's FREEDOM to choose. irrespective of the social setting favouring that choice. heck ur not even considering that person's PREFERENCE in the choice, only looking at the final decision, irrespective of whether it was personal wishes, or the person being desperate that motivated it. hmmm, maybe we shud legalise selling kidneys and selling blood too now.
now go ahead and brush my entire post aside in some general sweeping statement about my credibility.
basically, i dont debate unless both sides are actually LISTENING to the arguments. its aa waste of time as ive seen. your hellbent on your point of view and that is fine. but please keep the personal opposition to a minimum, it is distasteful.
Your first paragraph as Chilly pointed out, you're arguing with yourself, which is hilarious. If you wish to bring out your proof of porn actors saying how horrible it was and they were forced, I can factually bring more that say they got into it for the money, they love it and have no intention of quitting. So in essense, this boils don't to a debate of reason, and it's reasonable to assume that if people are willfully doing something, they're not being forced.
There you go yet again, you're now comparing "extreme torture" with sex (before it was jsut torture), when there is NO comparison, you even admitted that you acknowledge the difference a page or two back.
Now you're bringing in children as a comparison, you fail to realize that porn is for the most part, between CONSENTING ADULTS, which is the main point, they're CONSENTING TO IT, besides sex not being like "extreme torture."
As typical, you yet again avoid bringing in any proof, just make wild claims, blanket generalizations and rather idiotic conclusional leaps.
Not that I think you'll respond to the point, but what about those "denied basic human rights" you've claimed, can you not even substantiate one claim?