Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because the fight with Odin didn't near its conclusion. It was interrupted. Once again, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Galactus pretty much hasn't backed down from anybody. Not Abraxas, not THOTU Thanos, not Secret Wars Beyonder, not Chaos King, yet he mentioned some trepidation when dealing with Tyrant of all people. So what? Him not expressing trepidation when facing Abraxas, THOTU Thanos, Beyonder or Chaos King somehow means Tyrant was superior to them? No. Unless you're retarded. That's why absence of evidence (in our issue, admissions of clear superiority by Thanos to Odin) means sh1t. Get it through your head. Try focusing on the evidence we do have: Tyrant got toppled by Thanos, Odin didn't. Odin one-shotted Surfer and Drax, Tyrant didn't one-shot Surfer, Gladiator, etc.

And y'know what? You really want to focus on character statements? Take this statement from a Thanosi's own mouth about how that fight turned out:

I forgot all about that scan. 👆

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
1) That on panel statement (which I believe is hyperbole) is contradicted by the fact that Odin had Thanos in a position where he could have killed him...the fact that Odin took no action against Thanos during that time is proof enough for me that Odin did not want Thanos dead.

Even if the attack wouldnt have killed Thanos, I would have been convinced that Odin wanted him dead if he had taken action against Thanos when he had him down...

2) It took Thanos 7 panels to simply stagger to his feet; IMHO, that means Thanos was helpless and vulnerable against a foe of Odins caliber...

I guess we agree to disagree here...

3) Odin never thought Thanos dead; he was talking to him (and Thanos responded) after the big ball of energy that brought Thanos to his knees....

So basically your response amounted to.. nuh uh it didn't happen cause I don't like it... Sorry but that isn't good enough... I'll ask again..

1. On the forum.. which carries more weight... on panel narration... or your speculation about a scene?

2. Do you have ANY proof that Thanos couldn't have teleported out of the way and was dazed and unable to do so? Because all you said is you believe he couldn't.. again that isn't good enough.. I'm asking for proof not speculation.

3. Do you concede that.. it makes sense to take your time in getting up if there is no reason to hurry.. just like you would do in real life.. but if somebody approaches you and isn't giving you that chance.. you can react to it?

4. You must also admit that just because you talk and speak when you could press your advantage doesn't mean you don't want to hurt, ko or kill somebody. Have you ever been in a fight? In the fights I have.. I've messed around and had somebody down and just stood back and talked shit to them or people around.... Not because I didn't want to finish right there but because I was enjoying the moment, I knew I had the advantage and was confident it would continue to be so and lastly to drag it out longer and teach them a lesson. All reason in real life and in comics these speechs happen.. but that doesn't mean Odin nor I didn't want to put somebody down or take them out... Just how things go.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because the fight with Odin didn't near its conclusion. It was interrupted. Once again, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Galactus pretty much hasn't backed down from anybody. Not Abraxas, not THOTU Thanos, not Secret Wars Beyonder, not Chaos King, yet he mentioned some trepidation when dealing with Tyrant of all people. So what? Him not expressing trepidation when facing Abraxas, THOTU Thanos, Beyonder or Chaos King somehow means Tyrant was superior to them? No. Unless you're retarded. That's why absence of evidence (in our issue, admissions of clear superiority by Thanos to Odin) means sh1t. Get it through your head. Try focusing on the evidence we do have: Tyrant got toppled by Thanos, Odin didn't. Odin one-shotted Surfer and Drax, Tyrant didn't one-shot Surfer, Gladiator, etc.

And y'know what? You really want to focus on character statements? Take this statement from a Thanosi's own mouth about how that fight turned out:

You do understand what absence of evidence is right? These aren't things not in evidence, in fact, they are IN evidence....

1. Tyrant was made in galactus image to be his equal
2. Their first fight was a long long drawn out affair that Galactus had to work for.
3. Tyrant was depowered and went into hiding
4. He spent the vast majority of time in hiding regaining the power that Galactus took from him.
5. When he was at the HEIGHT of his powers he was now ready to challenge him again
6. Galactus (pissed) find Tyrant with his herald.. and lets him take him because he doesn't want Galaxies destroyed. He backed down from battle with Tyrant
7. Before they meet he decides to feed and prep before battle because he was facing a foe of high calibur
8. Surfer.. said.. I must hurry before they both Destroy eachother (surfer has felt both of their powers)

Those are all evidence in hand.. not absence of evidence.. Here is the other evidence we have that is verified....

1. Thanos was amped and prepped to face Tyrant
2. Thanos wasn't even looking for a fight with Odin, but his help
3. Tyrant put away Thanos i.e. admit he would be defeated and leave much quicker than Odin was able to.
4. Thanos admitted Tyrant would kill him in a much quicker period of time when asked only once. This was a prepped and amped Thanos.
5. Thanos was asked many more times to admit defeat and that he was outclassed.. against a non prepped and amped Thanos.. Thanos never once said a thing about it nor conceded that to be true.

These are all the things IN evidence not absent of evidence. You're the only relying on absence of evidence in saying.. Oooo well just cause he didn't feed before he fought Odin.. doesn't mean he shouldn't have or didn't want to... nor does it mean Tyrant is more powerful cause Galactus did for him. Then you go... ooo just cause Thanos didn't concede to Odin like he did Tyrant doesn't mean thanos didn't know he was defeated and had no chance... YOU are the one relying on absence of evidence not me. All the things I listed are all ON PANEL NARRATION AN FACTS IN EVIDENCE.

Lastly, I find it amusing you showed that scan, cause in that case, I'll point out... Odin never finished off Thanos or had him at his mercy... On the contrary.. a Thanosi had Odin at his mercy with the greatest of ease.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

Surfer.. said.. I must hurry before they both Destroy eachother (surfer has felt both of their powers)

Silver Surfer (speaking of Galactus) : My Power Cosmic senses his distress, his pain, and most unlike him, something akin to fear.

Galactus was basically sh|tting his pants because of "DP" Tyrant, yet had no fear vs Odin and all Asgard.

Using emotions such as fear as actual evidence when they weren't used as a direct comparison is a very slippery slope.

Ex: Odin fled Midgard when the Serpent rose and seems to fear him to some extent. Odin met Galactus head on and basically told him to go f*ck himself. Ergo, if the Serpent headbutts Galactus, he'd decapitate him.

Flawed logic is flawed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Using emotions such as fear as actual evidence when they weren't used as a direct comparison is a very slippery slope.

Ex: Odin fled Midgard when the Serpent rose and seems to fear him to some extent. Odin met Galactus head on and was straight up boasting during the fight. Ergo, if the Serpent headbutts Galactus, he'd decapitate him.

But as we've seen, Galactus will reform and the Serpent will be in a mini coma.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

What's there to even debate at this point?

Everyone and their mother knows Thanos was getting his ass handed to him. The only individuals who refuse to admit that he was losing and clearly would have lost are the members of the Thanos club or posters who has some agenda.

Just a waste of time.

Originally posted by zopzop
But as we've seen, Galactus will reform and the Serpent will be in a mini coma.

Galactus would be deader than dead unfortunately. And if he reforms, the Serpent will simply headbutt him again.

I also love how drastically your tune has changed so quickly just because Odin didn't beat Galactus.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Galactus would be deader than dead unfortunately. And if he reforms, the Serpent will simply headbutt him again.

I also love how drastically your tune has changed so quickly just because Odin didn't beat Galactus.

I was joking, Jesus.

Have you forgotten that in the Odin/Galactus thread, I even told the G fanboys that Odin and Galactus were in an eternal stalemate and that's why Odin broke it off and entered the Destroyer. 🙄

Originally posted by zopzop
I was joking, Jesus.

Have you forgotten that in the Odin/Galactus thread, I even told the G fanboys that Odin and Galactus were in an eternal stalemate and that's why Odin broke it off and entered the Destroyer. 🙄

...........

I was obviously joking too.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's there to even debate at this point?

Everyone and their mother knows Thanos was getting his ass handed to him. The only individuals who refuse to admit that he was losing and clearly would have lost are the members of the Thanos club or posters who has some agenda.

Just a waste of time.

I hope this isn't referring to me, because at no ponit have he said he wsn't losing or on the shorter end of the stick. Nor have I ever questioned Odin superiority in power over thanos.. Whether it be slight or significant is for each person to decide not whether it exists.. which it does.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Thanos "stalemating" Odin has got to be one of the greatest perpetual myths on the forums.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What's there to even debate at this point?

Everyone and their mother knows Thanos was getting his ass handed to him. The only individuals who refuse to admit that he was losing and clearly would have lost are the members of the Thanos club or posters who has some agenda.

Just a waste of time.

Originally posted by Galan007
This made me chuckle. Thanos literally admits defeat at the hands of Odin- what more proof do we need that he lost?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thanos "stalemating" Odin has got to be one of the greatest perpetual myths on the forums.

It's just that person being dumb and getting slapped down.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I forgot all about that scan. 👆

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's a clone and we see on panel backed by a bio the fight end in a standstill.

Quan, was it really a clone? Because if so, then that scan is meaningless.

It was a Thanosi who realized that Odin kicked Thanos' ass. From the publishing standpoint at the time, it was for all intents and purposes Thanos (until Starlin came in to change it).

The Thanosi believes Odin beat Thanos. What is there to argue?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It was a Thanosi who realized that Odin kicked Thanos' ass. From the publishing standpoint at the time, it was for all intents and purposes Thanos (until Starlin came in to change it).

The Thanosi believes Odin beat Thanos. What is there to argue?

Uhm it's a clone and not the real thing, there's plenty to argue. If it was the REAL Thanos, you'd have a point. But it's a freaking clone for heaven's sake. 🙄

It was retconned to be a clone but that's not the point. If nothing else, it had all of Thanos memories IIRC and it's word even after the retcon carries weight.

The bottom line? Thanos was losing, badly, and would have been eliminated if the fight had not been interrupted.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bs. All dialogue in the actual comic actually grossly misrepresents how you view it. It's funny how a huge Thor fan says Thanos fans have an agenda like you don't have one as well.

I might be biased towards Odin and Thor but your straight up delusional.