Originally posted by Silent MasterYes,Thanos was well prepared for tyrant whereas in the Odin battle it just sort of happened. Thanos had a power source which he used as a weapon against Tyrant while Odin did less damage against Thanos with no power source and he was unprepared. Tyrant wins.
I love how you basically just made my point for me and I don't even have to break my word about debating you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos left the Tyrant fight while he stayed and took Odins best and was fine. He prepped for Tyrant and had a weapon an dlooked far worse than after his battle with Odin.Dont ignore these factors.
I'm not ignoring these factors, but you seem to be content with ignoring the fact that Thanos left the battle against Tyrant because he had accomplished his goal. He even states that further battle is pointless. You also ignore that Thanos was struggling to stand up after Odin gave him the chance to give up. Thanos had no such problem against Tyrant.
Like I've said before, the only prep he had for Tyrant was knowing his history with Galactus. That means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to an actual battle.
Try taking your own advice.
Originally posted by quanchi112
i said surfer said they were going to destroy each other. They are in the same league. Thats my point. Speculating on fear isnt needed here as we saw Tyrant whoop on him.
What we saw was Tyrant get treated like a child until Galactus got tired of him and made the mistake of using his tech (something that was horribly bad writing because we've seen Galactus drain Tyrant without tech before).
Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm not ignoring these factors, but you seem to be content with ignoring the fact that Thanos left the battle against Tyrant because he had accomplished his goal. He even states that further battle is pointless. You also ignore that Thanos was struggling to stand up after Odin gave him the chance to give up. Thanos had no such problem against Tyrant.Like I've said before, the only prep he had for Tyrant was knowing his history with Galactus. That means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to an actual battle.
Try taking your own advice.
When Tyrant saw that Thanos was still alive he was about to get serious and kill him. Thanos then acknowledged that (didn't happen vs. Odin). Then he fled with the orb. Thanos's costume was ripped up (the only other time i remember other than vs. Odin) but in a much shorter time. On top of that Thanos's prep was using one of his own power orbs.
He shoulda had one vs. Odin. He mighta pulled it off.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
What we saw was Tyrant get treated like a child until Galactus got tired of him and made the mistake of using his tech (something that was horribly bad writing because we've seen Galactus drain Tyrant without tech before).
You call Tyrant countering everyting Galactus tried being treated like a child? 😐 Galactus didn't get tired. He was running out of options. And Tyrant mentioned how his body has adapted to be able to absorb energy, create bodies and bend any tech (including Big G's ship) to his will so no it's not bad writing.
No doubt DP Tyrant wins this. I completely forgot that Odin was a joke to a Celestial. Compare Odin to what he was to a Celestial and Tyrant against ''fed'' Galactus. Not that Tyrant was a joke, but he had Galactus on the ropes. And Galactus never took Tyrant as a joke, but as an worthy adversary.
Tyrant smites him.
Originally posted by Sundipped
You call Tyrant countering everyting Galactus tried being treated like a child? 😐 Galactus didn't get tired. He was running out of options. And Tyrant mentioned how his body has adapted to be able to absorb energy, create bodies and bend any tech (including Big G's ship) to his will so no it's not bad writing.
Well one could say that, because when Morg showed up with the UN Tyrant was powerless to disassemple it, Galactus could have done it but he didn't dare at such a depowered State.
So Tyrant can overwrite Galactus command over his ship but cannot disassemble the UN but Galactus can do it. That can be looked of, as bad writing...
Originally posted by Sundipped
When Tyrant saw that Thanos was still alive he was about to get serious and kill him. Thanos then acknowledged that (didn't happen vs. Odin). Then he fled with the orb. Thanos's costume was ripped up (the only other time i remember other than vs. Odin) but in a much shorter time. On top of that Thanos's prep was using one of his own power orbs.He shoulda had one vs. Odin. He mighta pulled it off.
Tyrant was already serious. He was upset that Thanos had the gall to face him just as a challenge. Thanos acknowledged that of Tyrant, but said he had accomplished his goal, so there was no point in continuing. Thanos hadn't accomplished his goal of Odin yet. Big difference.
So what Thanos' costume was ripped. His costume was fine after a single blast from Galactus, yet he was begging for his life. Would you say he was in better shape there than against Tyrant?
Does no one else realize that his prep didn't really mean anything? Meaningful prep would have been him watching Tyrant while he was fighting the others. That way he learns how Tyrant fights as well as any possible weaknesses. Just knowing his history does not help in a battle. As for the orb, we have no idea how much power was contained in there, so we don't know how it would have helped him against Odin. maybe if Thanos had it, Odin would have actually felt one of his blasts.
Originally posted by Sundipped
You call Tyrant countering everyting Galactus tried being treated like a child? 😐 Galactus didn't get tired. He was running out of options. And Tyrant mentioned how his body has adapted to be able to absorb energy, create bodies and bend any tech (including Big G's ship) to his will so no it's not bad writing.
You can't be serious. Running out of options? You're talking about a being whose anger destroyed star systems and even a Watcher, and one blast and grabbing Tyrant's "hair" are the only options he has? Tyrant's attacks did absolutely nothing to Galactus until Galan decided to hook him to his machine. And you're right, he didn't get tired. His exact quote was "Enough of this! Galactus does not engage in fisticuffs." He even called the confrontation ridiculous. And yes, it is bad writing. Why would Galactus need a machine to drain Tyrant when he has been consistently shown to drain any of his creations using his own power?
Originally posted by Xplosive
No doubt DP Tyrant wins this. I completely forgot that Odin was a joke to a Celestial. Compare Odin to what he was to a Celestial and Tyrant against ''fed'' Galactus. Not that Tyrant was a joke, but he had Galactus on the ropes. And Galactus never took Tyrant as a joke, but as an worthy adversary.Tyrant smites him.
You can also look at the fact that Odin was able to one-shot Surfer when Tyrant couldn't. Galactus also made a shielded Thanos beg for mercy after one shot but Tyrant couldn't do it after multiple attacks.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
And yes, it is bad writing. Why would Galactus need a machine to drain Tyrant when he has been consistently shown to drain any of his creations using his own power?
Tyrant is far different than any other Galactus creation. Also far more powerful. He is similar to Galactus. And Tyrant like Galactus increased his energy or to contain by draining other planetary biosphere.
He is so powerful that was even feeding on Galactus energy blasts.
He is so much different than any other Galactus creation.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
You can also look at the fact that Odin was able to one-shot Surfer when Tyrant couldn't. Galactus also made a shielded Thanos beg for mercy after one shot but Tyrant couldn't do it after multiple attacks.
I can never see a Celestial approaching against Tyrant as against Odin. Celestial would need all to go against Tyrant, especially the FP Tyrant.
Tyrant is generally seen in league of Galactus and such as Celestials, Odin is not.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Tyrant is far different than any other Galactus creation. Also far more powerful. He is similar to Galactus. And Tyrant like Galactus increased his energy or to contain by draining other planetary biosphere.
He is so powerful that was even feeding on Galactus energy blasts.
He is so much different than any other Galactus creation.
After their first confrontation, Galactus is the one who depowered him, and he did it without tech. That was the most powerful version of Tyrant so far, so why couldn't he do it to a less powerful version?
Originally posted by Xplosive
I can never see a Celestial approaching against Tyrant as against Odin. Celestial would need all to go against Tyrant, especially the FP Tyrant.Tyrant is generally seen in league of Galactus and such as Celestials, Odin is not.
Celestials have never had a reason to approach Tyrant as he doesn't interfere with their plans. A Celestial having to go all out against Tyrant is pure speculation. Yes, I believe FP Tyrant would be a challenge to a Celestial but not the depowered version.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
After their first confrontation, Galactus is the one who depowered him, and he did it without tech. That was the most powerful version of Tyrant so far, so why couldn't he do it to a less powerful version?
Galactus depowered him, but it took a lot from Galactus.
Maybe after that Tyrant figured him out, knew what to do. But I also think that Galactus in the 2nd bout wasn't nearly as powerful as in the 1st one.
In the 1st one he knew who is he facing and knew it will be battle with brute force and it seemed he completely prepared for it, he knew he must.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Celestials have never had a reason to approach Tyrant as he doesn't interfere with their plans. A Celestial having to go all out against Tyrant is pure speculation. Yes, I believe FP Tyrant would be a challenge to a Celestial but not the depowered version.
Yea, I know, I only gave comparison, but then again I used FP Tyrant.
This thread is about DP Tyrant. I think DP Tyrant takes him down.
We can use about their battle vs. Thanos, but DP Tyrant battled clearly the more powerful version of Thanos than Odin (because how Thanos did against DP Tyrant, it seems that Thanos would beat those six powerful being DP Tyrant owned, so it was amped Thanos, because Thanos wouldn't be able to take them down, they would own him. It really seems that orb amped him drastically). However, neither Odin nor DP Tyrant seemed going all out against Thanos.
But Thanos eventually escaped from the battle (and it didn't take so much long as against Odin), but not against Odin.
So in a thread where we're trying to decide whether Tyrant is superior to Thanos, you're trying to prove that he's stronger by pulling out his fight with Thanos. You claim that Thanos is stronger here because he did better against someone who's strength you're trying to measure by comparing how Thanos fared against him and Odin?
I don't get it.
Tyrant needs other feats beyond the one that we're using for comparison. His only other feats are fighting some heralds, getting injured by low levels and using Galactus' technology against him.
That hardly puts him above Thanos.
Originally posted by llagrok
So in a thread where we're trying to decide whether Tyrant is superior to Thanos, you're trying to prove that he's stronger by pulling out his fight with Thanos. You claim that Thanos is stronger here because he did better against someone who's strength you're trying to measure by comparing how Thanos fared against him and Odin?I don't get it.
Tyrant needs other feats beyond the one that we're using for comparison. His only other feats are fighting some heralds, getting injured by low levels and using Galactus' technology against him.
That hardly puts him above Thanos.
I think you ment Odin? we know tyrant is above thanos?
Originally posted by starlock
I think you ment Odin? we know tyrant is above thanos?
We do.
But his other feats BARELY put him above Thanos, and maybe even below him in durability. Thanos has taken far worse than Tyrant has apparently, but from the looks of it Tyrant can (barely) dish out more.
Tyrant does not have any other feats that put him on par with Odin.
Originally posted by Xplosive
Galactus depowered him, but it took a lot from Galactus.
Maybe after that Tyrant figured him out, knew what to do. But I also think that Galactus in the 2nd bout wasn't nearly as powerful as in the 1st one.
In the 1st one he knew who is he facing and knew it will be battle with brute force and it seemed he completely prepared for it, he knew he must.
Um, it's never stated anywhere that depowering Tyrant took a lot from Galactus and Galactus has never been depowered throughout the years. Unless you have proof otherwise, which I would love to see.
Originally posted by Xplosive
We can use about their battle vs. Thanos, but DP Tyrant battled clearly the more powerful version of Thanos than Odin (because how Thanos did against DP Tyrant, it seems that Thanos would beat those six powerful being DP Tyrant owned, so it was amped Thanos, because Thanos wouldn't be able to take them down, they would own him. It really seems that orb amped him drastically). However, neither Odin nor DP Tyrant seemed going all out against Thanos.
But Thanos eventually escaped from the battle (and it didn't take so much long as against Odin), but not against Odin.
While it MAY be true that the Thanos Tyrant faced was the most powerful at the time, it's only because of the orb he held, which we have no idea how much power was even contained in it. It was never mentioned again after that, so it obviously wasn't too important once Thanos did his tests on it. Plus you have Tyrant never commenting about Thanos' power being augmented by the orb. He only comments about how Thanos is more powerful than the others he faced. So saying the orb "amped him drastically" is pure speculation.
As for Thanos running from Tyrant and not Odin, I'll repeat myself again. Against Tyrant, Thanos had accomplished his goal, so there was no further reason to fight. He didn't accomplish his goal against Odin, so there was no reason to leave. Simple.
Originally posted by llagrok
We do.But his other feats BARELY put him above Thanos, and maybe even below him in durability. Thanos has taken far worse than Tyrant has apparently, but from the looks of it Tyrant can (barely) dish out more.
Tyrant does not have any other feats that put him on par with Odin.
I agree, i was just pointing out your post above mine that ended with
"That hardly puts him above Thanos."
I think you ment to say......That hardly puts him above Odin😉
Originally posted by starlock
I agree, i was just pointing out your post above mine that ended with
"That hardly puts him above Thanos."I think you ment to say......That hardly puts him above Odin😉
No, I meant Thanos.
Tyrant's feats hardly puts him above Thanos. How on earth can some people translate that into him being on Odin's level?