Tyrant "depowered" vs. Odin

Originally posted by celestialdemon
So saying the orb "amped him drastically" is pure speculation.

I say drastically, because Thanos without orb wouldn't be able to take the team out DP Tyrant took out in a quick time. And Thanos with orb did much better against DP Tyrant than those team combined. So we can assume that Thanos with orb would probably take those team also out, which Thanos without orb wouldn't be able. He would be quickly overwhelmed. It seems it amped him drastically.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I say drastically, because Thanos without orb wouldn't be able to take the team out DP Tyrant took out in a quick time. And Thanos with orb did much better against DP Tyrant than those team combined. So we can assume that Thanos with orb would probably take those team also out, which Thanos without orb wouldn't be able. He would be quickly overwhelmed. It seems it amped him drastically.

Of course he wouldn't have been able to take that team out that quickly because he's not as powerful as Tyrant either with or without the orb. However, I would like to see what evidence you have as to thinking he couldn't take that team also, because I've seen him take on groups of very powerful beings before.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Of course he wouldn't have been able to take that team out that quickly because he's not as powerful as Tyrant either with or without the orb. However, I would like to see what evidence you have as to thinking he couldn't take that team also, because I've seen him take on groups of very powerful beings before.

Thanos taking those team out combined, no way. They would overwhelm him and should overwhelm him quickly.

We could argue Silver Surfer alone going all out and Thanos going all out could give serious problems to Thanos (not saying he would win), especially because of having such an enormous speed advantage.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
I'm not ignoring these factors, but you seem to be content with ignoring the fact that Thanos left the battle against Tyrant because he had accomplished his goal. He even states that further battle is pointless. You also ignore that Thanos was struggling to stand up after Odin gave him the chance to give up. Thanos had no such problem against Tyrant.

Like I've said before, the only prep he had for Tyrant was knowing his history with Galactus. That means absolutely NOTHING when it comes to an actual battle.

Try taking your own advice.

Thanos stood up and looked worse than when he fought Odin. I cant seem to understand anyone disputing this. His clothes were destroyed in a much shorter time and he had a weapon he used against Tyrant. Odin fought him for over 6 pages and Thanos clothes were singed and slightly torn.

Thanos mentally prepared himself and took the orb to fight him with. while Odin attacked Thanos for no reason and he wasnt prepared to take on Odin.

Saying that with prep Thanos is just the same as without is totally ignorant.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
What we saw was Tyrant get treated like a child until Galactus got tired of him and made the mistake of using his tech (something that was horribly bad writing because we've seen Galactus drain Tyrant without tech before).

Tyrant absorbed his energy easily. Galactus looked downright desperate to use his own tech. Tyrant was talking trash and outright dominating him the entire time.

Why would Morg get the un and intervene if Galactus was so far above Tyrant. Answer he wasnt and there is a reason he intervened as Galactus was doomed.

You arent even being reasonable at all anymore.

Originally posted by Xplosive
No doubt DP Tyrant wins this. I completely forgot that Odin was a joke to a Celestial. Compare Odin to what he was to a Celestial and Tyrant against ''fed'' Galactus. Not that Tyrant was a joke, but he had Galactus on the ropes. And Galactus never took Tyrant as a joke, but as an worthy adversary.

Tyrant smites him.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Tyrant was already serious. He was upset that Thanos had the gall to face him just as a challenge. Thanos acknowledged that of Tyrant, but said he had accomplished his goal, so there was no point in continuing. Thanos hadn't accomplished his goal of Odin yet. Big difference.

So what Thanos' costume was ripped. His costume was fine after a single blast from Galactus, yet he was begging for his life. Would you say he was in better shape there than against Tyrant?

Does no one else realize that his prep didn't really mean anything? Meaningful prep would have been him watching Tyrant while he was fighting the others. That way he learns how Tyrant fights as well as any possible weaknesses. Just knowing his history does not help in a battle. As for the orb, we have no idea how much power was contained in there, so we don't know how it would have helped him against Odin. maybe if Thanos had it, Odin would have actually felt one of his blasts.

That is a separate instance altogether but we are talking about Odin and Tyrant vs Thanos. Thanos took more from Odin and looked better and thats a fact.

The orb was a weapon that was used. We dont know how powerful it is but we know Thanos had a weapon against Tyrant but didnt have one against Odin.

Originally posted by llagrok
We do.

But his other feats BARELY put him above Thanos, and maybe even below him in durability. Thanos has taken far worse than Tyrant has apparently, but from the looks of it Tyrant can (barely) dish out more.

Tyrant does not have any other feats that put him on par with Odin.

How can anyone in their right mind put his durability below Thanos'. How? Thanos isnt the baddest character out right and thats great because thats boring. I wouldnt like a character who was at Galactus level or higher because its extremely broing and theres no challenge.

Thanos in this whole story took on someone more powerful tha him. To see if he could take it and he could but couldnt defeat him with his own power alone and this was proven in their battle.

But Tyrant is on a whole other level and is near Galactus. I love Thanos to death but he beat on Thanos easily and didnt know who the hell he was. Thanos did get more powerful since their confrontation but he still couldnt last long with Galactus.

Tyrant was beating on a well fed prepped Galactus. Beating him senseless where Morg had to save him.

You are acting totally ignorant here. Tyrant has not lost to anyone on panel since he was depowered. No one so for anyone to question his durability when he has no low showings its completely ignorant.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Thanos taking those team out combined, no way. They would overwhelm him and should overwhelm him quickly.

We could argue Silver Surfer alone going all out and Thanos going all out could give serious problems to Thanos (not saying he would win), especially because of having such an enormous speed advantage.

Thanos has taken a blast from Surfer at point blank range, and it didn't do anything to him. He team down both Thing and Thor at the same time before his initial upgrade. He took on lots of heroes when he and the Watch threw down with them in the Infinity War. Plus, he was standing toe-to-toe with WM Thor w/PG, whom earlier rocked the Watch, SS, and Dr. Strange at the same time.

And speed won't work against Thanos. Fallen One tried that and failed.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Thanos has taken a blast from Surfer at point blank range, and it didn't do anything to him. He team down both Thing and Thor at the same time before his initial upgrade. He took on lots of heroes when he and the Watch threw down with them in the Infinity War. Plus, he was standing toe-to-toe with WM Thor w/PG, whom earlier rocked the Watch, SS, and Dr. Strange at the same time.

And speed won't work against Thanos. Fallen One tried that and failed.

That team wouldnt beat Thanos. No way no how. They dont have the overall power to defeat him first off.

Like you mentioned he took on Thor with the power gem and only had a bloody nose after playing around with him. Thanos has been upgraded since all this anyways.

He beats them off one by one. It would be a helluva battle but one in which Thanos would come out on top.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant said he could kill him and Thanos didnt argue. If Thanos could have taken him down he wouldnt have left. Thanos didnt budge against Odin because he wasnt as powerful as Tyrant.

I haven't once said that Thanos could take Tyrant down. And Thanos budged plenty of times against Odin. He just kept getting back up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos stood up and looked worse than when he fought Odin. I cant seem to understand anyone disputing this. His clothes were destroyed in a much shorter time and he had a weapon he used against Tyrant. Odin fought him for over 6 pages and Thanos clothes were singed and slightly torn.

Again, what does that matter. Thanos struggled to stand against Odin but not Tyrant. And Thanos' clothes weren't torn when Galactus blasted him either. Does that mean Thanos was in better shape after that than against his battle with Tyrant?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos mentally prepared himself and took the orb to fight him with. while Odin attacked Thanos for no reason and he wasnt prepared to take on Odin.

Odin didn't start attacking Thanos out of nowhere. Odin appeared, struck down Drax, and told his soldiers to leave. It was after that that they battled. So Thanos knew what he was getting into. Besides, since when does ANYONE invade Asgard and not expect to face Odin?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying that with prep Thanos is just the same as without is totally ignorant.

Not once did I say they were the same. I said the information gained by Thanos was pointless in an actual battle with him, because he has never seen Tyrant fight nor know what kind of attacks he's capable of.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Well one could say that, because when Morg showed up with the UN Tyrant was powerless to disassemple it, Galactus could have done it but he didn't dare at such a depowered State.

So Tyrant can overwrite Galactus command over his ship but cannot disassemble the UN but Galactus can do it. That can be looked of, as bad writing...

Thing about it is the UN is an aspect of Galactus himself. It may be possible for Tyrant to have to have direct physical contact with the tech to be able to control it. Still not bad writing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What are you talking about?

Tyrant absorbed his energy easily. Galactus looked downright desperate to use his own tech. Tyrant was talking trash and outright dominating him the entire time.

Easily, huh? Is that why he was screaming in pain and briefly doubted the confrontation? Galactus didn't look desperate. When has he ever looked desperate after a single attack?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why would Morg get the un and intervene if Galactus was so far above Tyrant. Answer he wasnt and there is a reason he intervened as Galactus was doomed.

Morg didn't pull out the UN until after Tyrant absorbed Galactus' tech. If Tyrant was as big of a threat as you say he was, why didn't he just use the UN from the start?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You arent even being reasonable at all anymore.

Look who's talking.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos acknowledged he couldnt take much more.

No, he said given the opportunity he's sure Tyrant would be able to kill him. Nothing about Thanos not being able to take much more.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That is a separate instance altogether but we are talking about Odin and Tyrant vs Thanos. Thanos took more from Odin and looked better and thats a fact.

Thanos also took more from Galactus and looked in better shape than against Tyrant. But Thanos wasn't begging for his life against Tyrant and he was against Galactus.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The orb was a weapon that was used. We dont know how powerful it is but we know Thanos had a weapon against Tyrant but didnt have one against Odin.

True, but unless we know how much power was in it, it's pointless to claim Thanos would have done a lot better against Odin with it, especially since Thanos couldn't even scratch Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What did I miss over here.

That team wouldnt beat Thanos. No way no how. They dont have the overall power to defeat him first off.

Like you mentioned he took on Thor with the power gem and only had a bloody nose after playing around with him. Thanos has been upgraded since all this anyways.

He beats them off one by one. It would be a helluva battle but one in which Thanos would come out on top.

Tell that to Xplosive.

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Tyrant's attacks did absolutely nothing to Galactus until Galan decided to hook him to his machine. And you're right, he didn't get tired. His exact quote was "Enough of this! Galactus does not engage in fisticuffs." He even called the confrontation ridiculous. And yes, it is bad writing.

U misinterpet. The quotes are a representation of frustration.
He called it ridiculous but he was the one who had just fed and was still getting everything he tried countered. 😂

Why would Galactus need a machine to drain Tyrant when he has been consistently shown to drain any of his creations using his own power?

In case u forgot Tyrant became a master at maipulating biospheric energy. He reversed the power flow through Big G's ship and had absorbed what Tyrant called "synthesized biosheric energy" from Galactus' energy projections. This creation of Galactus is non like any of his other ones.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I say drastically, because Thanos without orb wouldn't be able to take the team out DP Tyrant took out in a quick time. And Thanos with orb did much better against DP Tyrant than those team combined. So we can assume that Thanos with orb would probably take those team also out, which Thanos without orb wouldn't be able. He would be quickly overwhelmed. It seems it amped him drastically.

It did amp him drastically. Thanos knew the kind of power it possesed because after Tyrant first attacked him with cosmic vison, it knocked him through the roof and he was shown reaching desperately for the orb. He then realized the kind of power Tyrant had and didn't want to take any chances.

Originally posted by Sundipped
U misinterpet. The quotes are a representation of frustration.
He called it ridiculous but he was the one who had just fed and was still getting everything he tried countered. 😂

How is that misinterpretting? I'm interpretting it exactly the way Galactus said it. You make it sound like Galactus tried an assortment of attacks. He blasted Tyrant once and grabbed his "hair". Big deal. Galactus has FAR more in his arsenal than that.

Originally posted by Sundipped
In case u forgot Tyrant became a master at maipulating biospheric energy. He reversed the power flow through Big G's ship and had absorbed what Tyrant called "synthesized biosheric energy" from Galactus' energy projections. This creation of Galactus is non like any of his other ones.

I'm well aware that he isn't like Galactus' other creations. But he has drained him before, so it's pointless for him to try using tech to do it this time.

Originally posted by Sundipped
It did amp him drastically. Thanos knew the kind of power it possesed because after Tyrant first attacked him with cosmic vison, it knocked him through the roof and he was shown reaching desperately for the orb. He then realized the kind of power Tyrant had and didn't want to take any chances.

rolleyes1 I'm sure it had nothing to do with Thanos not wanting to lose the orb since he was trying to steal it.

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