Spider-man VS the Rhino

Yeah, I like how a scan of Pete with a broken arm (with no explanation of how it happened) makes up for the countless trouncings Pete has given Rhino. At least be fair folks. If something happens numerous times, it ceases to be PIS and just becomes accepted canon for the characters.

Originally posted by Premutos
Spider-man is an odd case, sometimes he has a Jobber Aura that defeats guys like Electro, Sandman or Rhino (who are WAY out of his league) and sometimes he jobs to people like Dr. Octopus.

He needs a jobber aura to defeat people in his rogues gallery?! That doesn't even make sense. Sandman he beats with his brain. Rhino can simply be pummeled into submission, which is usually what happens.

Originally posted by Premutos
Rhino has some degree of superspeed, y'know? He's faster than he looks, even Spidey himself says so.

Of course he does. He's a comic book character with class 80-ish strength. But Spider-Man can be reasonably depicted as running circles around a ton of villains, many faster than Rhino.

Originally posted by Premutos
Yeah, for the same reason Captain America can KO Hulk in 2 punches: PIS of the worst kind.

Not even CIS is enough to justify Rhino's loserdom, it has more to do with PIS.

We're not talking about Cap. Also, Hulk >>>>>> Rhino in every physical attribute. Rhino is about equal with Hulk's base level and/or Grey Hulk. Any normal version of Hulk is so far beyond Rhino it's not even humorous.

Rhino has the powers required to win...But he is a complete idiot.

Spidey wins more times than not.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Rhino has the powers required to win...But he is a complete idiot.

Spidey wins more times than not.

Anyone with Class 80 strength could win. But that's the point. Sans a plot device, he doesn't touch Spidey.

And Premutos' "Cap beat Hulk in 2 punches" PIS example isn't analogous to this. Spidey's lots stronger than Cap, Rhino's much less durable than Hulk, and Pete doesn't put him down in two punches. It takes time, like it should. But he can, and does, put him down often.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Yeah, I like how a scan of Pete with a broken arm (with no explanation of how it happened) makes up for the countless trouncings Pete has given Rhino. At least be fair folks. If something happens numerous times, it ceases to be PIS and just becomes accepted canon for the characters.

Even if it makes no sense in the 1st place? Then Batman must be top-tier at DC and Squirrel Girl at Marvel, right?

Oh, and Rhino has fought Hulk numerous times (and beaten him at least twice), how come Rhino is supposed to be outta Hulk's league then?

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Rhino can simply be pummeled into submission, which is usually what happens.

I know people around here don't like it much, but I'm gonna point this out once again:

Rhino ---> Class 85
Spider-man ---> Class 25

Originally posted by Premutos
I know people around here don't like it much, but I'm gonna point this out once again:

Rhino ---> Class 85
Spider-man ---> Class 25

So you think that because one guy is stronger than the other he should automatically win?

Originally posted by Premutos
I know people around here don't like it much, but I'm gonna point this out once again:

Rhino ---> Class 85
Spider-man ---> Class 25

Right. That's actually being a bit generous to Spidey.

But you're missing the point. Strength is FAR from the only gauge of power. Let's use this ratio and plug it into a different scenario....take a person who can lift 3.5 times as much as I can (not outlandish...it would need to be a body-builder of some sort but they exist) and has durability to match. Now give me enough speed to dodge him till my heart's content.

Could I beat him? Absolutely. Would it take time, and would he still have a chance of beating me? Sure. But I'd win more often than not, because he wouldn't touch me and I'd have the strength to eventually put him down.

Now give me, say, a baseball bat and it becomes even more lopsided (for Spidey, cars, lampposts, mailboxes, etc. would be the equivalent). Now give me webs that he could break out of, but that would slow him up, and there's yet another advantage.

You made my point. Spidey 8/10, and I feel like that's generous to Rhino.

Originally posted by Scoobless
So you think that because one guy is stronger than the other he should automatically win?

Nope, but it should help. A lot.

I don't think good guys starring in comics named after them should automatically win every fight either, but this happens in DC and Marvel all the time.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Right. That's actually being a bit generous to Spidey.

But you're missing the point. Strength is FAR from the only gauge of power. Let's use this ratio and plug it into a different scenario....take a person who can lift 3.5 times as much as I can (not outlandish...it would need to be a body-builder of some sort but they exist) and has durability to match. Now give me enough speed to dodge him till my heart's content.

Could I beat him? Absolutely. Would it take time, and would he still have a chance of beating me? Sure. But I'd win more often than not, because he wouldn't touch me and I'd have the strength to eventually put him down.

Now give me, say, a baseball bat and it becomes even more lopsided (for Spidey, cars, lampposts, mailboxes, etc. would be the equivalent). Now give me webs that he could break out of, but that would slow him up, and there's yet another advantage.

Yeah, ever wonder why urban utilities all over NY are always EXACTLY where Spidey needs 'em too be? That's called PIS too 😆

But anyway, a guy like the Rhino, who can trade punches with Hulk and resist attacks from the Silver Surfer and cross bigass minefields as if they were nothing is gonna be taken down by a puny class 25? Does that sound any realistic to you? Even if Rhino couldn't touch Spidey (and he can. It has happened numerous times already and according to you then it's not PIS) there it wouldn't be nothing that Spidey could do to hurt the Rhino, would it? Cause Rhino's durability >>> Spidey's strength, by far.

urban utilities are over abundant in new york city...... 😑
spidey should have a hard time not finding any.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
urban utilities are over abundant in new york city...... 😑
spidey should have a hard time not finding any.

Thing is, he always finds the one he needs placed in the very exact point he needed it to be. I don't live in NYC but that sounds weird to me.

Originally posted by Premutos
Thing is, he always finds the one he needs placed in the very exact point he needed it to be. I don't live in NYC but that sounds weird to me.

Actually it's usually the other way around, he'll see something then come up with a way to use it. Not hope to find something then just stumble into it.

I don't live in NYC either, but seeing as there's more people in that one city than in my entire country I don't doubt that there's a lot of that sort of stuff all over the place.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Actually it's usually the other way around, he'll see something then come up with a way to use it. Not hope to find something then just stumble into it.

I don't live in NYC either, but seeing as there's more people in that one city than in my entire country I don't doubt that there's a lot of that sort of stuff all over the place.

They should give Spidey as a new power total control over cities, to make him more like this other other hero he inspired. Namely, Jack Hawksmoor. 😆

Originally posted by Premutos
Even if it makes no sense in the 1st place? Then Batman must be top-tier at DC and Squirrel Girl at Marvel, right?

Oh, and Rhino has fought Hulk numerous times (and beaten him at least twice), how come Rhino is supposed to be outta Hulk's league then?

I know people around here don't like it much, but I'm gonna point this out once again:

Rhino ---> Class 85
Spider-man ---> Class 25

What a moron....You are totally missing the point.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
What a moron....You are totally missing the point.

Enlighten me then, genius.

Originally posted by Premutos
Enlighten me then, genius.

Just read what everyone else has pointed out to you. You're just going on my ignore list for being a moron and other reasons.

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Just read what everyone else has pointed out to you.

So you ain't able to come up with reasons by your own, huh?

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul

You're just going on my ignore list for being a moron and other reasons.

Yeah yeah yeah, cry me a river, ok?

Originally posted by Premutos
Yeah, ever wonder why urban utilities all over NY are always EXACTLY where Spidey needs 'em too be? That's called PIS too 😆

It's a city. This argument is stupid. It's like saying you must be telepathic to have found so many toys while walking through a toy store.

Originally posted by Premutos
But anyway, a guy like the Rhino, who can trade punches with Hulk and resist attacks from the Silver Surfer and cross bigass minefields as if they were nothing is gonna be taken down by a puny class 25? Does that sound any realistic to you? Even if Rhino couldn't touch Spidey (and he can. It has happened numerous times already and according to you then it's not PIS) there it wouldn't be nothing that Spidey could do to hurt the Rhino, would it? Cause Rhino's durability >>> Spidey's strength, by far.

...none of which does anything to counter the mathematical model I set up in my earlier analogy, and how it shows that not only can Spidey win but should be the favorite.

....

To everyone else:

He's beginning to resort to insults and sarcasm. Either it's troll tactics, self-delusion, or simple immaturity. At this point, it's everyone else arguing to ourselves while Premutos ignores us. So until he shows a modicum of respect, or the ability to actually address others' points, I'd suggest ignoring him. Not necessarily with the ignore button, just in general.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'd suggest ignoring him. Not necessarily with the ignore button, just in general.

Or we could just get torches an' pitchforks an' burn 'im an' stuff .... worked on Frankenstein's monster ... sort of.

shrug

Originally posted by Scoobless
Or we could just get torches an' pitchforks an' burn 'im an' stuff .... worked on Frankenstein's monster ... sort of.

shrug

Whatever works.

😉

Er, who have I insulted?

Or which point have I ignored, for that matter? You want me to jump on the bangwagon and stop going against the general consensus, cause this is the wisest thing to do on comic-releated boards? Fine, Spidey wins. Whatever.