Originally posted by Premutos
You want me to jump on the bangwagon and stop going against the general consensus, cause this is the wisest thing to do on comic-releated boards?
Erm, no. That's not what I was saying at all. Though this is how to change someone's words around to suit your purposes and obscure the original meaning.
You're not ignoring people, you're ignoring arguments and making the same points without addressings the points of others. It's pointless to debate against such people. Thus, my suggestion to ignore you. And sarcasm ("enlighten me, genius"😉 can be just as insulting. Don't try to wiggle out of showing respect for others by changing the definition of bad behavior to include only things you haven't done.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Erm, no. That's not what I was saying at all. Though this is how to change someone's words around to suit your purposes and obscure the original meaning.
No, that's how a lot of message boards (especially if they're comic-related) work. I should know already, sometimes I've been banned for less.
Originally posted by DigiMark007You're not ignoring people, you're ignoring arguments and making the same points without addressings the points of others. It's pointless to debate against such people. Thus, my suggestion to ignore you. And sarcasm ("enlighten me, genius"😉 can be just as insulting.
And you're ignoring that the guy I was replying that called me a moron first, but ok. BTW, 'mathematical model'??
Originally posted by Premutos
No, that's how a lot of message boards (especially if they're comic-related) work. I should know already, sometimes I've been banned for less.
So message boards work by taking others' quotes out of context? Is that really what you're saying here? You might want to re-think that, or at least rise above it rather than taking part in it yourself.
Originally posted by Premutos
And you're ignoring that the guy I was replying that called me a moron first, but ok. BTW, 'mathematical model'??
Actually, "moron" came after the comment I quoted of yours that was an implied insult. It doesn't excuse his words, but neither does finger-pointing absolve you of blame.
And yeah, the little analogy I set up with the strength classes. You read it, right?
Originally posted by Premutos
Er, who have I insulted?Or which point have I ignored, for that matter? You want me to jump on the bangwagon and stop going against the general consensus, cause this is the wisest thing to do on comic-releated boards? Fine, Spidey wins. Whatever.
Sorry, but Digi said we're not supposed to talk to you. 😛
Stop talking to me, I'm a Rhino apologist 😛
Originally posted by DigiMark007
So message boards work by taking others' quotes out of context? Is that really what you're saying here? You might want to re-think that, or at least rise above it rather than taking part in it yourself.
Yep, that's also true. But I was talking of how not arguing against the general consensus is the the best thing to do on message boards to avoid getting banned.
So if I ever start being sarcastic and/or pointing that Rhino should be able to win some fights again just let me know, ok? And I'll stop right then, this is an intorerably disruptive behaviour and I'd hate to end up breaking the Internet.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Actually, "moron" came after the comment I quoted of yours that was an implied insult. It doesn't excuse his words, but neither does finger-pointing absolve you of blame.
Actually, it did not, but who cares?
Originally posted by DigiMark007
And yeah, the little analogy I set up with the strength classes. You read it, right?
Yep, but I wouldn't call that a 'mathematical model' by any stench of the imagination, y'know? That's why I was asking.
Originally posted by Premutos
Yeah, ever wonder why urban utilities all over NY are always EXACTLY where Spidey needs 'em too be? That's called PIS too 😆But anyway, a guy like the Rhino, who can trade punches with Hulk and resist attacks from the Silver Surfer and cross bigass minefields as if they were nothing is gonna be taken down by a puny class 25? Does that sound any realistic to you? Even if Rhino couldn't touch Spidey (and he can. It has happened numerous times already and according to you then it's not PIS) there it wouldn't be nothing that Spidey could do to hurt the Rhino, would it? Cause Rhino's durability >>> Spidey's strength, by far.
You should know that weaker characters like batman, CA, etc. have been hurting super strong guys since before we were born. Should it be done? Maybe (depends on whether a character is human or not).
There are high end feats and low ones. So if you take Rhino's high end durability feats then you must take spidey's high end strength feats too. Spidey has many class 50 and above feats for him to say that his strength should be higher than class 25. Hell he has multiple class 100 feats as well.
Also I saw a little 7 year old boy serious hurt a man who can lift more than 200lbs over his head with a sharp kick to the shin (he had on boots) while he was sitting down. And the boy can't even lift 50lbs over his head. Thus the man is more than 4x stronger. Rhino is less than 4x stronger than Spidey (based off many feats).
Plus you forget than Spidey can and will use lamposts, cars, etc. like a weaker person would use a bat against someone stronger.
And I caught you in a double standard. You are saying that Spidey shouldn't hurt Rhino because of the things Rhino endured. But you also say that Spidey should get hit since he has been hit numerous times. This is a double standard. If you say that Spidey shouldn't hurt Rhino then you should accept that he won't get hit either.
Originally posted by Scoobless
No he doesn't.
Oh yes he does.
Rule #1
Never say it isn't true if you truly don't know.
For it would be lying. (You are saying you know when you don't).
He has lifted or supported multistory buildings thrice.
He has lifted a tank.
He alone has lifted a huge stone plug that him and she-hulk struggled lifting before.
Caught a 10ton helicopter from a 200-300ft fall in about a 1.5ft or less stopping distance (this feat is way over 100 tons).
Lifted a huge water tower that not only weighs a lot but has thousands of gallons of water in it.
Easily catches a car thrown by Hulk (has to match the strength of the throw to catch it).
There's more.
Ok, so if there no problem with me arguing in favour of Rhino again...
Originally posted by h1a8
You should know that weaker characters like batman, CA, etc. have been hurting super strong guys since before we were born. Should it be done? Maybe (depends on whether a character is human or not).
True dat, in fact we have a thread going about all this:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t485393.html
Originally posted by h1a8
There are high end feats and low ones. So if you take Rhino's high end durability feats then you must take spidey's high end strength feats too. Spidey has many class 50 and above feats for him to say that his strength should be higher than class 25. Hell he has multiple class 100 feats as well.
Wait, are you telling me that Spidey should be treated or is supposed to be in the Class 100 range? 😕 If so he'd be seen trading punches with the likes of classic Hulk, Thing, Colossus, Juggernaut, etc and I don't think I've ever seen such a thing happens. If in some comics he appears performing Class 100 or 50 feats this is more likely a f*uck-up from some writers that never cared to do the math. Now, in Rhino's case, he's supposed to have insane durability and strenght, otherwise what would be the point of this character in the 1st place?
Originally posted by h1a8Also I saw a little 7 year old boy serious hurt a man who can lift more than 200lbs over his head with a sharp kick to the shin (he had on boots) while he was sitting down. And the boy can't even lift 50lbs over his head.
Ok but I wonder what would have happened in case the grown-up dude decided to fight back 😄
Originally posted by h1a8
Plus you forget than Spidey can and will use lamposts, cars, etc. like a weaker person would use a bat against someone stronger.
Yep, just like Rhino could start tossing cars arond and putting innocent bystanders at risk just to distract Spidey's attention.
Originally posted by h1a8
If you say that Spidey shouldn't hurt Rhino then you should accept that he won't get hit either.
Actually it was Digi who said that if something happens numerous times then it ceases being PIS, I was just following his logic but I don't quite agree with that. Anyways, it's been stablished since his 1st appearance that Rhino SHOULD be able to hit Spidey:
Otherwise what would be the point of creating a villain like that?
1960's Spidey that underestimates every opponent ftw!
Actually, if we took Pete's first 50 issues or so, we'd have him lower than many street levelers, and certainly benath any of his rogues, who almost always punked him during their first meeting. It wasn't a good time for him. I can dig that issue that you ripped the scan out of if you want...I'm guessing Spidey wins eventually. Heck, the punch didn't even seem to hurt him much.
Once again, though, you're engaging in confirmation bias and showing only panels that support your cause.
And you conceded that the little kid (Spidey) could hurt the much larger man (Rhino). Good job. What you overlooked in the analogy is that the kid would be many times faster than the man in order to make it true to the comics. He'd also have weapons. Could the man still win, and could he occasionally hit the kid? Absolutely. But when you can run circles around a character, it changes the element. And make no mistake, Spidey can and has done it multiple times.
Fight any villain enough and both sides will get wins. No one's saying Rhino is so far from Spidey that he doesn't have a chance. But he'd clearly lose the majority, because that's what always happens.
Re: Spider-man VS the Rhino
Originally posted by UKR
The Rhino may be I believe 8 - 9 times Spidey's strength, but is also the biggest loser in the MU. Spider-man has a great edge in speed and agility, and even if O'Hirn got some respect then it's not like we'd be talking about the Hulk here. So who comes out on top?
Spidey...
Spidey has bested the Rhino many times,
he is simply too smart and fast for Rhino 😂