Originally posted by Phantom Zone
If you mean they werent trying to kill him but were holding back for some raeson, like they werent using as much force as they usually do what proof do you have for this?
that one.
Why were the badly written?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Cyclops can't go full power optic blast with his visor on.
that's one.
they were badly written in general. emma, colossus, etc etc.
Originally posted by Raoul
that's one.
Ok you do realise that to point that out doesnt make any sense because thats an example of Cyclops being more powerful than he usually is. Yeah hes doing something he not shown to do before but he wasnt written to be weaker, so I dont see what the problem is.
Originally posted by Raoul
they were badly written in general. emma, colossus, etc etc.
Could I please have some proof?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Ok you do realise that to point that out doesnt make any sense because thats an example of Cyclops being more powerful than he usually is. Yeah hes doing something he not shown to do before but he wasnt written to be weaker, so I dont see what the problem is.
what? he wasnt shown as more powerful than he usually is. and his "full power" thing was anything but, as his visor was still on.
Could I please have some proof?
umm, the fact that they were crap? that colossus tried to brawl against the hulk when even against the likes of the blob he tries to use his intelligence?
Originally posted by Raoul
what? he wasnt shown as more powerful than he usually is. and his "full power" thing was anything but, as his visor was still on.
I see what you mean. However if X-factor were struggling against Grey Hulk I really dont see what full power would do against the most powerful version.
Originally posted by Raoul
umm, the fact that they were crap? that colossus tried to brawl against the hulk when even against the likes of the blob he tries to use his intelligence?
What coulc Collosus have done. If Prof X, Emma and all the others couldnt find a way to stop him, what could have collosus thought of. Remember as well this version of WWH was very intelligent.
How were the others horrible?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I see what you mean. However if X-factor were struggling against Grey Hulk I really dont see what full power would do against the most powerful version.What coulc Collosus have done. If Prof X, Emma and all the others couldnt find a way to stop him, what could have collosus thought of. Remember as well this version of WWH was very intelligent.
How were the others horrible?
when was that, though? even cyclops, who rarely gets any kind of upgrade, has finally been bumped up quite a bit.
cyclops whining about "full power" when his full power is far better than what was shown, was massive jobbing.
colossus tried to brawl with him. it goes against colossus' character to even try something like that when he knows who the hulk is.
he was intelligent. he wasn't exactly a genius.
actually, there weren't many others, my bad. it was the astonishing team's poor performance more than anything that irritated me, to be honest.
Originally posted by Raoul
when was that, though? even cyclops, who rarely gets any kind of upgrade, has finally been bumped up quite a bit.
That was a while ago, late 80s or early 90s, but you got to bare in mind im not just talking about cyke. Grey Hulk took on the combined effort of X-factor from what I remember Iceman had also recieved an upgrade and was more poweful than he previoulsy was and he had to go IceNova to beat Hulk.
Originally posted by Raoul
cyclops whining about "full power" when his full power is far better than what was shown, was massive jobbing.
Yeah thats true but my point is full power wouldnt have done anything anyway.
Originally posted by Raoul
colossus tried to brawl with him. it goes against colossus' character to even try something like that when he knows who the hulk is.
I guess you could be right as well, but I dont see what he could have done. He may have actually done that because he couldnt have thought of anything.
Originally posted by Raoul
he was intelligent. he wasn't exactly a genius.actually, there weren't many others, my bad. it was the astonishing team's poor performance more than anything that irritated me, to be honest.
Ok.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
That was a while ago, late 80s or early 90s, but you got to bare in mind im not just talking about cyke. Grey Hulk took on the combined effort of X-factor from what I remember Iceman had also recieved an upgrade and was more poweful than he previoulsy was and he had to go IceNova to beat Hulk.
what issue was that? i want to have a look.
also, cyclops didn't get his upgrade til the 90s, iirc.
Yeah thats true but my point is full power wouldnt have done anything anyway.
why not? it pushed back onslaught, cleared a forest and a blink from cyclops can knock cl100's out easily. i'm not saying it would kill or severely injure hulk, but the guy should have been launched a fair distance.
I guess you could be right as well, but I dont see what he could have done. He may have actually done that because he couldnt have thought of anything.
but my point is that he didn't even try. he just waded in waving his fists.
Originally posted by quanchi112
All the time. He gets tagged here as well. He goes down hard. Bricks do quite well against Superman. His ultimate opponent Doomsday was just a brick.
they only do well when he plays fair.
Originally posted by Raoul
what issue was that? i want to have a look.also, cyclops didn't get his upgrade til the 90s, iirc.
I suspect it may have been before that.
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/8531/theincrediblehulkv2336205xk.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3525/theincrediblehulkv233621e1xk.jpg
Bare in mind that Iceman almost passed out from the strain. This was shortly after he got upgraded from Loki.
Originally posted by Raoul
why not? it pushed back onslaught, cleared a forest and a blink from cyclops can knock cl100's out easily. i'm not saying it would kill or severely injure hulk, but the guy should have been launched a fair distance.
Not unreasonale but bare in mind he took a scream from a Skrull BB and WWH was right up in his face.
That Skrull may not have been as powerful as the orginal but he knocked a chunk of the moon the size of Manhatten and WWH looked just fine afterwards.
The thing is eventhough Cyclops maye have pushed back Onslaught I highly doubt that Cyclops could ahve really done anything if WWH didnt want him to especially when Savage Hulk has resisted planetry forces.
Originally posted by Raoul
but my point is that he didn't even try. he just waded in waving his fists.
Yeah I know, my point is that there was nothing he could have thpught of. If Darwn couldnt beat him theres only so much that Collosus could have done. Like I said earlier he might have realised this and just decided to go out swinging punches.
Originally posted by RaoulSuperman was fearful of Doomsday in hunter and prey. He was scared shitless of this brick at the time. Konvikt has also proved to be not just a challenge for him, but the entire jla.
what issue was that? i want to have a look.also, cyclops didn't get his upgrade til the 90s, iirc.
why not? it pushed back onslaught, cleared a forest and a blink from cyclops can knock cl100's out easily. i'm not saying it would kill or severely injure hulk, but the guy should have been launched a fair distance.
but my point is that he didn't even try. he just waded in waving his fists.
they only do well when he plays fair.
Originally posted by AvlonWith help and you do realize the good guys are always going to win in the end.
And then they still lose. 😉
Originally posted by The NuulHow does he always win?
Supes stomps WWH 100/10.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I suspect it may have been before that.http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/8531/theincrediblehulkv2336205xk.jpg
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3525/theincrediblehulkv233621e1xk.jpgBare in mind that Iceman almost passed out from the strain. This was shortly after he got upgraded from Loki.
ah. i'll have to pick it up.
Not unreasonale but bare in mind he took a scream from a Skrull BB and WWH was right up in his face.That Skrull may not have been as powerful as the orginal but he knocked a chunk of the moon the size of Manhatten and WWH looked just fine afterwards.
The thing is eventhough Cyclops maye have pushed back Onslaught I highly doubt that Cyclops could ahve really done anything if WWH didnt want him to especially when Savage Hulk has resisted planetry forces.
he also got smacked around by iron man during their fight. no matter how strong or durable people are, they can still get knocked back or up in to the air or whatever. it happens to everyone. not saying it had to happen, just that it could have.
and its another example of why the x-men were underwritten, imo.
Yeah I know, my point is that there was nothing he could have thpught of. If Darwn couldnt beat him theres only so much that Collosus could have done. Like I said earlier he might have realised this and just decided to go out swinging punches.
colossus isn't like that, though. the x-men weren't fighting to kill hulk, they just wanted to stop him. colossus knows he can't match the hulk strength wise, so him going in like that is against his character. and darwin? jeez that guy is overrated. no offence man, i know its not you, but darwin gets wanked pretty hard when he doesn't have that many great feats. its potential rather than actual proven ability.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman was fearful of Doomsday in hunter and prey. He was scared shitless of this brick at the time. Konvikt has also proved to be not just a challenge for him, but the entire jla. With help and you do realize the good guys are always going to win in the end. How does he always win?
first of all: lulz at you trying to use them as some sort of low feats.
second: superman was scared, sure, but doomsday isn't quite the one dimensional brick you make him out to be. he was built purely to kill superman. his strength, durability and reflexes equal that of superman's most of the time.
third, konvikt did take on the jla, but superman himself stated he could bring konvikt down. even diana was holding her own at one point.
