Again, this is the best match up for hulk and with magneto force field up, I can see next to no top tier beating him BUT hulk has to much raw power to over come. He went from taking a skrull bolt full scream to him just jumping around in sentry over whelming power. Now the thing in question is can magneto shield withstand a punch that held planets together and punches that was shattering sentry's face. Are you all considering magneto shelds>>sentry durability. If you are, I dont agree but again magneto is close to invulnerablity when his shield is up.
I can see a thunder clap having a major effect on magneto, especially a thunder clap from someone that can lift and move trillions and trillions of tons. Once hes disoriented thats ball game because a furious hulk will be punching his shield away and beating him to death. Marvels scale stated that magneto is just as powerful as silver surfer, which he has shown on numerous of occasions but his versatility isnt helping him in this fight.
If it was any other top tier, I would give magneto the majority but this is a guy that almost fell to nothing and basically took everything that came his way.
Again, good fight starscream.
LOL, so basically phantom, your saying Hulk can make himself harder to lift by simply thinking about it? He can apparently increase his mass now... thats special. I wasnt going to get as harsh as some of these other guys, but you really dont have much of a grasp on logic.
Assuming Hulk could grow a new brain (he cant) how long would it take? Long enough to be considered a loss. Regardless, he'd die from such a thing.
And are you implying that simply hovering will tire Magento?
Originally posted by redhotrash
LOL, so basically phantom, your saying Hulk can make himself harder to lift by simply thinking about it? He can apparently increase his mass now... thats special. I wasnt going to get as harsh as some of these other guys, but you really dont have much of a grasp on logic.
Assuming Hulk could grow a new brain (he cant) how long would it take? Long enough to be considered a loss. Regardless, he'd die from such a thing.
And are you implying that simply hovering will tire Magento?
Why im arguing with somebody who thinks Reed Richards is not useful at prep? You just don't listen you argue.
The irony is I have already told you he can grow new organs.
Redhottrash: What happens if Hulk gets his brain ripped out?
Phantomzone: He can grow new organs hes done it before.
Redhottrash: No he can't
Phantomzone: 😬
He doesn't have to increase his mass. Why the hell do you think he doesn't go flying everytime he gets hit by people with superhuman strength? Despite the fact he weighs less than a ton he uses his strength to stop that from happening.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Hulk does increase his mass - every time he transforms from Banner to the Hulk. In fact, one time Goom shrank him to the a few inches tall and he just grew back to normal size.
That he reverting back to normal Hulk weight. Thats not him increasing his mass beyond what it normally is.
so are we saying here that world war hulk is stronger then a captain universe enpowered spiderman... the same same empowered spiderman that was unable to destroy the shields. please correct me if i am wrong on that one?
people seem to forgot that if this is pre-house of M magneto then he is exceptionally powerfulll.... i am going to propose that magneto uses the worm hole technique.... i am not sure bfr is allowed in this one... but the way i have see it if he can use the wormhole technique to split him in half if he terminates his wormhole when hulk is halfway in the wormhole.
also while i am aware that hulk is able to surivie in outter space i dont think he has anyway of moveing in the void of space. while magneto has been shown to have been able to survive in the void of space and be able to move... thus if the battle is taken to outerspace then hulk is at a server disadvantage.
please say you know the difference between telekeniss and magnokinesis.
also the majoirty of the hulks body is made from metal from the iron in his blood the the calcium in his bones. i doubt that hulk would be able to reist. calcisum is a metal with paramagnetic properties.... we are aware that magneto has demonstrated abilities to manipulate plastics as well as haveing total control of the electromagnetic specturm... thus i am giveing this to magneto
Originally posted by rougeredmage
so are we saying here that world war hulk is stronger then a captain universe enpowered spiderman... the same same empowered spiderman that was unable to destroy the shields. please correct me if i am wrong on that one?
I would not be suprised a weaker version of the Hulk smashed an asteroid twice the size of earth. Has Captain Universe Spiderman done that?
Originally posted by rougeredmage
people seem to forgot that if this is pre-house of M magneto then he is exceptionally powerfulll.... i am going to propose that magneto uses the worm hole technique.... i am not sure bfr is allowed in this one... but the way i have see it if he can use the wormhole technique to split him in half if he terminates his wormhole when hulk is halfway in the wormhole.
Hulk resisted Vector who was so powerful his telekinesis was repeling reality, that was a weaker version of the hulk.
Originally posted by rougeredmage
also while i am aware that hulk is able to surivie in outter space i dont think he has anyway of moveing in the void of space. while magneto has been shown to have been able to survive in the void of space and be able to move... thus if the battle is taken to outerspace then hulk is at a server disadvantage.
Right so Hulks just going to allow that to happen?
Originally posted by rougeredmage
please say you know the difference between telekeniss and magnokinesis.
I think I do but from what ive seen of Magentos hes not beating WWH. He simply is not powerful enough.
Originally posted by rougeredmage
also the majoirty of the hulks body is made from metal from the iron in his blood the the calcium in his bones. i doubt that hulk would be able to reist. calcisum is a metal with paramagnetic properties.... we are aware that magneto has demonstrated abilities to manipulate plastics as well as haveing total control of the electromagnetic specturm... thus i am giveing this to magneto
Lol of course hes going to win WWH has only dealt with forces more powerful than Magneto. So what? Any damage that Magneto does to him Hulk will heal from. The electromagnetic spectrum aint gonna do a goddam thing. Hell a weaker Hulk was strong enough to resist a forcefield that can put a planet in orbit, now all of a sudden Mags wins....wow.
Firstly I want to say congrats for missing my earlier point. I never said Reed didnt have anything to offer in a prep fight, I said Reed couldnt take over the Marvel Earth with a year of prep, which he cant. Anyhow its good to see that went right over your heard.
Moving on, are you saying Hulk would instantly regrow a brain? He wouldnt be out long enough to count for a win? Thats really something. I thought even the most hardcore fanboy wouldnt be so ignorant, but thats clearly not the case. Regardless, I like how you glossed over the entire part about how Magento controls the magnetic spectrum and thus could almost instantly drain Hulk of his power.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Firstly I want to say congrats for missing my earlier point. I never said Reed didnt have anything to offer in a prep fight, I said Reed couldnt take over the Marvel Earth with a year of prep, which he cant. Anyhow its good to see that went right over your heard.
No you said that Reed didn't have anything to contribute to the team and you kept balabbering about how Kang has conquered the earth in a different timeline after I told you 100 times that it wasn't.
Basically your just an argumentative waste of time, like alot of people in this thread.....but I don't have anything better to do.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Moving on, are you saying Hulk would instantly regrow a brain? He wouldnt be out long enough to count for a win? Thats really something. I thought even the most hardcore fanboy wouldnt be so ignorant, but thats clearly not the case.
The more pissed off he gets the faster he heals. A weaker Hulk got disembwoled by Wolverine when got pissed off his internal organs healed so fast that it looked as if the claws were not penetrating.
Since WWH had the best control of his anger it is possible from him to heal from that instantly if he gets pissed off enough.
Originally posted by redhotrash
Regardless, I like how you glossed over the entire part about how Magento controls the magnetic spectrum and thus could almost instantly drain Hulk of his power.
Darwin tried that it didn't work. WWH replenished his energy. WWH has faced more powerful people than Mags, Mags isn't draining him.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
Can we get a mod to close this thread, the debate is settled, there are no more -intelligent- beings capable of debating against Magneto.
No its not settlled you just dont listen to what people ahve to say and asssume your right. Its like the time when Punsiher fought Moon Knight and just assumed from looking at the scans Punsiher wasn't using any martial arts because......you said so.
Okay uve read through these arguments pretty thouroughly and i think a few misconceptions have to be cleared up.
1. The hulks healing factor does not simply heal over things that enter into his body it infact DOES expel foreign objects and metals in his body. When bruce banner was shot in the head he transformed into hulk and the bullet was FORCED OUT. Evn during the world war hulk saga, adamantium bullets whih had hit te hulk were scattered on the floor because as he heals these bullets were removed by his body. Heck if the bullets remained in his body he would be totally unable to function considering that adamntium CANNOT be broken down molecularly by the hulks body meaning that he would have tens of thousands of admantium bullets stuck in his internal organs. Heck the hulk evn had adamntium shards in his brain and if his body did not xpel them nor break them down( which is nigh impossible
), they must still be there. Now i read something about the hulks HF healing right over his hand and this is true. However the reason for this should be quite obvious because the hulks HF simply could not force out the hulks hand and hence the reason it simply healed over it.
2. The hulk does NOT need to increase his mass to stop magneto from lifting him. The hulks weight has nothing to do with his ability to resist being lifted or manipulated and frankly thats is how it is in comics. He has resisted forces powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet brought on him by the stranger.Trying to apply real world physics to comics is totally ridiculous when everything in comics completely contradicts it. Not to mention the hulk HAS changed direction in mid air using strength alone which in reality is impossible.
3. Now that the whole hulk healing with metal still inside his body thing has been cleared up ill go to the next point which is what would happen in the unlikely scenario that mags does somehow get metal into the hulks body. Would mags at that point somehow be able to manipulate the hulk? Tough question but it is certainly answerable. I read an analogy comparing it to a fish and a line that really cracked me up. It talked of putting a hook in a fish and lifting the hook thus lifting the fish. Basically logical yes but in this scenario totally out of order. For one the hook may be in the fish but the only way for the fish to be lifted is if the pressure which the hook is being pulled upon by the human is greater than the pressure being applied by the fish. This is why at times we see people struggling to reel in extremly strong or powerful fish. The force being exerted by the fish on the hook is nearly equal or at times evn superior to that being exerted by the human. Frankly it is a sort of tug of war between both which can only end when the fish becomes smart enough to get the hook out of its mouth or when the human gets tired and lets go of the hook himself. This howver is not exactly the case of magneto and the hulk because while a hook is not part of the fishes body but just a sort of rope used to reel him in as the fish can also pull on the rope if it is strong enough. Magneto howver will be injecting the metal directly into hulks body and in the unlikely scenario dat it is not forced out by hulk HF, it will become a full part of the hulks body and the hulk will be unable to exert the same type of pulling force on the metal as the fish can on the hook. Does that mean that it is game set match for magneto? Certainly not. What has to be realised is that the metal is now part of hulks body, and magneto cannot lift the metal without lifting the hulk himself. In order for the hulk to stop this would neccesarily entail him doing the same thing he would need to do if he wanted to stop himself being lifted normally through any other means( telekinesis or whatever other way) which is to exert enough resisting force to counter it. Because the metal is now a part of the hulks body magneto CANNOT lift it without either removing it from hulks body, or affecting hulks entire body. For example if you attach a rope to something COMPLETELY inside a box( nothing sticking out unlike in the fish hook scenario) through a hole in the box, let us also say that the box is completely FORGED round whatever object it contains , you can either lift both the thing in the box and the box OR you can remove the thing in the box from the box entirely thus damaging the box. This however can only happen if there is some counteracting force stopping the box itself from being lifted and instead ONLY material inside the box will be forcefully removed/lifted out of the box. Now lets take the hulk to be the box and the material inside to be magnetos metal and magnetos powers of magnetism to be the invisble rope used to lift the metal. Now the box cannot resist the force being applied with anything aside its weight unless there is another outside force acting on it. However the hulk is not inanimate and has shown in the past the ability to resist his body being manipulated and can thus apply the counteracting force needed to stop himself from moving.
Now for magneto to be able to lift the hulk he will have to apply greater force than the hulk is applying. If not he will simply rip the metal out of the hulks body( provided that since he can force it in he can force it out).
4. To the next issue of the hulk releasing enrgy and what not, the hulk nver actually emitted enrgy WILLINGLY during WWH and to evn release the enrgy he had to get to an extremely high level of anger which i dont see him reaching here. Further the hulk releasing such enrgy might not evn be advantageous due to the nature of magnetos powers.
In conclusion, personally im not to sure who'd win because while i dont see magneto doing anything that can put down the hulk, the only way i see hulk winning is if he can exhaust magneto and get an opening. While i have no doubt that he can break through the forcefields magnetos ability to fly would probabaly give him a big advantage and he could easily barrage hulk with numerous buildings and large objects. Howver if i had to pick id have to go with the hulks durability and superior stamina to take him through 6/10.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Okay uve read through these arguments pretty thouroughly and i think a few misconceptions have to be cleared up.1. The hulks healing factor does not simply heal over things that enter into his body it infact DOES expel foreign objects and metals in his body. When bruce banner was shot in the head he transformed into hulk and the bullet was FORCED OUT. Evn during the world war hulk saga, adamantium bullets whih had hit te hulk were scattered on the floor because as he heals these bullets were removed by his body. Heck if the bullets remained in his body he would be totally unable to function considering that adamntium CANNOT be broken down molecularly by the hulks body meaning that he would have tens of thousands of admantium bullets stuck in his internal organs. Heck the hulk evn had adamntium shards in his brain and if his body did not xpel them nor break them down( which is nigh impossible
), they must still be there. Now i read something about the hulks HF healing right over his hand and this is true. However the reason for this should be quite obvious because the hulks HF simply could not force out the hulks hand and hence the reason it simply healed over it.2. The hulk does NOT need to increase his mass to stop magneto from lifting him. The hulks weight has nothing to do with his ability to resist being lifted or manipulated and frankly thats is how it is in comics. He has resisted forces powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet brought on him by the stranger.Trying to apply real world physics to comics is totally ridiculous when everything in comics completely contradicts it. Not to mention the hulk HAS changed direction in mid air using strength alone which in reality is impossible.
3. Now that the whole hulk healing with metal still inside his body thing has been cleared up ill go to the next point which is what would happen in the unlikely scenario that mags does somehow get metal into the hulks body. Would mags at that point somehow be able to manipulate the hulk? Tough question but it is certainly answerable. I read an analogy comparing it to a fish and a line that really cracked me up. It talked of putting a hook in a fish and lifting the hook thus lifting the fish. Basically logical yes but in this scenario totally out of order. For one the hook may be in the fish but the only way for the fish to be lifted is if the pressure which the hook is being pulled upon by the human is greater than the pressure being applied by the fish. This is why at times we see people struggling to reel in extremly strong or powerful fish. The force being exerted by the fish on the hook is nearly equal or at times evn superior to that being exerted by the human. Frankly it is a sort of tug of war between both which can only end when the fish becomes smart enough to get the hook out of its mouth or when the human gets tired and lets go of the hook himself. This howver is not exactly the case of magneto and the hulk because while a hook is not part of the fishes body but just a sort of rope used to reel him in as the fish can also pull on the rope if it is strong enough. Magneto howver will be injecting the metal directly into hulks body and in the unlikely scenario dat it is not forced out by hulk HF, it will become a full part of the hulks body and the hulk will be unable to exert the same type of pulling force on the metal as the fish can on the hook. Does that mean that it is game set match for magneto? Certainly not. What has to be realised is that the metal is now part of hulks body, and magneto cannot lift the metal without lifting the hulk himself. In order for the hulk to stop this would neccesarily entail him doing the same thing he would need to do if he wanted to stop himself being lifted normally through any other means( telekinesis or whatever other way) which is to exert enough resisting force to counter it. Because the metal is now a part of the hulks body magneto CANNOT lift it without either removing it from hulks body, or affecting hulks entire body. For example if you attach a rope to something COMPLETELY inside a box( nothing sticking out unlike in the fish hook scenario) through a hole in the box, let us also say that the box is completely FORGED round whatever object it contains , you can either lift both the thing in the box and the box OR you can remove the thing in the box from the box entirely thus damaging the box. This however can only happen if there is some counteracting force stopping the box itself from being lifted and instead ONLY material inside the box will be forcefully removed/lifted out of the box. Now lets take the hulk to be the box and the material inside to be magnetos metal and magnetos powers of magnetism to be the invisble rope used to lift the metal. Now the box cannot resist the force being applied with anything aside its weight unless there is another outside force acting on it. However the hulk is not inanimate and has shown in the past the ability to resist his body being manipulated and can thus apply the counteracting force needed to stop himself from moving.
Now for magneto to be able to lift the hulk he will have to apply greater force than the hulk is applying. If not he will simply rip the metal out of the hulks body( provided that since he can force it in he can force it out).
4. To the next issue of the hulk releasing enrgy and what not, the hulk nver actually emitted enrgy WILLINGLY during WWH and to evn release the enrgy he had to get to an extremely high level of anger which i dont see him reaching here. Further the hulk releasing such enrgy might not evn be advantageous due to the nature of magnetos powers.
In conclusion, personally im not to sure who'd win because while i dont see magneto doing anything that can put down the hulk, the only way i see hulk winning is if he can exhaust magneto and get an opening. While i have no doubt that he can break through the forcefields magnetos ability to fly would probabaly give him a big advantage and he could easily barrage hulk with numerous buildings and large objects. Howver if i had to pick id have to go with the hulks durability and superior stamina to take him through 6/10.
Thank you. I was wondering when some Hulk fans would back me up.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Okay uve read through these arguments pretty thouroughly and i think a few misconceptions have to be cleared up.1. The hulks healing factor does not simply heal over things that enter into his body it infact DOES expel foreign objects and metals in his body. When bruce banner was shot in the head he transformed into hulk and the bullet was FORCED OUT. Evn during the world war hulk saga, adamantium bullets whih had hit te hulk were scattered on the floor because as he heals these bullets were removed by his body. Heck if the bullets remained in his body he would be totally unable to function considering that adamntium CANNOT be broken down molecularly by the hulks body meaning that he would have tens of thousands of admantium bullets stuck in his internal organs. Heck the hulk evn had adamntium shards in his brain and if his body did not xpel them nor break them down( which is nigh impossible
), they must still be there. Now i read something about the hulks HF healing right over his hand and this is true. However the reason for this should be quite obvious because the hulks HF simply could not force out the hulks hand and hence the reason it simply healed over it.2. The hulk does NOT need to increase his mass to stop magneto from lifting him. The hulks weight has nothing to do with his ability to resist being lifted or manipulated and frankly thats is how it is in comics. He has resisted forces powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet brought on him by the stranger.Trying to apply real world physics to comics is totally ridiculous when everything in comics completely contradicts it. Not to mention the hulk HAS changed direction in mid air using strength alone which in reality is impossible.
3. Now that the whole hulk healing with metal still inside his body thing has been cleared up ill go to the next point which is what would happen in the unlikely scenario that mags does somehow get metal into the hulks body. Would mags at that point somehow be able to manipulate the hulk? Tough question but it is certainly answerable. I read an analogy comparing it to a fish and a line that really cracked me up. It talked of putting a hook in a fish and lifting the hook thus lifting the fish. Basically logical yes but in this scenario totally out of order. For one the hook may be in the fish but the only way for the fish to be lifted is if the pressure which the hook is being pulled upon by the human is greater than the pressure being applied by the fish. This is why at times we see people struggling to reel in extremly strong or powerful fish. The force being exerted by the fish on the hook is nearly equal or at times evn superior to that being exerted by the human. Frankly it is a sort of tug of war between both which can only end when the fish becomes smart enough to get the hook out of its mouth or when the human gets tired and lets go of the hook himself. This howver is not exactly the case of magneto and the hulk because while a hook is not part of the fishes body but just a sort of rope used to reel him in as the fish can also pull on the rope if it is strong enough. Magneto howver will be injecting the metal directly into hulks body and in the unlikely scenario dat it is not forced out by hulk HF, it will become a full part of the hulks body and the hulk will be unable to exert the same type of pulling force on the metal as the fish can on the hook. Does that mean that it is game set match for magneto? Certainly not. What has to be realised is that the metal is now part of hulks body, and magneto cannot lift the metal without lifting the hulk himself. In order for the hulk to stop this would neccesarily entail him doing the same thing he would need to do if he wanted to stop himself being lifted normally through any other means( telekinesis or whatever other way) which is to exert enough resisting force to counter it. Because the metal is now a part of the hulks body magneto CANNOT lift it without either removing it from hulks body, or affecting hulks entire body. For example if you attach a rope to something COMPLETELY inside a box( nothing sticking out unlike in the fish hook scenario) through a hole in the box, let us also say that the box is completely FORGED round whatever object it contains , you can either lift both the thing in the box and the box OR you can remove the thing in the box from the box entirely thus damaging the box. This however can only happen if there is some counteracting force stopping the box itself from being lifted and instead ONLY material inside the box will be forcefully removed/lifted out of the box. Now lets take the hulk to be the box and the material inside to be magnetos metal and magnetos powers of magnetism to be the invisble rope used to lift the metal. Now the box cannot resist the force being applied with anything aside its weight unless there is another outside force acting on it. However the hulk is not inanimate and has shown in the past the ability to resist his body being manipulated and can thus apply the counteracting force needed to stop himself from moving.
Now for magneto to be able to lift the hulk he will have to apply greater force than the hulk is applying. If not he will simply rip the metal out of the hulks body( provided that since he can force it in he can force it out).
4. To the next issue of the hulk releasing enrgy and what not, the hulk nver actually emitted enrgy WILLINGLY during WWH and to evn release the enrgy he had to get to an extremely high level of anger which i dont see him reaching here. Further the hulk releasing such enrgy might not evn be advantageous due to the nature of magnetos powers.
In conclusion, personally im not to sure who'd win because while i dont see magneto doing anything that can put down the hulk, the only way i see hulk winning is if he can exhaust magneto and get an opening. While i have no doubt that he can break through the forcefields magnetos ability to fly would probabaly give him a big advantage and he could easily barrage hulk with numerous buildings and large objects. Howver if i had to pick id have to go with the hulks durability and superior stamina to take him through 6/10.
1) The difference between an Adamantium bullet and something in Magneto's control is completely different. If Magneto forces the metal into Hulk's Kidneys, lungs, what have you, he can't just "expel" them. While Hulk's body may be working to "expel" the object, Magneto will continue to drive it into him. Can we get some scans of the "Expelling" incident please? They way it is being conveyed it sounds as if everything is doing exactly what I said, which is his body is pushing the item back out through the skin by expanding and/or the muscles pushing it out. In this case, Magneto is forcing shards, filaments, liquified metals, etc. into Hulk, while still battering him with metals. While I am willing to accept the idea of Hulk's body expelling the metals (Which I've acknowledged as completely possible already, just highly unprobable) I need to see an example of the context of the expelling.
2) The whole point of a debate on these forums is to decide, using the best logic possible, who would win. As for your example using the Stranger, I believe you are taking it out of context, and need to see the scan before I believe what you are saying. As for changing direction in air, I've already acknowledged Hulk's ability to semi-fly by swinging his arms, etc. He's strong enough to alter his path mid-air. However, Magneto can launch him so quickly and so easily that there is no way he'd be able to resist the movement.
3) Thank god you are smart enough to understand the logic. I know the fish and hook example was crude, but I'm currently in Kuwait and don't have an excess of time or resources at my hands to help me. Now, as for Hulk resisting being lifted, I still need scans to believe that it's not being taken out of context. Logically, the Hulk's weight and whatever force he can generate against Magneto are all that Magneto has to beat. As for the metal being torn out of Hulk, Once he has it inside Hulk, he can change it's shape and form, for example, impaling Hulk with a long thing filament, then flattening it out to a disk. Remember, the larger the surface the less force is applied per square inch, thus something with 100x more surface area will apply 100x less force per point. Bad, bad math, but you get the idea. To get through Hulk's hide, it'll take a sharp point with a lot of force, a flat plate isn't being forced into Hulk.
4) I agree.
As for Hulk breaking Magneto's force field, I have no doubt after enough time he could, but seriously, that would take a ridiculously long time. Magneto's shields are ridiculously strong. Even if Magneto began to tire, he could simply create distance and regain his composure before returning to fight again. Barring a mistake on his part, Magneto will not lose this fight.
I look forward to continuing this debate.
Phantom Zone, shut up. You're an idiot.
Hes right, once the metal is actually inside Hulks body, its game over. He can manipulate it with a hell of a lot more force than Hulk can expell it. Again he can simply encase Hulk's brain or heart and end the fight.
And no, you cant simply suspend logic because it suits you. When a writer forgets to give Wolverine joints or allows Hulk to keep his footing in zero gravity, thats not a power, its bad writing.
Take for example the sometimes debated scan of Hulk and Wolverine standing side by side. Wolverine is digging a hole. Hulk thunderclaps and next thing you know they are both standing in a 10 foot deep crater. Is that implying that Wolverine has the same "anti-blowback" ability as the Hulk? Of course not, the writer just wanted to create a cool scene without thinking it through. Simply said, if Magneto can lift a astroid with a wave of his hand, he can lift the Hulk.
The fact that this fight takes place in time square makes Magneto's win absolute. He can pull up power lines and shock Hulk with enough electricy to power NYC, while impaling him with steel rods, while crushing him with millions of tons of debris, while slowing his blood flow.
Originally posted by llagrokThat made me laugh out loud. 😬
Peak levels? He lasted 5 minutes against the Sentry...
Originally posted by Nataku8188You're arguing that Magneto's magnetic force in driving a metal shard into WWH's body would be greater than WWH's physique, healing factor, ever increasing strength and ever increasing durability as he gets angrier?
1) The difference between an Adamantium bullet and something in Magneto's control is completely different. If Magneto forces the metal into Hulk's Kidneys, lungs, what have you, he can't just "expel" them. While Hulk's body may be working to "expel" the object, Magneto will continue to drive it into him. Can we get some scans of the "Expelling" incident please? They way it is being conveyed it sounds as if everything is doing exactly what I said, which is his body is pushing the item back out through the skin by expanding and/or the muscles pushing it out. In this case, Magneto is forcing shards, filaments, liquified metals, etc. into Hulk, while still battering him with metals. While I am willing to accept the idea of Hulk's body expelling the metals (Which I've acknowledged as completely possible already, just highly unprobable) I need to see an example of the context of the expelling.
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Originally posted by Nataku8188Savage Hulk consistently surprised opponents with his speed. But yes. Magneto could simply fly away from a patented quick WWH leap. Which would either result in Magneto leaving the standard arena and losing, or hopefully being fast enough to dodge him. Personally, I've never seen Magneto dodging quickly propelled objects with his "flying agility." Maybe ya'll can provide some scans. He usually just hovers there in arrogance. Or alternatively... Magneto could preemptively surround WWH with metal from the environment in mid-leap and use that to BFR him. Would he be able to gather up enough metal in time to overcome WWH's momentum or strength to escape? I dunno.
2) The whole point of a debate on these forums is to decide, using the best logic possible, who would win. As for your example using the Stranger, I believe you are taking it out of context, and need to see the scan before I believe what you are saying. As for changing direction in air, I've already acknowledged Hulk's ability to semi-fly by swinging his arms, etc. He's strong enough to alter his path mid-air. However, Magneto can launch him so quickly and so easily that there is no way he'd be able to resist the movement.
Originally posted by Nataku8188I don't think WWH is going to be beaten by a piece of adamantium string that has the width of a micron. Simplistic maybe, but so is the logic being asserted.
3) Thank god you are smart enough to understand the logic. I know the fish and hook example was crude, but I'm currently in Kuwait and don't have an excess of time or resources at my hands to help me. Now, as for Hulk resisting being lifted, I still need scans to believe that it's not being taken out of context. Logically, the Hulk's weight and whatever force he can generate against Magneto are all that Magneto has to beat. As for the metal being torn out of Hulk, Once he has it inside Hulk, he can change it's shape and form, for example, impaling Hulk with a long thing filament, then flattening it out to a disk. Remember, the larger the surface the less force is applied per square inch, thus something with 100x more surface area will apply 100x less force per point. Bad, bad math, but you get the idea. To get through Hulk's hide, it'll take a sharp point with a lot of force, a flat plate isn't being forced into Hulk.
Originally posted by Nataku8188What kind of physical pounding has Magneto been able to defend against historically that compares to WWH's level of pounding?
4) I agree.As for Hulk breaking Magneto's force field, I have no doubt after enough time he could, but seriously, that would take a ridiculously long time. Magneto's shields are ridiculously strong. Even if Magneto began to tire, he could simply create distance and regain his composure before returning to fight again. Barring a mistake on his part, Magneto will not lose this fight.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
1) The difference between an Adamantium bullet and something in Magneto's control is completely different. If Magneto forces the metal into Hulk's Kidneys, lungs, what have you, he can't just "expel" them. While Hulk's body may be working to "expel" the object, Magneto will continue to drive it into him. Can we get some scans of the "Expelling" incident please? They way it is being conveyed it sounds as if everything is doing exactly what I said, which is his body is pushing the item back out through the skin by expanding and/or the muscles pushing it out. In this case, Magneto is forcing shards, filaments, liquified metals, etc. into Hulk, while still battering him with metals. While I am willing to accept the idea of Hulk's body expelling the metals (Which I've acknowledged as completely possible already, just highly unprobable) I need to see an example of the context of the expelling.
The madder he gets the stronger his HF, he can expel it faster.
Originally posted by Nataku8188
2) The whole point of a debate on these forums is to decide, using the best logic possible, who would win. As for your example using the Stranger, I believe you are taking it out of context, and need to see the scan before I believe what you are saying. As for changing direction in air, I've already acknowledged Hulk's ability to semi-fly by swinging his arms, etc. He's strong enough to alter his path mid-air. However, Magneto can launch him so quickly and so easily that there is no way he'd be able to resist the movement..
I know lets just assume hes going to be fast enough to do it when weaker versions of the Hulk have been fast enough to deal with FTL characters. 👆
Originally posted by Nataku8188
3) Thank god you are smart enough to understand the logic. I know the fish and hook example was crude, but I'm currently in Kuwait and don't have an excess of time or resources at my hands to help me. Now, as for Hulk resisting being lifted, I still need scans to believe that it's not being taken out of context. Logically, the Hulk's weight and whatever force he can generate against Magneto are all that Magneto has to beat. As for the metal being torn out of Hulk, Once he has it inside Hulk, he can change it's shape and form, for example, impaling Hulk with a long thing filament, then flattening it out to a disk. Remember, the larger the surface the less force is applied per square inch, thus something with 100x more surface area will apply 100x less force per point. Bad, bad math, but you get the idea. To get through Hulk's hide, it'll take a sharp point with a lot of force, a flat plate isn't being forced into Hulk...
1. Nobody cares wether you're serving in Kuwait you're still an arrogant dick.
2. What part of Magento isn't strong enough to lift Hulk don't you understand? Hulk has resisted forces stronger than Magento so all of a sudden hes going to lift him? dur
Originally posted by Nataku8188
4) I agree.As for Hulk breaking Magneto's force field, I have no doubt after enough time he could, but seriously, that would take a ridiculously long time. Magneto's shields are ridiculously strong. Even if Magneto began to tire, he could simply create distance and regain his composure before returning to fight again. Barring a mistake on his part, Magneto will not lose this fight.
You do realise that it may not actually take that long? You know a WEAKER version of the HUlk was strong enough to resist against robot that could bite through adamantuim? You know a WEAKER version of the Hulk cracked Celestial armour?