Originally posted by Mindset
You see Hulk's foot sliding back, then it goes to the next page where Xavier yells for Cain to stop. Now could you point out where it shows Hulk stopped Juggs?
You know what I see? I see the Hulk digging in in an attempt to push Cain back, he also seems very confident about his ability to kill Cain, as he states earlier when they are exchanging blows. I guess this depends on how you interpret the sketch. One person may see one thing while another may see something else.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicthat indentation in FRONT of the Hulk's foot is a pretty good indicator that he's failing to push can back. In fact its a pretty good indicator that his foot was sliding back.
You know what I see? I see the Hulk digging in in an attempt to push Cain back, he also seems very confident about his ability to kill Cain, as he states earlier when they are exchanging blows. I guess this depends on how you interpret the sketch. One person may see one thing while another may see something else.
You'll also note that in the second page there's motion lines arounf the hulks head indicating that.. it moved foreward... if he had been stopped there wouldn't be the motion lines:
(also note, confidence in ones abilities doesn't make a difference unless you're Gladiator)
Originally posted by Creshosk
that indentation in FRONT of the Hulk's foot is a pretty good indicator that he's failing to push can back. In fact its a pretty good indicator that his foot was sliding back.You'll also note that in the second page there's motion lines arounf the hulks head indicating that.. it moved foreward... if he had been stopped there wouldn't be the motion lines:
What he said.
It isn't a series of illustrations that is really up to interpretation this time. It isn't a series of blurred lines symbolising speed. As far as logical deductions from illustrations go, it doesn't get much more concrete than this.
Originally posted by Creshosk
(also note, confidence in ones abilities doesn't make a difference unless you're Gladiator)
Have to disagree here though.
Originally posted by Creshosk
that indentation in FRONT of the Hulk's foot is a pretty good indicator that he's failing to push can back. In fact its a pretty good indicator that his foot was sliding back.You'll also note that in the second page there's motion lines arounf the hulks head indicating that.. it moved foreward... if he had been stopped there wouldn't be the motion lines:
(also note, confidence in ones abilities doesn't make a difference unless you're Gladiator)
You're quite correct, but neither has motion lines surrounding their heads, Cain's appear to be there because he turns to look at Xavier. It can also be argued that since the Hulk was possibly 100's of times stronger at the end of WWHulk that Juggernaut might have been a flyweight if they fought when the Hulk was at his strongest.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
what does all this have to do with juggernaut fighting wonder woman?
Nothing. But wonder Woman would be overcome by Cain if they fought, it would possibly be easier for Diana to beat Mongul in H2H combat, than beat the Juggernaut the way she usually deals with opponents of his caliber.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
You're quite correct, but neither has motion lines surrounding their heads, Cain's appear to be there because he turns to look at Xavier. It can also be argued that since the Hulk was possibly 100's of times stronger at the end of WWHulk that Juggernaut might have been a flyweight if they fought when the Hulk was at his strongest.
The main point is not with regards to the motion lines though, which I will say are not strong proof at all. The fact that Hulk was illustrated in as convincing a manner as possible to have been pushed backwards should say enough about who was doing better before the trip. That is the point in contention, not whethere hulk would have done better at the end of the arc.
Originally posted by MindsetYup.
Are you agreeing with me?
Originally posted by CaptainStoicSeeing as how this sort of push struggle isn't different from the previous times, I'd have to say I doubt it, he could be fed enough power from his mystical source to accomplish the moving foreward, even if really slow.
You're quite correct, but neither has motion lines surrounding their heads, Cain's appear to be there because he turns to look at Xavier. It can also be argued that since the Hulk was possibly 100's of times stronger at the end of WWHulk that Juggernaut might have been a flyweight if they fought when the Hulk was at his strongest.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
You're quite correct, but neither has motion lines surrounding their heads, Cain's appear to be there because he turns to look at Xavier. It can also be argued that since the Hulk was possibly 100's of times stronger at the end of WWHulk that Juggernaut might have been a flyweight if they fought when the Hulk was at his strongest.Nothing. But wonder Woman would be overcome by Cain if they fought, it would possibly be easier for Diana to beat Mongul in H2H combat, than beat the Juggernaut the way she usually deals with opponents of his caliber.
She would be over come if they fought? Well Konvict knocked Superman out. Wondy wasn't knocked out in the fight at all. She also has a better shield than he does. Couldn't she just rope him up and win because he wont' be able to move?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
She still got her rear handed to her by Konvikt.
Did she? Where? Looks like she was just gearing up for a fight when Superman charges in and grabs Konny by the eyes. of course he was her superior, but it's not like she was beat up. She got some licks in and took some.
Originally posted by Ouallada
Not entirely true. Classic juggernaut's strength could be limitless, and he could still be weaker than other incarnations (ignoring math here).
There's no proof that Jugg's strength is limitless. When has he shown to increase his strength on panel? Being almost unstoppable has nothing to do with being limitless.
And even if it is limitless (need panel proof though) then who's to say how fast his strength can grow. He can very well gain 1lb of strength per hour.