Good Lord, what is it with morons and being overly and annoyingly persistent?
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
[B]Nebaris, the impossible has happened: your humor is actually degenerating.
That was supposed to come out , apparently my keyboard's playing nasty tricks on me.
LOL. Okay, you know what? Sarro was more technically skilled than Bane,
Which Zannah notes with obvious high regard, as follows:
"Even though her technique was more refined than her Master's, she'd been able to withstand his assault ... so far."
Which speaks a hell of a lot for his saber technique, considering Bane's the guy who was able to perfectly memories and counter the millions of moves and sequences that make up all seven forms of the saber staff in under two years; in over five times the amount of time, it's pretty clear that he would have made a tremendous improvement and reached an extremely high level of ability, as it's noted that he spent time refining his technique during the period.
And unlike these Masters, his training focused on combating the Sith, he would have most definitely fought them in the War (in response to Lightsnake bringing up the fact that he was a padawan during the war, Force sensitive children were called on to fight in the war, it's pretty clear Padawans would have received their fair share of battle experience), and as such would be much more specialised at combating lightsaber wielding Force Users than your three one trick ponies.
was graceful because of his technical skill,
Grace =/= lightsaber refinery.
and all he had is brute strength!
As well as astonishing speed, elegance, and as an overall swordsman, was believed to possess few peers in the entire Galaxy, and when BM powered, was capable of outclassing Darth fricking Zannah.
Nice try. 'Greatest swordsman'. We've been over this- part of being a swordsman in the Star Wars galaxy is force attunement and ability- they weren't the most 'skilled swordsman'- which refers purely to technical skill- but overall, 'greatest' and 'best'.
We have been over this, and you stopped replying the last time, most likely because you knew that your argument had no leg to stand on.
How 'great' or 'fine' a swordsman is measures purely how good they are with the weapon itself, and that's it. Their speed, strength etc. doesn't tell you how good they are with the weapon, but rather how effective they would be able to use it in a miscellaneous situation, ergo, it has no effect on how great they are as swordsmen specifically.
If you believe otherwise, prove up on your stance.
While that specific era focused less on dueling, it still holds that when they engaged in lightsaber combat with other lightsaber-wielding or at least people wielding melee weapons, they did just fine-
And? I'm not saying that they suck as duelists because of it, but that they're naturally at a disadvantage when stacked up to beings who's training was focused around dueling and combating other Force Users and Lightsaber Practitioners, and who received a high level of battle experience, again, against lightsaber wielding Sith, on top of that
when Kolar practically defeated Vos,
Substantiate [the barely trained] Vos's level of ability, and then get back to me, as you failed miserably the last time.
and when Fisto took apart multiple magnaguards (droids who were said to have programming in all the forms, and were 'more than a match for most Jedi'😉,
Well he was only able to take two of them on at once, and it took him as long to defeat them as it did Mace to defeat Grievous. And while they're extremely technically skilled, at the end of the day, they're still just droids, they're not sensitive to the force, and as such, don't receive the many advantages that the Force provides them: such as the inhuman speed, strength, reflexes, or precognition. Shaak Ti was after all capable of holding her own against about twelve of them; they may have been 'more than a match for most Jedi,' but it's made quite clear that would stand literally no chance against an upper tier Jedi, which Sarro most certainly is, by virtue of deeds, reputation and proven ability.
enough to awe General Grievous (causing him to refer to Kit as a 'true Jedi'😉, who had slaughtered hundreds of Jedi.
Grievous was hardly in 'awe' of him, he simply stated that his assault on the many Jedi protecting the Chancellor might not have been so successful had he surrounded himself with Jedi such as the likes of Kit Fisto. Meaning even then, he only questioned whether he would be able to take on the likes of a group of Kit Fisto level Jedi, it's quite clear that he certainly didn't think of Kit as individually posing a threat against him.
And as AC Styles pointed out, that number amounts to nothing more than hopeful hyperbole.
Oh, and a vastly inferior Jedi Order?
Yes. In numbers, training, battle experience, mentality, and emphasis on dueling and fighting against the Sith. Vastly inferior.
Right. Then how come it was called 'the prime of the Jedi' by George friggin' Lucas,
Define 'the prime of the Jedi' and prove that the meaning is anything remotely related to combat and personal power. It could just as easily be in reference to the time of peace (it was made with reference to the time of The Phantom Menace) that the Jedi policed over as it could their level of power.
contained the 'most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known' (puts him a notch or two above Raskta, Farfalla, and co., eh?),
1. I've already explained why the canonicity of that quote should be brought into question; it immediately goes on to say that the 'most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness had ever known' just didn't have what it takes to defeat Sidious, in response to a battle between the two that depicted Sidious kicking Yoda's ass all over the place, which clearly contradicts the movie. Now before you go on about narration and character thoughts not being subject to retcon, they are when they're dependant on invalid events, which is exactly what's the case.
2. Even assuming that it's a canonical piece of narration, define it, and then get back to me, because power can be defined as the capacity to be effective, Yoda's labelled a direct foe of the 'darkness,' a force of nature that had lived throughout the ages and presumably can never be completely destroyed, and as such, it's highly likely that the quote is in allusion to Yoda's role in the grand scheme of things, and how much of a threat he had been to the darkness throughout the many centuries he had been alive. Now, prove up on your interpretation, or drop the point.
3. Even assuming that Yoda was the most combat capable Jedi ever, he's an ancient Jedi Grandmaster who had lived for centuries and who's midi-chlorian level was presumably the highest of the PT era before Anakin came along. He's not an accurate representative of the Jedi Order as a whole, ergo, you have no point.
'one of the deadliest Jedi in history' who had mastered a form incomplete for a milennia and formed the most lethal form in existence,
Again, another Jedi who was essentially an anomaly within his Order. Not an accurate representative of the Order as a whole. Also, please source that quote, as I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist.
the ultimate master of Soresu ("the most cunning Jedi"😉,
Now you're just being ridiculous. Obi-Wan Kenobi's praise fully stems from his position within his Order. The structure or hierarchy within an Order doesn't speak for how the Order itself compares to those before or after it, ergo, you have no point.
and the Chosen One, whose raw power is well beyond any who preceded him
1. The 'well beyond' demands proof.
2. Again, he's the Chosen One, another anomaly. He's not an accurate representative of his Order, ergo, you still have no point.
and was the 'strongest and fastest Jedi',
Again, how good someone was in relation to the Order doesn't speak for the Order as a whole.
perhaps of any generation.
The term 'Perhaps' would immediately bring the statement into question, can be considered hyperbolic, but that doesn't matter anyway, as the fricking Chosen One is not the quintessential PT Jedi. Far from it.