Something like this happened in a novel I read, a person who had spent ages duelling and had a crap load of natural ability went up against a person who spent his whole life fighting and gaining combat experience. The duelling guy only won becuase his opponant was about 60 yrs old and then only becuase he used an incredibly reckless move (he pretended to get his sword stuck in the ground, leaving himself open, then got him in the groin, just).
Originally posted by Lightsnake
That's kind of my point. If not for Johun, Zannah would be dead.She would have been killed against Sarro if not for Johun, this is unquestionable.
All true. But you seem to think that if Johun hadn't been there she would have died instantly. Not so. Even without Johun getting in the way, Zannah was able to fend off Sarro for a good amount of time.
Suppose they had fought one-on-one, without Johun or anyone else. Would Zannah have been killed? Yes. Would she have instantly been cut down like wheat? No.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
All true. But you seem to think that if Johun hadn't been there she would have died instantly. Not so. Even without Johun getting in the way, Zannah was able to fend off Sarro for a good amount of time.Suppose they had fought one-on-one, without Johun or anyone else. Would Zannah have been killed? Yes. Would she have instantly been cut down like wheat? No.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
It is not simply Sarro she's up against now, though: It's three experience blade masters accustomed to fighting in tandem. If Johun was a skilled as Sarro and the two were coordinated, do you think Zannah would have lasted a moment?
Maybe not, but the fact remains that in 1-1 combat Zannah was able to hold Sarro at bay without being killed instantly.
Besides those three-
a) Don't have the advantage of Battle Meditation.
b) Have plenty of experience fighting in tandem against droids, mercenaries etc and precisely zero experience fighting against Sith. Johun and Sarro would have experience fighting Sith during their apprenticeship while serving in Hoth's army. BoD Sith, but better than nothing.
Now I'll admit that between them they could kill Zannah, but I don't think it would happen immediately, seeing as her style is all about defence.
Plus she was able to briefly fend off an enraged Bane with absolutely no warning. She barely had time to draw and ignite her blades when he attacked.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Maybe not, but the fact remains that in 1-1 combat Zannah was able to hold Sarro at bay without being killed instantly.
Besides those three-a) Don't have the advantage of Battle Meditation.
b) Have plenty of experience fighting in tandem against droids, mercenaries etc and precisely zero experience fighting against Sith. Johun and Sarro would have experience fighting Sith during their apprenticeship while serving in Hoth's army. BoD Sith, but better than nothing.
Now I'll admit that between them they could kill Zannah, but I don't think it would happen immediately, seeing as her style is all about defence.
Plus she was able to briefly fend off an enraged Bane with absolutely no warning. She barely had time to draw and ignite her blades when he attacked.
All three of these Jedi are fast and strong. Zannah will raise her saber to block one blow and be cut down from behind. Are you honestly saying she can hang with this three anywhere near as long as she did against Johun and Sarro? Any one of them would have a decent chance of defeating her.
Sorry about the absence there guys, something mysterious appears to have happened to my phone line and I haven’t been able to access the internet.
Originally posted by Gideon
Oh, Jesus. Nebaris, you remind me a lot of Jeremey Hunsicker, who fronts a Journey tribute band called Frontiers.
Yeah, you know your joke's not going to end up funny when you spend half the time making it filling everyone in on the details of your favorite tribute band. Seriously Gideon, I can see why you might think that boring your opposition into submission might make up for the fact that you're getting your ass handed to you on the logic front, but sadly for you, even your chat up lines aren't quite dull enough to actually send me off to sleep and prevent me from replying, though, nice try, I have to say.
You try to make yourself well known, popular, and respected by parrotting someone who is ultimately more brilliant and more accomplished than yourself, as he attempts to mimic the great Steve Perry. See, I pointed out correctly how you continue to Google my name and various usernames and attempt to hack into my accounts for no other purpose than to become closer to me; everyone is aware of your stalker-esque obsessions.
Right, let’s compare.
1. You went on a secret Runescape quest to dig out information of my original hotmail account (that I don‘t even use), which at the point in time, wasn’t even in my user profile, leading one to believe that you went on quite the online adventure, only to go and add me to your buddies list, and after being added to mine (which was done out of pity), attempt to engage me in conversation only to give me the fright of my life upon seeing your face (as your display picture) on my computer screen (I mean seriously now, what next, webcam chats?).
2. You dedicated an entire thread to me on your sd.net account, in the debating advice forum (LOL), to not only advertise my brilliance, but ask for some advice at addressing one of our debates.
3. You dedicated your entire user profile to me, including a multitude of quotes, which undoubtedly involved mad time spent on the search function.
4. You follow me from thread to thread like a lost puppy dog, taking time out to research stuff you don’t know about on wikipedia just so you can address my argument, jump on Exodus’ post the moment he uses your favorite word to describe me, and of course, that’s not even taking into account the numerous rants you’ve made about my arguments in the past, as well as the numerous speeches you’ve made about how gifted my mind is and how great a lawyer you think I’d make.
Really dude, there’s the fact that most of the above was all done in secrecy, from the shadows, wearing nothing but your mother’s underwear, whereas all of my actions were all pointed out to you (by myself), and the entire forum, multiple times. Then, of course, there’s the fact that my actions were all minimal (googling a username takes seconds, and the password of your SD.Net account was - no joke - guessed on the second attempt (your KMC usernames naturally coming to me first, as an old username is the kind of password I‘d give a new one myself)), done when I was bored, with the purpose of bringing up sensitive information in a future debate with you (sensitive indeed), whereas making entire threads about me, dedicating your entire user profile to me, and searching for the email account I originally used to activate an account would undoubtedly take up hours of your time.
Lastly, we can of course look at your past behaviour, and your history of forming obsessions with the likes of Janus, Publius, and Darth Sexy, and conclude that being obsessed with somebody over the internet would be far more characteristic of you than it would be of me.
Really now, I don’t know if it’s love, bitterness, or jealousy, or, most likely, a combination of them all, but this internet crush isn’t cute anymore, and it’s getting quite pathetic.
And you turn around and attempt to call me obsessed?
In italics baby.
Please. At least Hunsicker realizes that Perry will always outshine him. You're like one of those obscenely twisted and psychotic fans who shot John Lennon and if it weren't for the fact that you spend all of your time in your mother's basement on these forums, I might be worried that you would try to kill me.
You seem to have a somewhat frightening knowledge of what takes place in my mother's basement. You're not hiding down there, are you?
Of course he didn't direct a passing word at me. He's much too frightened for a direct debate and prefers to Google from the shadows of his mother's basement.
You're absolutely correct, "he's" terrified of you. The point being, however, that he hardly went on vacation (though I can see why a weak might seem as much to someone with your level of KMC activity), and his very last posts and discussions weren’t even close to involving you.
It's not an implication.
You're right. Your own words were "what appears to be an implication." It's lesser than an implication. That's how shitty your argument is.
It's an observation. More duelists from the PT era are considered among the greatest ever than ones from the RoT era.
Unsubstantiated observations don't make arguments. Try again.
No comparison can be drawn and yet you're the one claiming that the RoT-era Jedi are obviously better.
Good Lord you're stupider than Sidi-Boy. You can't form a comparison between the two orders from the angle that you're comparing them. You can't form a conclusion out of a comparison between a piece of information and an absence of information. You can however, form conclusions out of comparisons of concrete facts. Which is what I've been doing; the numbers of the respective Jedi Order's, their warrior’s mentality, their sheer battle experience, the strength of the Light Side during their eras, and how specialised they were at fighting against opposing Force Users and Lightsaber practitioners are all concrete facts that can be compared, and you can form valid conclusions from such comparisons, which is exactly what I've been doing.
The AoL -- as common sense would dictate -- >>> the PT Order of Jedi.
That's a comparison. Or does basic logic elude you?
And I didn't say that no comparison could be drawn now, did I? Reserve the condescending tone for the people who you can legitimately direct it at.
This is what I refer to when I mention your double standards.
And this is what I refer to when I call you a moron.
You're pathetic, Nebaris, and you seem to forget that we do things my way around here. My way involves single standards. You conform or you lose. Hell, even if you did, chances are you'd still lose.
Gideon, the only time you're ever going to beat me is when logic loses. Don't delude yourself.
You can't improve perfection, Nebaris, thus I remain the same.
Ah, and there was me thinking that perfection was like stagnation in that way.
Not good enough.
You give yourself way woo much credit; your attempt there wasn't just "Not good enough," it was utter shit.
If what you say is true, then you can't claim that your interpretation is correct, either.
Are you ever going to understand the burden of proof? At least get a semblance of a handle over it? You made the claim that the quote was in reference to the PT Jedi Order's level of power; it's up to you to prove, conclusively, that that's all that the statement can be in allusion to; all I have to prove is that the statement isn't 100% conclusive, which it isn't, as I've established, and that the statement's completely inadmissible as evidence for your argument. Which is what I’ve done. You cannot prove anything out of the statement, ergo, it’s inadmissible as evidence. What exactly is so hard to understand about that?
Thus, if no comparison can be drawn, you can't conclude RoT-era Jedi are better. Another double standard.
You make Sidi-boy look like a winner.
Wrong, it means that the quote isn't referring to numbers or peace. Thus combat. Lucas > you.
Logic > Lucas > You. The growing strength of the darkside or the low number of Jedi doesn't conclusively tell you that the era couldn't have been the most relatively peaceful one there had ever been for the Jedi Order, or that it couldn't have been a part of what made the era "The Prime of the JedI," ergo, you have no point, and you cannot say that the statement isn't in reference to the relative level of peace during the era, and by extension, that the only interpretation of the quote is that the PT Jedi were the most combat effective Order of Jedi ever.
... This is getting way too easy.
Again, Palpatine dominated galactic politics through his networks and contacts under his own command and that of his alter ego, Darth Sidious. He was de facto galactic leader long before he ever claimed official leadership. Meaning that he was already directing the course of the galaxy. Meaning? It's not referring to peace.
That would be correct if Palpatine's long term plans and current machinations had been having a direct effect on the present level of peace throughout Republic space, to the point where the relative level of peace can't be said to be a possible interpretation (in part or as a whole) of the statement, which can't be said to be the case, and which you cannot prove. In other words, you still don't have a point.
LOL. Beginning counts for two hundred years? You've reached new levels of depressingly impotent, Nebaris.
Gideon, Global Champion of Sarcasm: where the dark side of the Force was beginning to take dominance.
Taven, Protecter of the Realm of Edenia: Beginning.
Gideon, Global Champion of Sarcasm: According to Labyrinth of Evil, the dark side had been gaining strength for two hundred years prior to the events of that particular story, in preparation for the advent of Darth Sidious.
Taven, Protecter of the Realm of Edenia: Again, my point being that the dark side hadn't yet completely taken dominance. The key word - "Beginning" would usually have indicated as much. Not that it matters, as again, this in no way undermines the idea that it was the Prime of the Jedi purely because of how peaceful the era was.
Gideon, Global Champion of Sarcasm: LOL. Beginning counts for two hundred years? You've reached new levels of depressingly impotent, Nebaris. The dark side was rising for two hundred years for the preparation of Palpatine. Meaning? It's not referring to peace.
1. Firstly, you're contradicting yourself like a moron, using the very word in the given context, only to go and then argue against its application in the text later on.
2. Secondly, the word "Beginning," when used in the Past Progressive Tense, by definition, represents an ongoing and not yet completed action. The 200 years is irrelevant, as it was still taking place and not yet completed, and thus, my application of the word (and your's as well, at least for a second or two) was correct.
The dark side was rising for two hundred years for the preparation of Palpatine. Meaning? It's not referring to peace.
Only if it can be proven that the growing strength of the darkside had such a direct effect on the relative level of peace that would deny the idea that as much was an allusion of the Jedi being stated to be in their prime. And it can't, meaning, I'm still right in saying that you cannot conclusively argue that the statement is in reference to combat prowess and personal power. Meaning, the quote can’t be used as evidence, and you still have no point.
Palpatine's rise to power, the Jedi's dwindling numbers, the dark side's ascension,
Already addressed, and thoroughly destroyed.
the Stark Hyperspace War,
A single conflict that didn't last for more than a year, was almost entirely limited to a single star system, and involved a minimal number of Jedi? That's supposed to undermine the era's relative level of peace, with respect to the Republic and Jedi Order and the entire era? You're officially a joke.
various diplomatic disputes = no peace.
How elaborate. Now, quantify the scope of these disputes, and substantiate how it undermines the idea that the interpretation of the GL issued statement that I provided could be the correct one.
Now really Gideon, perhaps next time you wish to start an engagement, you should do so via a private message or something, because your mediocrity is being exposed to the entire forum, and you’re becoming easier to manhandle than our friend Sidi-Boy here.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Why would she be able to? She never uses it against a prepared fighter, let alone when she's fighting for her life
As Kas'im reveals in PoD, when a Force User enters a close combat confrontation, they immediately put up a Force Shield, so as to prevent the enemy from directing a sudden attack at them, or using the Force to mess with their weapons, which would mean that Zannah would have still had to break through Sarro's defences to harm him with her sorcery, and she did so with ease.
That is irrelevant as she is nothing fighting one on one here
It's not irrelevant, it was still an expression of ability, irregardless of the fact that it was displayed in a slightly different situation.
They've never needed it, it would seem
Well I don't know, it might have come in handy that time that Sidious owned all their asses in seconds.
They're both rather young men. When would they have fought Sith in the war? Any Sith would've made short work of Johun "I can't even beat a Twi'lek assassin" Othone.
Given the sheer number of Sith, the fact that the war was fought almost exclusively between the Jedi and Sith, and the fact that war was described as near constant and almost a day to day thing, it would have been extremely unlikely that they would have never come across Sith before. And even if they hadn't, Sarro was still one of the very most combat effective Jedi of his time, putting him above an entire legion of Jedi who would have received battle experience against the Sith.
All three of these guys are war veterans several times over,
War veterans several times over? They only ever thought in the Clone Wars, a war that lasted three years, one that saw minimal action against the Sith and Dark Jedi, and one where Jedi were known to act as Generals behind the scenes (and in Saesee's case, fight the Seperatists from the seat of his star fighter).
extremely skilled,
Very true, though I'll point out that that's the only area that any of them were shown to shine in. On the other other hand, their combat training was focused almost exclusively around combating battle droids and mercenaries, and their experience against Dark Jedi/Sith was virtually nonexistent.
fast,
Hopeful assumption. All that we can say about them is that they were technically extremely gifted.
strong in the force
Hopeful assumption. All that we can say about them is that they were technically extremely gifted.
and again, accustomed to fighting in tandem.
Against a single, Force Sensitive lightsaber practitioner? Not so much. There's also the fact that the single time they were up against such an opponent, they displayed some of the poorest judgement a team of Jedi has yet, when they simply allowed Palpatine to make the first move. To prevent Zannah from directing her sorcery at them, they would have to initiate combat in a heartbeat, and from what they've displayed, they're nowhere near as impulsive as that.
HOW is she going to defend against three of the best blademasters the Order has ever seen for more than an instant?
Constantly move around, work around them and limit them from fighting her as a group?
If Zannah didn't think Bane would throw himself at her when the Umbarans and Hetton were dead she was a fool. Add that to Bane being so enraged, he'd lost his head.
Well that's exactly what she didn't think would happen, as she expresses herself, so CM's point still stands, but out of curiosity, how would that make her a fool? How was she to expect Bane to go off on her like that? From her perspective, Bane would have been far more likely to ask her why she'd betrayed him or what was going on before jumping her like that. Bane's a rational man, and Zannah would have only expected him to react in such a way. She was, after all, completely neutral throughout the entire battle, and just as passive by the end of it; it's not like she was forcing Bane to act.
All three of these Jedi are fast and strong. Zannah will raise her saber to block one blow and be cut down from behind.
Right, because deadly duels between Force users have always proven to be that straightforward.
Are you honestly saying she can hang with this three anywhere near as long as she did against Johun and Sarro?
Unlike Sarro [and Johun, though he doesn't really count], the Jedi Masters can't be said to be anywhere near as impulsive as to prevent her from directing her Sith Magic at them and taking them down one by one, and unlike Sarro [and Johun], they won't be boosted tremendously by Battle Meditation. They also can't be said to be familiar with her style of lightsaber, nor can they be said to have been trained to combat someone like Zannah, or to have experienced it. They also can't be said to be anything but average in any area other than their technical ability.
Any one of them would have a decent chance of defeating her.
Laughable. She's miles beyond all of them in Force ability (which Yoda and Kas'im, the two biggest authorities on lightsaber combat, have declared the real key to victory in a lightsaber confrontation), and wields a weapon they can't be said to be familiar with (which would in part negate their technical superiority). She would defeat any of them in lightsaber combat, own all three of them in a Force contest, and defeat them all in an all out confrontation, albeit in a potentially close battle.
Originally posted by Taven
As Kas'im reveals in PoD, when a Force User enters a close combat confrontation, they immediately put up a Force Shield, so as to prevent the enemy from directing a sudden attack at them, or using the Force to mess with their weapons, which would mean that Zannah would have still had to break through Sarro's defences to harm him with her sorcery, and she did so with ease.
It's not irrelevant, it was still an expression of ability, irregardless of the fact that it was displayed in a slightly different situation.
Well I don't know, it might have come in handy that time that Sidious owned all their asses in seconds.
Given the sheer number of Sith, the fact that the war was fought almost exclusively between the Jedi and Sith, and the fact that war was described as near constant and almost a day to day thing, it would have been extremely unlikely that they would have never come across Sith before. And even if they hadn't, Sarro was still one of the very most combat effective Jedi of his time, putting him above an entire legion of Jedi who would have received battle experience against the Sith.
War veterans several times over? They only ever thought in the Clone Wars, a war that lasted three years, one that saw minimal action against the Sith and Dark Jedi, and one where Jedi were known to act as Generals behind the scenes (and in Saesee's case, fight the Seperatists from the seat of his star fighter).
Very true, though I'll point out that that's the only area that any of them were shown to shine in. On the other other hand, their combat training was focused almost exclusively around combating battle droids and mercenaries, and their experience against Dark Jedi/Sith was virtually nonexistent.
Hopeful assumption. All that we can say about them is that they were technically extremely gifted.
Hopeful assumption. All that we can say about them is that they were technically extremely gifted.
Against a single, Force Sensitive lightsaber practitioner? Not so much. There's also the fact that the single time they were up against such an opponent, they displayed some of the poorest judgement a team of Jedi has yet, when they simply allowed Palpatine to make the first move. To prevent Zannah from directing her sorcery at them, they would have to initiate combat in a heartbeat, and from what they've displayed, they're nowhere near as impulsive as that.
Constantly move around, work around them and limit them from fighting her as a group?
Well that's exactly what she didn't think would happen, as she expresses herself, so CM's point still stands, but out of curiosity, how would that make her a fool? How was she to expect Bane to go off on her like that? From her perspective, Bane would have been far more likely to ask her why she'd betrayed him or what was going on before jumping her like that. Bane's a rational man, and Zannah would have only expected him to react in such a way. She was, after all, completely neutral throughout the entire battle, and just as passive by the end of it; it's not like she was forcing Bane to act.
Right, because deadly duels between Force users have always proven to be that straightforward.
Unlike Sarro [and Johun, though he doesn't really count], the Jedi Masters can't be said to be anywhere near as impulsive as to prevent her from directing her Sith Magic at them and taking them down one by one, and unlike Sarro [and Johun], they won't be boosted tremendously by Battle Meditation. They also can't be said to be familiar with her style of lightsaber, nor can they be said to have been trained to combat someone like Zannah, or to have experienced it. They also can't be said to be anything but average in any area other than their technical ability.
Laughable. She's miles beyond all of them in Force ability (which Yoda and Kas'im, the two biggest authorities on lightsaber combat, have declared the real key to victory in a lightsaber confrontation),
and wields a weapon they can't be said to be familiar with (which would in part negate their technical superiority).
She would defeat any of them in lightsaber combat, own all three of them in a Force contest, and defeat them all in an all out confrontation, albeit in a potentially close battle.
Frankly put, though: You're such a sad little fanboy.
Tisk, tisk, Nebaris.
This is the predicament before us, regarding the banter: you think you're funny and I'm not, I think I'm funny and you're not, and even if we ignore the fact that I'm greater than you in all virtues (I say virtues because, have no fear, you remain unmitigated in your accomplishments in stalking and delusion), we have the fact that only one of us here has ever been lauded, praised, and admired for his wit. That would be me. The other person in this scenario has only been mocked and ridiculed for it. Oh, except for Darth Exodus. He happens to like you, though it seems you have a great deal in common. Your mother called to tell me that when you two get together for sleep overs and washes the sheets, she finds curious stains on them, plus the crumpled cover of Path of Destruction and Rule of Two. And not only does she find you unfunny, but she also happens to consider you an abomination, a mistake. A cosmic reminder why sometimes, killing infants is the right thing. Translation: you can't keep up with the banter and revert to "LULZ I R FUNNY BUT U R NOT!" and everyone is inclined to disagree with you and agree with me.
The predicament before us regarding the logic is much simpler: I have a quote issued from George Lucas that the prequel trilogy is the prime of the Jedi. You say it refers to peace; I prove that the dark side had been in ascension for two hundred years and Palpatine's rise to power (as well as the Clone Wars) were on the brink. Furthermore, a reference to the trilogy does not just apply to its first movie. Meanwhile, even if it did refer to peace (which it doesn't), what does that mean? The Golden Age of the Sith was in a time where the Republic had no idea where they were, an age of relative peace. Ergo, they must suck? LOL, you laud and praise their feats even now. Concluding, there are more documented upper tier Jedi and Force users in the prequel trilogy era than any other. So, your juvenile demands to "LULZ SUBSTANTIATE" everything are being drowned out.
Raise your game or get off the court. Don't expect responses from the rest of us until you hold your end of this game. But given your dreadful win/loss ratio, I'm not holding my breath.
Originally posted by Gideon
Tisk, tisk, Nebaris.This is the predicament before us, regarding the banter: you think you're funny and I'm not, I think I'm funny and you're not, and even if we ignore the fact that I'm greater than you in all virtues (I say virtues because, have no fear, you remain unmitigated in your accomplishments in stalking and delusion), we have the fact that only one of us here has ever been lauded, praised, and admired for his wit. That would be me. The other person in this scenario has only been mocked and ridiculed for it. Oh, except for Darth Exodus. He happens to like you, though it seems you have a great deal in common. Your mother called to tell me that when you two get together for sleep overs and washes the sheets, she finds curious stains on them, plus the crumpled cover of Path of Destruction and Rule of Two. And not only does she find you unfunny, but she also happens to consider you an abomination, a mistake. A cosmic reminder why sometimes, killing infants is the right thing. Translation: you can't keep up with the banter and revert to "LULZ I R FUNNY BUT U R NOT!" and everyone is inclined to disagree with you and agree with me.
The predicament before us regarding the logic is much simpler: I have a quote issued from George Lucas that the prequel trilogy is the prime of the Jedi. You say it refers to peace; I prove that the dark side had been in ascension for two hundred years and Palpatine's rise to power (as well as the Clone Wars) were on the brink. Furthermore, a reference to the trilogy does not just apply to its first movie. Meanwhile, even if it did refer to peace (which it doesn't), what does that mean? The Golden Age of the Sith was in a time where the Republic had no idea where they were, an age of relative peace. Ergo, they must suck? LOL, you laud and praise their feats even now. Concluding, there are more documented upper tier Jedi and Force users in the prequel trilogy era than any other. So, your juvenile demands to "LULZ SUBSTANTIATE" everything are being drowned out.
Raise your game or get off the court. Don't expect responses from the rest of us until you hold your end of this game. But given your dreadful win/loss ratio, I'm not holding my breath.
God DAMN... I must've been gone longer than I thought. When i was last here, you were saying that we should be respectful and not bash him so much. Not calling you a hypocrite though, as I'm sure he did something to provoke such an attack. Just a shocking turn of events is all. Good to see you in such rare form though.
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
God DAMN... I must've been gone longer than I thought. When i was last here, you were saying that we should be respectful and not bash him so much. Not calling you a hypocrite though, as I'm sure he did something to provoke such an attack. Just a shocking turn of events is all. Good to see you in such rare form though.
To clarify, I've never been a proponent (nor have I ever implied as much) of unconditional etiquette and respect. It is conditional and the condition is that one's opponent must demonstrate the same respect or, at least, be deserving of it. Moreso than anyone on these forums, Nebaris has repeatedly demonstrated that he lives to post on these forums. He's ass deep in double digits in terms of how many accounts he's made and he refuses to leave; people who have lives would have given up a long time ago, even if they were bound by some sort of inferiority complex or vendetta. That is why no one has any respect for him here, because when he comes back, he tries to take a page out of someone else's book and present himself as something truly formidable. But instead of being impressed, we're like "Damn, you're annoying". He then criticises other people on what they do with their time, but why? No one here has come close to embodying the depth of truly pathetic as he has. And then there's that whole issue that the guy has been stalking me via the internet. For what purpose? His jokes are deplorable, an insult to comedy in general, and no one here (with the exception of Exodus) finds him amusing. Even asses like the legendary Dr. House or Alan Shore might be disliked, but they are respected and admired for their wit. Nebaris can't even accomplish that. He has no accolades to speak of.
You heard him, his excuse for one of his absences? The internet was down. Not "Oh, I've suddenly found a life" or "I went outside". He has no schedule or timeframe outside of his computer.
He'll come back with the same predictable diatribe, though. Once he summons the courage.