Originally posted by Raoul
possibly, but then he'd have to find his size, and tights like batman's probably make frank's ass look fat, so he could have some real trouble being a convincing batman...
Not to mention Joker would recognize that he is not Batman just by watching him in action, similar to how he did with Azrael.
Originally posted by Raoul
lulz at frank luring out the joker... whats he gonna do, buy a batman costume from the local marvel costume shop?
Apparently Batgirl psyched out Joker by saying his Jokes weren't funny. Jason Todd upset The Joker by saying he wasn't even that crazy.
Joker doesnt like having his insanity questioned, Frank can do the same.
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Originally posted by Obsidian FuryHow exactly did he outsmart them? Did he ramble their brains out with scientific and strategical talk? Did he see trough their plans and countered them with a more intellectual one? Did he create some type of device or something that could outpower them? Or did he perhaps reach them without that being their intentions?
Saying he outsmarted Dr. Doom and Reed Richards is a big thing to say. What exactly did he do in respective scenario?
Doom sent his Doombots to kill him and Frank survived I also know that he stole from Dr Doom and Blackmailed him.
As for the High Evolutinary he sent his Eliminators after Frank to kill him, thats just as predictable as alot of methods thats Joker has used. HE trained the guys, he equipped them and it was his plan to kill Punsiher and he failed so in that sense he outsmarted him.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
http://img86.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmanthekillingjoke396ot.jpgIve never seen a villain do this before. Wow Joker brainwashed somebody... 😬
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Toy robots. What theres nobody in the history of marvel that has ever used toy robots before?
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How is that unpredictable?
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None of the above are particulary unpredictable.
Furthermore in The Civil War Captain America decided to use Punishers prep instead of his own, that argubaly makes him better at prep than Captain America. You're not going to seriously tell me that Joker is going to own the hell out of Captain America, a guy whos arch nemesis is the Red Skull whos caused The Avengers hell and has been a universal threat twice? What Joker is smarter than Captain America and Joker now?
What about all the other people who are not as good as Batman at prep that have outsmarted The Joker such as Jason Todd and Batgirl? Hell im pretty sure if Black Widow can outsmart a computer that fooled the whole of SHIELD she has a good chance of out preping Joker, but a taskforce of her Daredevil, Moon Knight, Shang Chi and Dagger were not able to track him down and in fact Punisher had them under survillance and they didn't even know.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Doom sent his Doombots to kill him and Frank survived I also know that he stole from Dr Doom and Blackmailed him.As for the High Evolutinary he sent his Eliminators after Frank to kill him, thats just as predictable as alot of methods thats Joker has used. HE trained the guys, he equipped them and it was his plan to kill Punsiher and he failed so in that sense he outsmarted him.
Oh .... wow .... You know that Black Cat was able to steal from Dr. Doom as well? Does that make her smarter?
Having Doombots chasing you is far from the same thing as having Dr. Doom himself going after you. The fact that he outsmarted bots is not all that impressive, really.
Blackmailing does not require much brain muscles. All you have to do is reach a sore point of someone and it is all settled. I have seen people like Batman and Superman be blackmailed by simpletons that actually have no superiority over them in strength or brain. Blackmailing does not make someone smarter. Tell me, with what did he blackmail Dr. Doom and how did it all end? Did Dr. Doom give into it and was then utterly defeated by Frank?
So surviving an attack is outsmarting someone? I guess Punisher has been outsmarted a lot of times then. Joker has definately outsmarted Batman then. Black Cat outsmarted Dr. Doom. Spider-Man outsmarted Dr. Doom. Weatherwizard outsmarted Superman. Chief Gordon outsmarted the Joker. Aunt May outsmarted Dr. Occtupus.
A random thug once escaped Batman, so by default, Batman was outsmarted?
Your definition of "outsmarting" is a strange one.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Oh .... wow .... You know that Black Cat was able to steal from Dr. Doom as well? Does that make her smarter?
Nope but it proves that she can escape his traps that he designed and thats all that matters. It also proves that she could beat The Joker.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Having Doombots chasing you is far from the same thing as having Dr. Doom himself going after you. The fact that he outsmarted bots is not all that impressive, really.
Yeah then Joker building a trap is not like actually fighting Joker himself either. Did Doom design the robots, did Doom create the plan, so yes it is outsmarting him because it was his plan and he failed to suceed.
What it proves is that he can stop Doom from killing him but it does not prove that he knows more about nuclear physics.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Blackmailing does not require much brain muscles. All you have to do is reach a sore point of someone and it is all settled. I have seen people like Batman and Superman be blackmailed by simpletons that actually have no superiority over them in strength or brain. Blackmailing does not make someone smarter.
Er he stole from him and blackmailed him. Superman and Batman are superheroes they dont kill. However if a villian is blackmailed and he is able to take his property back from the blackmailer without giving into his demands he would. Dr Doom didn't.
I don't know what you're defintion of smarter is but if you can blackmail a an intelligent superhero it means you could hurt them with prep regardless if they know more abotu science.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
So surviving an attack is outsmarting someone? I guess Punisher has been outsmarted a lot of times then. Joker has definately outsmarted Batman then. Black Cat outsmarted Dr. Doom. Spider-Man outsmarted Dr. Doom. Weatherwizard outsmarted Superman. Chief Gordon outsmarted the Joker. Aunt May outsmarted Dr. Occtupus.
Well if you're going to take what im saying out of context then thats fine. If a villain sets a plan in motion and the hero survives the plan that he executed then yes thats outsmarting him. Planning needs intelligence.
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
A random thug once escaped Batman, so by default, Batman was outsmarted?
depends on how he did it
Originally posted by Obsidian Fury
Your definition of "outsmarting" is a saddening sight to see.
Well first of all you're taking liberties with my examples secondly you ignored my other examples unpurpose.
I mentioned how Captain America went with Franks plan instead of his own and im pretty sure you know that Cap is one of the best strategists in Marvel.
You also ignored the fact that Batgirl and Jason Todd have beaten The Joker but instead you just twisted my examples and insulted me.
You also did not address this
Hell im pretty sure if Black Widow can outsmart a computer that fooled the whole of SHIELD she has a good chance of out preping Joker, but a taskforce of her Daredevil, Moon Knight, Shang Chi and Dagger were not able to track him down and in fact Punisher had them under survillance and they didn't even know.
Black Widow outsmarted the computer by escaping its death traps and shutting it down.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAnd how would frank know to do this? 🙄
Apparently Batgirl psyched out Joker by saying his Jokes weren't funny. Jason Todd upset The Joker by saying he wasn't even that crazy.Joker doesnt like having his insanity questioned, Frank can do the same.
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Originally posted by Phantom ZoneSMvsFL ...Sorry, Frank is NOT smarter than either of those two.
Doom sent his Doombots to kill him and Frank survived I also know that he stole from Dr Doom and Blackmailed him.As for the High Evolutinary he sent his Eliminators after Frank to kill him, thats just as predictable as alot of methods thats Joker has used. HE trained the guys, he equipped them and it was his plan to kill Punsiher and he failed so in that sense he outsmarted him.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneReaching...
None of the above are particulary unpredictable.Furthermore in The Civil War Captain America decided to use Punishers prep instead of his own, that argubaly makes him better at prep than Captain America.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneSure, joker's smarter than the joker. 🙄
You're not going to seriously tell me that Joker is going to own the hell out of Captain America, a guy whos arch nemesis is the Red Skull whos caused The Avengers hell and has been a universal threat twice? What Joker is smarter than Captain America and Joker now?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneCircular reasoning fallacy.
What about all the other people who are not as good as Batman at prep that have outsmarted The Joker such as Jason Todd and Batgirl? Hell im pretty sure if Black Widow can outsmart a computer that fooled the whole of SHIELD she has a good chance of out preping Joker, but a taskforce of her Daredevil, Moon Knight, Shang Chi and Dagger were not able to track him down and in fact Punisher had them under survillance and they didn't even know.
This fight can go either way, to say one wins more than 8/10 is showing that person does not know or respect the abilities of the other character, they both are among the most dangerous humans in their respected worlds, both have excellent preparation skills, and both are extremely experienced in what they do. The joker's unpredictability and insanity will be a problem for frank, but frank is no slouch due to his to his experience, determination, and tactical brilliance. I really find it hard to give either one the advantage, they are both so careful and precise (there is order to joker's chaos) it is hard to say who will come out on top more times. I say its a toss up for me at the moment.
