Sabretooth vs Cyclops

Started by KharmaDog13 pages

Originally posted by Creshosk
They can for brief periods of time.

But part of that trick is moving faster than the brain can process them moving rather than moving faster than the eye can actually see the person.

So are we saying that they can actually move faster than the speed of thought?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
So are we saying that they can actually move faster than the speed of thought?
For brief periods of time, yes. Wolverine at least has pulled off some movements in front of armed soldiers and they couldn't track what he did, or even him.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
So are we saying that they can actually move faster than the speed of thought?

he done so a number of times.............

From the respect thread:

Originally posted by jinzin
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[B]Wolverine Moves Faster Than The Human Eye Can Follow

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Wolverine moves faster than Mac Hudson can comprehend:
1. http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/6031/fastgl6.jpg

When Wolverine is freed from mind control, his vengeance is faster than the human eye can follow:
1. http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6444/namortoofastzm2.jpg
2. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3582/namortoofast2tw4.jpg

Wolverine and Sabretooth are capable of moving nearly faster than Psylockes mind can follow/track:
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

A host of men shoot at Wolverine; He moves so fast to avoid the gunfire that it appears as if he's vanished:
1. http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/3725/speedbarvw6.jpg

Wolverine attacks a thug. He speedblitzes the man before he can use his trigger finger and his claws come out but he retracts them before the punch, faster than anyone recognizes.
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8892/speedhelennb3.jpg
2. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5967/speedhelen2ak9.jpg

Wolverine moves faster than the eye can see do destroy a danger room robot:
1. http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpg

The prime sentinal model moves too fast for scott summers to even track; Wolverine however is fast enough to dodge his lasers AND deal with him accordingly:
1. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3834/vnewsentinalfl6.jpg
2. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1060/vnewsentinal2sy1.jpg

Wolverine cuts off Giests entire skin tight bionic suit in the time it takes him to say a nice clean shave: Not only did he do it faster than hell, but Giest doesn't even register that Logan even touched him:
1. http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
2. http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpg

Wolverine rips the suit off of Doc Samson before he could even put up a defense, Simon’s under mind control, but still an impressive showing of
comparative speed; which objectively speaking wasn’t affected by the mind control in other subjects of the same arc:
1. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/892/samsonripdp5.jpg
2. http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6002/samsonrip2od2.jpg

(non 616) Wolverine and Sabretooth speedblitze around Havoc for a full on conversation:
1. http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8189/speedblitze2si8.jpg

Wolverine cut's the barrels off of multiple guns so fast that the gunmen aren't even aware of what's just happened:
1. http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9347/wolverine18220lowresrb7.jpg
2. http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2038/fasttthp5.jpg

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With storm zipping around at a decent speed, Wolverine doesn't even have to look at her to cut the cape from her shoulders without touching her:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7452/uxm178pg03lowresym9.jpg

Sabretooth get's speedblitzed in his first encounter with the Native:
1. http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6002/wolverinev3013p08zz1fe1.jpg
2. http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4099/wolverinev3013p09xd2yg4.jpg
3. http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5549/wolverinev3013p10qv4ky8.jpg
However Wolverine's able to keep up with her superhuman speed in combat:
1. http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3000/wolverinev314pyratedcppmf3.jpg

Wolverine uses his impressive speed to make way to a wall, cut out a square from the wall and use it to catch nightcrawler; This also double stands as an example of Wolverine's impressive strength:
1. http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7726/elfcatchinlv7.jpg

Wolverine and x-23 do the after-image thang:
1. http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7895/x235go7.png

Wolverine blitzes a group of men through some trees and runs off carrying Archie so fast that no one’s even able to get off a shot on him before he disappears:
1. http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6117/archieblitzeee0.jpg

The Hunter in Darkness creature is too fast for James and Heather Hudson usng their Vindicator suits.. But not for Wolverine:
1. http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/2825/huntertoofastcm2.jpg
2. http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4834/huntertoofast2mj0.jpg

The last guy who tried to use this battle suit got nailed by one of the Hunters because they were too fast: But Wolverine's reflexes can deal:
1. http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/833/reflexes5hindge1.jpg
2. http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3380/huntertoofast3uw9.jpg
2. http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3697/suitju1.jpg
4. http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/4363/reflexes7hindop7.jpg

Wolverine moves from the second base to the outfield in a split second and catches a baseball with his middle claw before it can clock a day dreaming Storm.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Speed/UncannyX-Men37906Speed.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Speed/UncannyX-Men37907Speed.jpg

Wolverine manages to deflect a spear thrown by Dracula that is only feet away from Cyclops even though Wolverine starts out from behind Cyclops' body... and one imagines Dracula can throw a pretty mean spear.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Speed/UncannyX-MenAnnual0627Speed.jpg

Wolverine uses his sheer speed to save the X-Men from a rampant Danger Room:
1. http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/8098/savesxmenindangerroomtf8.jpg

Wolverine has to dodge and avoid the blows of a village full of fighters skilled enough to kill him with one blow:
1. http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7449/villlagetm0.jpg

Magma throws a blast in Wolverine's direction, he vanishes before it even hits the drapes that were in front of him:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6965/magmasblastspeedwg0.jpg

Bats an incoming speedball away without even looking:
1. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/948/speedballfj1mw3.jpg

Okay this feat is insane; Not only does Wolverine tag speed demon but if you look at the panel above that, he's right behind speed demon's straight sprint flipping and bounding and he isn't losing much ground 😐 . :
1. http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1830/strategyte6.jpg

Wolverine teaching Kitty Pride some various fighting skills utterly dismantle's two metallic practice dummies; And he does it in an estimated two seconds:
1. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6633/twosecondstt9.jpg
2. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4643/twoseconds3cd9.jpg
3. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5056/twoseconds2sy3.jpg

Blade basically equates Wolverine's speed to be much faster than a human, and suggests he's faster than vampires as well:
1. http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8333/bladexg0.jpg
2. http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7841/blade7dh3.jpg

Wolverine blitzes a Brood Queen infested Xavier with his mental powers before she can defend herself from his attack… Though, she does catch him with a psy-bolt on his descent:
1. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5900/xavierbroodkb0.jpg
2. http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/9388/xavierbrood2qs0.jpg
3. http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5360/xavierbrood3pu0.jpg
4. http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8679/xavierbrood4ep4.jpg [/B]

O.k. if they've written it, then I have to cede the point...

But is anyone else getting sick of the continual amping up of wolverine? They might as well make him a herald level character.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
O.k. if they've written it, then I have to cede the point...

But is anyone else getting sick of the continual amping up of wolverine? They might as well make him a herald level character.


what? he been doing this sinces like day one...........your not a big wolverine reader are you? or at all?

Originally posted by KharmaDog
O.k. if they've written it, then I have to cede the point...

But is anyone else getting sick of the continual amping up of wolverine? They might as well make him a herald level character.

Do you have any idea how old some of those scans are?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what? he been doing this sinces like day one...........your not a big wolverine reader are you? or at all?

I used to enjoy the character when he first came out. But I will admit that I haven't voluntarily paid much attention to him. He'll always be one of the characters that I think could have been so much more than he is. But look how popular he is...so I guess my opinion means sh*t.

Originally posted by KharmaDog
I used to enjoy the character when he first came out. But I will admit that I haven't voluntarily paid much attention to him. He'll always be one of the characters that I think could have been so much more than he is. But look how popular he is...so I guess my opinion means sh*t.
alot of ppl liked the hairy runt better when he was more 'human' and less god

Originally posted by Starscream M
alot of ppl liked the hairy runt better when he was more 'human' and less god
Alot of people liked the hairy runt better when they didn't understand the character.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Alot of people liked the hairy runt better when they didn't understand the character.
uh no...logan's been dramatically changed in the recent coupla years

even srank doesn't like his recent characterizations in origins

logan from the past 2 decades is almost a different character than he is nowadays

Originally posted by Starscream M
uh no...logan's been dramatically changed in the recent coupla years

even srank doesn't like his recent characterizations in origins

logan from the past 2 decades is almost a different character than he is nowadays

srank just didn't like how he was portrayed in Origins, not how he is shown as a whole.

Originally posted by Starscream M
uh no...logan's been dramatically changed in the recent coupla years

even srank doesn't like his recent characterizations in origins


No really.

yes becuases it makes Logan to be a criminal. Thats why and the fact it just sucks story wises for the most part.

nothing to do with the character abilities.

Originally posted by Starscream M
logan from the past 2 decades is almost a different character than he is nowadays

No he not............which is not surprizing coming from a man who does not read wolverine.

Originally posted by Battlehammer

No he not............which is not surprizing coming from a man who does not read wolverine.

so you're actually gonna sit there and tell me that logan hasn't been changed dramatically the past decade? unbelievable

the logan of the past would not have survived a nuke blast, or falling into molten steel and walking away

the logan of the past was not an agent of god and did not battle angels to come back to life

etc etc

Originally posted by Starscream M
so you're actually gonna sit there and tell me that logan hasn't been changed dramatically the past decade? unbelievable

the logan of the past would not have survived a nuke blast, or falling into molten steel and walking away

the logan of the past was not an agent of god and did not battle angels to come back to life

etc etc

Got proof?

You know, that those things would have killed him?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Got proof?

You know, that those things would have killed him?

Not that I agree with Starscream, but do you really believe that is a valid question to ask?

Do you have proof that a galaxy destroying blast could kill Wolverine?

Originally posted by Mindset
Not that I agree with Starscream, but do you really believe that is a valid question to ask?

Do you have proof that a galaxy destroying blast could kill Wolverine?

He makes a claim I challegne it.

He claimed that wolverine was changed, he was challenged, he cited examples, now those examples are challenged.

Its a pretty simple process.

In my oppinion we have had some of the best Wolverine stories EVER in the past two years.

Jason Arron's run? Amazing.
Jason Arron's fill in issue Wolverine v3 51? Amazing.
BKV's three issue Logan? Amazing.
Stuart Moore's Logan and Cub fill in issue Wolverine v3 41? Amazing.
Wolverine v3 Annual 01? Amazing (the story at least - people don't like the molten metal feat though)
Wolverine First Class has been alot of Classic Uncanny X-Men fun.
Old Man Logan has a lot of potential... I think the silliness will overpower the dire and somber mode the story should have, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

Now Origins is just awful and Wolverine's main book has been for awhile but its picking up, but almost all of Wolverine's recent one shots have had at least one good story in them. You know what I thought the last genuinly good (not fun and action pacted but good) Wolverine arch was before Jason Arron's? Warren Ellis' Not Dead Yet... and that was 10 years ago!!! In spite of Wolverine Origins (which is one of the worst pieces of garabage ever to run through a printing press), Wolverine has never, NEVER, been in this good of shape. Some of his stories in the last few years have been fantastic.

Originally posted by Creshosk
He makes a claim I challegne it.

He claimed that wolverine was changed, he was challenged, he cited examples, now those examples are challenged.

Its a pretty simple process.

A pretty simple erroneous process.

Answer my question, do you have proof that a galaxy destroying blast could kill Wolverine?

Originally posted by Mindset
A pretty simple erroneous process.

Answer my question, do you have proof that a galaxy destroying blast could kill Wolverine?

Do you have a valid reason I should answer this strawman?