Originally posted by srankmissingninAh damn.. my bad...
It was in Wolverine's normal book actually. 🙁
Can I still write it off as stupid explanations by writers? Up there with "Clark slouches" or "Clark vibrates his facial features"?
Cause we all know that he's still going to be immortal. He's still going to be punched by bricks which should kill him, he's still going to be shot and survive and so on and so forth.
Originally posted by srankmissingninYou know I'm trying to help you out here... Hell I'm willing to sacrifice New Warriors continuity to help you out but if you're going to undermine my shenanigans then I really can't help your efforts too much. 😂
It ties into to Wolverine's main title, which ties into X-Men. It is also crossing over with X-Men Legacy.It is 616 canon... but we should write it off.
Originally posted by Creshoskstupid explanation is better than no explanation at least
Ah damn.. my bad...Can I still write it off as stupid explanations by writers? Up there with "Clark slouches" or "Clark vibrates his facial features"?
Cause we all know that he's still going to be immortal. He's still going to be punched by bricks which should kill him, he's still going to be shot and survive and so on and so forth.
Originally posted by Creshosk
CAn you tell me how its storyline fits into the timeline of the other books wolverine appears in?New Avengers and AXM for example?
Doesn't matter. This isn't a method of evasion - it really just isn't relevant. Cross-comic appearances are inconsistent. Always. That does not make them non-canon. Superman can be stuck in the 31st Century for a few days in Action, and be simultaneously fighting the Injustice League alongside the JLA, and be on the moon fighting the insect queen in Superman. All three events happened simultaneously in real-world time. The order in which they took place in fiction, and how they tied together doesn't really matter. DC says they all happened, they all happened.
Danny Rand can be in K'un Lun participating in an other-worldly Kung Fu tournament while simultaneously fighting the Hood (and, of course, finding time to put on that ridiculous collar in between the two). Both events happened simultaneously in real-time. The order in which they took place in fiction and how they tie together really does not matter. Marvel says they both happened, they both happened.
Wolverine can be off in space with AXM, fighting in Civil War with the New Avengers, searching for Romulus in Origins, and in Afghanistan looking for Mystique in Wolverine. All of these events happened simultaneously in real-time. The order in which they took place in fiction and how they tie together does not matter. Marvel says that Wolverine was in five places doing ten things with eighty different people....he was.
Hell, it's possible that Wolverine Origins is 616, but out of 'sync' with continuity - the same way Superman/Batman still represents canon adventures featuring the relationship between Superman and Batman, but does not really pay any attention to current events in DC.
Originally posted by Creshosk
You know I'm trying to help you out here... Hell I'm willing to sacrifice New Warriors continuity to help you out but if you're going to undermine my shenanigans then I really can't help your efforts too much. 😂
😮
Sorry I underminded you. 🙁
I was never trying to suggest it wasn't canon though. It is... but who care? It is such an unmitigated piece of trash it should be disguard anyway.
Originally posted by Creshoskeh....I guess I have a personal peeve with the "it's just part of the character" explanation...which is usually just a copout for poor writing
I have to disagree with you there. With no explanation its "Meh, its just part of the character." With this stupid explanation it really cheapens some of the things and really.. its just plain shit.
Originally posted by SoljerYeah yeah, Comics timelines suck balls. I've known this since Jubilee joined Generation X back in the 90s when they made her 13 from being old enough to attend Beverly hills preparatory academy and then being with the x-men for a while after that.
Doesn't matter. This isn't a method of evasion - it really just isn't relevant. Cross-comic appearances are inconsistent. Always. That does [b]not make them non-canon. Superman can be stuck in the 31st Century for a few days in Action, and be simultaneously fighting the Injustice League alongside the JLA, and be on the moon fighting the insect queen in Superman. All three events happened simultaneously in real-world time. The order in which they took place in fiction, and how they tied together doesn't really matter. DC says they all happened, they all happened.Danny Rand can be in K'un Lun participating in an other-worldly Kung Fu tournament while simultaneously fighting the Hood (and, of course, finding time to put on that ridiculous collar in between the two). Both events happened simultaneously in real-time. The order in which they took place in fiction and how they tie together really does not matter. Marvel says they both happened, they both happened.
Wolverine can be off in space with AXM, fighting in Civil War with the New Avengers, searching for Romulus in Origins, and in Afghanistan looking for Mystique in Wolverine. All of these events happened simultaneously in real-time. The order in which they took place in fiction and how they tie together does not matter. Marvel says that Wolverine was in five places doing ten things with eighty different people....he was.
Hell, it's possible that Wolverine Origins is 616, but out of 'sync' with continuity - the same way Superman/Batman still represents canon adventures featuring the relationship between Superman and Batman, but does not really pay any attention to current events in DC. [/B]
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Why can't we make that decision? We decided to disregard certain feats because of their ridiculousness. They still technically happened, we just ignore them. We can't we do the same with Origins?
Feats != Runs. Therein lies the rub, so to speak.
If you think a few feats in Origins are 'PIS,' then argue that in the threads. Hell, if you think EVERY feat Wolverine pulled off in Origins is 'PIS,' then be my guest to take that position in Wolverine threads.
An entire run however, by definition, cannot be. 'PIS' is a term that we use on this forum to describe feats. Just feats. Bad characterization need not apply.
We get one issue a month (if we are lucky) and character's age - maybe - one year for every five. There is a lot of room in there for descrepencies in locations between titles. You can get an entire six issue arch that takes place in a single day... what are they doing for the rest of the year? Vacation?
Originally posted by Creshosk
Yeah yeah, Comics timelines suck balls. I've known this since Jubilee joined Generation X back in the 90s when they made her 13 from being old enough to attend Beverly hills preparatory academy and then being with the x-men for a while after that.
Then why argue that Origins is non-canon based on something you outright acknowledge...doesn't matter?
Originally posted by SoljerActually PIS stands for Plot Induced Stupidity. If the entire damend run's plot is stupid, that would make everything that happened in it Stupidity for the sake of the plot or plot induced stupidity.
Feats != Runs. Therein lies the rub, so to speak.If you think a few feats in Origins are 'PIS,' then argue that in the threads. Hell, if you think EVERY feat Wolverine pulled off in Origins is 'PIS,' then be my guest to take that position in Wolverine threads.
An entire run however, by definition, cannot be. 'PIS' is a term that we use on this forum to describe feats. Just feats. Bad characterization need not apply.
Originally posted by Soljer
Feats != Runs. Therein lies the rub, so to speak.If you think a few feats in Origins are 'PIS,' then argue that in the threads. Hell, if you think EVERY feat Wolverine pulled off in Origins is 'PIS,' then be my guest to take that position in Wolverine threads.
An entire run however, by definition, cannot be. 'PIS' is a term that we use on this forum to describe feats. Just feats. Bad characterization need not apply.
Which is why I asked for a new ruling to ignore runs as a whole. If we as a forum can make a rule to ignore feats for PIS, I don't see why we can't make up a rule to ignore a run... I mean... we made the PIS rule up when the need arised (arouse?), I think the need has arisen to deal with archs.
I don't see why PIS is limited to feats of strength influenced by the plot... and not a plot influeced by stupidity.