Originally posted by Quiero Mota
W attributes many good fortunes in his life to Jesus, such as kicking the bottle. But none of that matters. He can't have congress enact any laws on religous grounds.Based on what? Because you say so?
No, we don't attribute those things to Jesus; Bush does.
Based on the common themes we all desire and in some cases enjoy. Our rights are a resut of the common ideals that unite all of us as human beings. Not because we were born in the right country or because we were baptised as christians.
Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Not trying means that you don't have to exert yourself.You're right, it doesn't govern the U.S. However, your original statement was:
Erm...no, I never said that. At all.
Your morals are allegedly based upon logic and reason, unlike my crazy, off-the-wall Bible stories. When examined, though, your own morals and values all boil down to: "Because this is how I think things should be," which is based entirely off the society in which you grew up. Which means that they are as impermanent as a vapor and just as easily dispersed.
How hard are you trying by using a cop-out like "god said so"? Which, if I recall, he did not.
right. My statement said of this country. The mayflower compact is no such a thing.
If you said no such a thing, why are they savages and sandniggers?
No, you imply the permanance of your values and morals (I like the sudden inclusion of the first half of that) because you got them from what you believe to be god; as though there isn't a conscious descision to subscribe to them. It isn't like your validation is greater than mine. It's not my fault your religion is a product of the society that formed it. If anything, I didn't have to bend knee to a mythological character that is nothing more than a retelling of a theme that has existed for thousands of years to draw my inspiration for doing the right thing or not doing the wrong thing. I'm not saying there aren't lessons to be learned from the christian belief system or it's mythology I'm saying it's not the only one that espouses the same rhetoric. And what are those common themes if not evidence that the man-made religions we ascribe to aren't representative of our kinship and the rights we should all enjoy? The only problem is that there are few religions that are willing to admit it, and it's followers would rather spend 2000 years killing each other over how they're espoused.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
What common themes? And why "should" we?
We "should" because we all deserve to have them and it's unfortunate that in some places in this world people are denied rights or live under the oppression of theocracy.
Common themes; happiness, love, what we shouldn't do, etc.
Originally posted by chithappens
DK makes me giggle. Not in the sarcastic way, mind you 🙂
I'm only here to entertain.
Re: How did Christ handle rejection?
Originally posted by atv2
How did he deal with rejection because I know that there were many that did not have faith him.
He cried in the garden of Gethsemane, "My Father, if it is possible, do not let this happen!" cry
Needless to say, he did not handle it very well. 😆
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That is quite a feat considering that he is fictional. 😆
Irrelevant- he still handled the situation better...
the Character of Jesus (real or otherwise) still proved to be able to handle the rejection...you could say that the Character of Gandalf would also be able to handle it...the fact that they are or are not real doesn't matter- they still have character.
If you get my meaning...
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Irrelevant- he still handled the situation better...the Character of Jesus (real or otherwise) still proved to be able to handle the rejection...you could say that the Character of Gandalf would also be able to handle it...the fact that they are or are not real doesn't matter- they still have character.
If you get my meaning...
Actually, it is quite relevant. Comparing the behavior of a fictional character in a fictional story to the possible behavior of an actual person in a potential situation is quite different. Not to mention that you presume to know how I would behave when faced with death. I have dispassionately stared down the barrel of a gun, and I am not even the supposed son of God. Quite a stark contrast to begging for your life the night before your execution.