Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I apologise, but I tend to loose interest in debates when someone starts listing their qualifications or says they have bravely stood in the face of a loaded weapon and not even batted an eyelid.
Interestingly, you have no difficulty presuming to know how a stranger would behave in a hypothetical situation, but when faced with how a stranger did behave in an actual situation, you suddenly lose interest in supporting your argument.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The event is a matter of public record with Winnebago County police department; I stood between a gunman and my younger brother and sister in order to shield them, and he pointed the gun in my face.
I don't suppose they have a list of things like that on their website or that you can prove your identity online.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Thread's about rejection.You brought up a quote out of context because you had nothing relevant to say and found some famous Bible verses.
I called you on it.
The conversation was taken on a tangent by another person.
Which I am allowed to do.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The event is a matter of public record with Winnebago County police department; I stood between a gunman and my younger brother and sister in order to shield them, and he pointed the gun in my face.
Please make this source available or desist claiming you stood infront of a man's gun in order to protect your siblings. 🙂
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Would it matter, if you knew you were going to get shot...sobbed abit in your room alone, then put on a brave face and went out and faced your fate without regret?
Yes, it would matter. The mortal who is uncertain what will happen to him after he dies, who faces death resolutely, certainly handles death better than the son of God who is certain that he will spend in eternity in heaven, who cries and begs for his life.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yes, it would matter. The mortal who is uncertain what will happen to him after he dies, who faces death resolutely, certainly handles death better than the son of God who is certain that he will spend in eternity in heaven, who cries and begs for his life.
He clearly wasn't certain, "God why hath you forsaken me?"
Jesus was the son of God, but he was also the son of Mary- he had humanity in him also.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I don't suppose they have a list of things like that on their website or that you can prove your identity online.
I do not know, I have never visited the site in question. As far as substantiating my identity, my profile is fairly complete.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Please make this source available or desist claiming you stood infront of a man's gun in order to protect your siblings. 🙂
That may be difficult to accomplish considering that I have lived in San Francisco county, California for over two years, and that Winnebago county is in Illinois; or you could simply ask my former-partner, David (Devil King), for corroboration.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That may be difficult to accomplish considering that I have lived in San Francisco county, California for over two years, and that Winnebago county is in Illinois; or you could simply ask my former-partner, David (Devil King), for corroboration.
This is quite convenient.
The only evidence you have that the event took place is the word of a close friend...
I apologise but I must conclude, that said event never took place and your are therefore either deluded or a liar.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
This is quite convenient.The only evidence you have that the event took place is the word of a close friend...
I apologise but I must conclude, that said event never took place and your are therefore either deluded or a liar.
There is nothing "convenient" about my inability to substantiate an event in 2008 that I did not know I would need to substantiate in 2006 when I moved to a state where I would no longer have access to the evidence.
Furthermore, you have yet provide any evidence to substantiate that you have any knowledge of how I would behave when faced with the possibility of death, let alone as compared to a fictional character in a fictional story, for which my anecdote is a retort in the first place.
What is truly convenient is your attempt to detract from your inability substantiate your own argument by focusing on a point that is incidental to mine.
Oh, well in that case- i apologse for assuming to know how you would act- indeed I would not, it was wrong of me to state that I did.
Anyway, back to business.
So, you have no evidence to support the claim that you "dispassionately stared down the barrel of a gun". Do you not agree then, that I must conclude you are lying? Perhaps in order to retort my statement that you would be just as worried as Jesus? Perhaps to make yourself look like a hero?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Oh, well in that case- i apologse for assuming to know how you would act- indeed I would not, it was wrong of me to state that I did.Anyway, back to business.
So, you have no evidence to support the claim that you "dispassionately stared down the barrel of a gun". Do you not agree then, that I must conclude you are lying? Perhaps in order to retort my statement that you would be just as worried as Jesus? Perhaps to make yourself look like a hero?
You have no conclusive evidence to substantiate that God exists. By your reasoning, I must conclude that God does not exist, and that by extension, you are either deluded or a liar. Case in point; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You have no conclusive evidence to substantiate that God exists. By your reasoning, I must conclude that God does not exist, and that by extension, you are either deluded or a liar. Case in point; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Exactly! Thus you have proved my point to be correct. Now please espouse that to the world.
Thank you.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Exactly! Thus you have proved my point to be correct. Now please espouse that to the world.Thank you.
While indicating that the absence of evidence for the existence of God is not evidence that God does not exist, it also does not follow from this that God does exist. Therefore, this does not prove any point that you have attempted to make in this thread or otherwise.
Moreover, you continue to evade that your original argument attempts to draw a comparison between two dissimilar things, i.e. the behavior of a fictional character in a fictional story and the possible behavior of an actual person in a potential situation; and my argument, i.e. that a mortal who faces death resolutely handles death better than a god who cries and begs for his life.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I apologise, but I tend to loose interest in debates when someone starts listing their qualifications or says they have bravely stood in the face of a loaded weapon and not even batted an eyelid.
Then perhaps we should turn to your other example. When faced with death, Gandalf didn't fall to his knees and cry. He simply let go.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
While indicating that the absence of evidence for the existence of God is not evidence that God does not exist, it also does not follow from this that God does exist. Therefore, this does not prove any point that you have attempted to make in this thread or otherwise.Moreover, you continue to evade that your original argument attempts to draw a comparison between two dissimilar things, i.e. the behavior of a fictional character in a fictional story and the possible behavior of an actual person in a potential situation; and my argument, i.e. that a mortal who faces death resolutely handles death better than a god who cries and begs for his life.
So you confirm, your a liar then?
Originally posted by Devil King
Then perhaps we should turn to your other example. When faced with death, Gandalf didn't fall to his knees and cry. He simply let go.