Hal Jordan and Sinestro vs Silver Surfer · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Avlon
As for your points. You've got nothin' but once sided fallacies and opinions. Oh, "it's better that Doom drains than Black hand"... are you serious? LOL!!!! Drainage is drainage.

Go ahead and make a thread about 1977 exiled depowered Surfer vs current Hal Jordan. Until then, I've continually pointed out the context of those occurences and how a post-exiled Surfer has handled himself against energy absorption. You want to ignore them, that's your cup of tea. You still haven't shown me a single scan of a Lantern absorbing energies from a competent energy wielder.

Originally posted by Avlon
Oh..now SS got an undefined power boost so he's immune to drainage! Which as already been proven false. The iron man example is just one since it's the same power set.
I put it into simple terms earlier and showed scans of Hal doing some pretty amazing things himself. You showed a GL having an issue with a black hole and I addressed it by showing a rookie CLOSING a black hole and a few of the ok GL's surviving a black hole.
You showed SS in pieces, I showed Hal in pieces.
You showed SS starting a process of planetary genetic manipulation (which he had no control over) and I showed you Hal stopping time for a system.
You showed SS running into a beam smaller than his body as a battle speed feat and I showed you Hal keeping up with a speeding flash and having conversation.

Other than specialized tech that Lanterns have no access to, post-exile Surfer has resisted, overloaded or plain beat on any attempts to absorb his power. And your use of feats s completely drawn from pre-Crisis. The rookie GL is pre-Crisis. I've shown you three instances of current GLs who couldn't escape black holes. That was pre-Crisis Hal in pieces. I've referenced three times current Surfer has survived being cut into pieces. As for this:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/a22a8b50.jpg

Did some research. This is from Green Lantern #72, published in 1969, also before the Crisis. Also, the reason why Hal's suspending everything within a thousand miles of the planet is because he's focusing on aliens in ships that are in orbit. The Verdees aliens, prodded on by the Wagnorians, invaded a starship of the Berliotz aliens and started fighting. And he's only using life-suspending rays on the aliens and not actually stopping time. It's not even a solar system wide feat. Planet + 1000 miles to stop all the jerks in the spaceships orbiting the planet. And finally a scan of Hal keeping up with Barry at indescript speeds. How fast are they going? I don't. Because I know how fast Silver Surfer was going in all four of my nanosecond FTL feats.

Originally posted by Avlon
Someone brought up the GL/SS crossover and I addressed it. Hint. It wasn't great for SS. OK, but not great.
Now we have 2 characters who are DEBATABLY in SS class (as they aren't GL fodder) together vs SS.
SS for the loss. It's easy math to get and understand. You could make a nice case vs any one of them on their own, but together? They win.

Yes, they're not GL fodder. But I will not be drawn into your simplistic reductionist argument. This isn't a case of "two competent energy wielders vs one competent energy wielder." I've demonstrated Surfer's clear superiority over current Lanterns already. You haven't shown a single scan that shows they could replicate Dr. Doom's technology without having prior analysis of it. You haven't shown a single scan of current Hal or Sinestro absorbing or siphoning energy from a competent energy wielder. You haven't shown a single scan of current Hal or Sinestro resisting or overpowering an energy wielder or piece of technology. Once again you've dodged my clear questions and requests for proof. This is easy math. I have the feats and scans to support my conclusions, you have nothing but conclusions:

1. "Show me a scan where a current Lantern was able to create plasma construct imitations of technology or create/transmute such technology without guidance or prior access to or prior analysis of such technology."

2. "Show me scans where a current Lantern usurped or at least absorbed a competent energy wielder's energies."

3. "Show me scans where a current Lantern either beat or overloaded a competent energy wielder's efforts or technology."

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Very false. There is no "ëvery"in the narration. And a thousand mile radius makes it only planet wide and nothing more.

The scan says the creatures of the system. why mention the system of it's only planet wide? that makes no sense at all.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by fangirl101
And his upgrade did what? Superman has been getting stronger for awhile now too. But guess what? Hal still is the one referred to as it's always you hal, in the JLA books who can over come what the others cannot.

Yes many refer to Superman as more powerful today than he used to be about ten years ago. Surfer is more powerful today than he was ten years ago. Ten years ago Surfer was still extremely powerful.

The last statement of your was a generalized statement meaning hes the best of the gls and proving nothing imo.

Onedumbgos points havent been countered.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes many refer to Superman as more powerful today than he used to be about ten years ago. Surfer is more powerful today than he was ten years ago. Ten years ago Surfer was still extremely powerful.
The last statement of your was a generalized statement meaning hes the best of the gls and proving nothing imo.
Onedumbgos points havent been countered.

I'm sorry. I didn't notice any points being made. Really. Surfer's upgrade is a wet dream. He hasn't done anything to prove he's upgraded. And I've seen him drained by someone who's far the inferior of Hal and Sinestro.

ultimatethor Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
Ok name the huge anaccuracies. Do me that favor so I wont' be inaccurate again. And since surfer Won't be draining the GL and Sinestro Corp's best, what is he going to do to win this? Blast them? Punch them? They are going to stand there and just let him take turns on them. Has surfer EVER beaten two extremely good herald level beings before at the same time?

Numerous reasons and strategies have been given in favor of surfer winning so if you have not seen them go reread the thread. First of all you start off mentioning a " no name enrgy drainer" which does not give us any idea of what actually happened. Then you go on to reference a cross over which is a huge failure. Further in ur reference of a no name enrgy drainer u disregard all the times surfer has shown resistance to enrgy drainig from high level enrgy absobers beings like quasar.

Lastly you ask for an instance of surfer beating two extremely good herld level beings but forget that this is a forum and that things like PIS are off and the surfer will therefore be able to employ strategies here that he would not use in comics due to jobbing.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
Ok So does anyone remember when surfer got his ass handed to him by that no name energy drainer in the star masters book? Does anyone also realize that not only do the power batteries power the rings, but the rings, absorb power. It's a two way street. Shown by Kyle using his ring to absorb the TOTALITY of a cosmic cube. Just for thought. I don't think Surfer will be able to drain either lantern. Not in a Forum battle where he has no prep. He got drained by a no name 2nd rate villian. While the Lanterns get drained by beings prepped to drain them. BIG Difference.

Proof that Kyle drained the TOTALITY of the cube?

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Numerous reasons and strategies have been given in favor of surfer winning so if you have not seen them go reread the thread. First of all you start off mentioning a " no name enrgy drainer" which does not give us any idea of what actually happened. Then you go on to reference a cross over which is a huge failure. Further in ur reference of a no name enrgy drainer u disregard all the times surfer has shown resistance to enrgy drainig from high level enrgy absobers beings like quasar.
Lastly you ask for an instance of surfer beating two extremely good herld level beings but forget that this is a forum and that things like PIS are off and the surfer will therefore be able to employ strategies here that he would not use in comics due to jobbing.

Star masters. Surfer got bitched by a no name. And I'm sure surfer can resist the likes of quasar. Quasar is ONE. This is a thread with two. He won't be resisting and fighting two beings on his level.

The Cross over is canon.

lastly, Surfer, hasn't beaten two high level herald types. This thread is nothing more than a surfer wank fest.

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ultimatethor Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
The scan says the creatures of the system. why mention the system of it's only planet wide? that makes no sense at all.

Ive not read the comic itself but i suspect greatly that the location of the sytem had been metioned earlier in the comic and therefore to use the phrase " beings of the system" would not mean that it must be solar system wide especially because hal himself stated the distance of the beam differently.

The Boss Senior Member

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by darthgoober
Proof that Kyle drained the TOTALITY of the cube?

Can't. I assumed it was since Kyle's entire form changed into what looked like a cube being. And since he mastered the cube energy like he would Gl energy, I assumed he had it's total power. And he even comments on how he thought it was just a power source but it's not. The cubes are sentient right? A lantern absorbing a multiversal level beings power and mastering it, with just his oath. Pretty good.

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Ive not read the comic itself but i suspect greatly that the location of the sytem had been metioned earlier in the comic and therefore to use the phrase " beings of the system" would not mean that it must be solar system wide especially because hal himself stated the distance of the beam differently.

The beings of this stystem just seems inclusive of everyone in the system. At any rate, There is no mention of a strain on hal is there? Was the limit of who was stopped in time done by Hal or by the rings limitation?

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ultimatethor Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
Star masters. Surfer got bitched by a no name. And I'm sure surfer can resist the likes of quasar. Quasar is ONE. This is a thread with two. He won't be resisting and fighting two beings on his level.
The Cross over is canon.
lastly, Surfer, hasn't beaten two high level herald types. This thread is nothing more than a surfer wank fest.

More ambiguities that contradict established surfer history. Unless u can provide some actual description of what happened in that comic then dont mention it. Also you talk about the GLs enrgy absorption capabilities yet One dumb has bin continuously requesting for scans and examples of Gls absorbing enrgy from a competent enrgy wielder but has gone totally unanswered. Also as i said surfers knack for holding back, not using his powers fully well and PIS have contributed to his failure to do what you said.

Whether the cross over is canon or not is irrelevant IMO as cross overs will never, have never ben and are not a good evidence in comic debates.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by The Boss

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
Can't. I assumed it was since Kyle's entire form changed into what looked like a cube being. And since he mastered the cube energy like he would Gl energy, I assumed he had it's total power. And he even comments on how he thought it was just a power source but it's not. The cubes are sentient right? A lantern absorbing a multiversal level beings power and mastering it, with just his oath. Pretty good.

Assumptions are dangerous things, especially when you're basing them off something as subjective as what you think a character looks like. To my recollection there was nothing to indicate that he did anything other than recharge his ring.

The Boss Senior Member

ultimatethor Senior Member

Originally posted by fangirl101
The beings of this stystem just seems inclusive of everyone in the system. At any rate, There is no mention of a strain on hal is there? Was the limit of who was stopped in time done by Hal or by the rings limitation?

Whether there is a mention of a strain on hal or not is irrelevant. I was only describing the feat itself. We can speculate how much more hal could have done but that is just what it is speculation. Hal did howvwer describe it as a huge task so it must have ben pretty hard.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by fangirl101
Star masters. Surfer got bitched by a no name. And I'm sure surfer can resist the likes of quasar. Quasar is ONE. This is a thread with two. He won't be resisting and fighting two beings on his level.
The Cross over is canon.
lastly, Surfer, hasn't beaten two high level herald types. This thread is nothing more than a surfer wank fest.

Who's this no-name from Starmasters? And neither current Hal, nor Sinestro can hold a candle to Quasar when it comes to energy absorption feats. Arguably, Quasar's energy absorption feats are superior to Surfer's. And Quasar still couldn't beat him. What are Hal and Sinestro going to do? Nobody has shown a single scan of a current Lantern draining a competent energy wielder. Without any evidence for you me to even consider, as it stands in this debate, they'd have to stand on a ladder to kiss Quasar's butt when it comes to energy absorption.

Just because you think Hal and Sinestro are "high herald" types means nothing. Labels don't prove anything. I've asked three simple questions over and over again in this energy absorption issue:

1. "Show me a scan where a current Lantern was able to create plasma construct imitations of technology or create/transmute such technology without guidance or prior access to or prior analysis of such technology."

2. "Show me scans where a current Lantern usurped or at least absorbed a competent energy wielder's energies."

3. "Show me scans where a current Lantern either beat or overloaded a competent energy wielder's efforts or technology."

fangirl101 Restricted

Originally posted by ultimatethor
More ambiguities that contradict established surfer history. Unless u can provide some actual description of what happened in that comic then dont mention it. Also you talk about the GLs enrgy absorption capabilities yet One dumb has bin continuously requesting for scans and examples of Gls absorbing enrgy from a competent enrgy wielder but has gone totally unanswered. Also as i said surfers knack for holding back, not using his powers fully well and PIS have contributed to his failure to do what you said.
Whether the cross over is canon or not is irrelevant IMO as cross overs will never, have never ben and are not a good evidence in comic debates.

And just like surfer has been holding back, Hal hasn't had the authority to kill. I'd say he's gotten a nice upgrade as well. I gave the actual description of what happened in Starmasters. Surfer got drained on the fly by a no name hack villian.