Does Logan have time to get used to and train with his lack of healing factor? Or is it stripped from him immediately before he's thrown in a cage with Daredevil?
He gets to train and get used to it.
I've heard Matt has treated Logan pretty badly in Wolvie's own comic and when the latter had a powerup.
Know what that was all about? I just heard it somewhere and am curious.
Any idea
Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
He gets to train and get used to it.I've heard Matt has treated Logan pretty badly in Wolvie's own comic and when the latter had a powerup.
Know what that was all about? I just heard it somewhere and am curious.
Any idea
Wolverine was mind-controlled, conciously trying fight said mind-control and was missing part of his soul for that "fight". He wasn't anywhere near his fighting best and even then DD only survived because he managed to momentarily break the Hands hold on Wolverine. It happens in Wolverine 24 if you want to check it out.
Wolverine wins the high majority.
DD's showings are pretty good against Logan.
One showing he puts Logan down but not out.
One showing against Logan with tech and has help from the Hand as DD does well against him.
One showing Logan tries a sneak attack on Daredevil in Fallen son and DD avoids him easily.
One showing Logan gets DD in a full nelson.
But for the majority of the showing DD looks decent.
In hand to hand with no healing factor I give it too DD.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Prove it. DD wins the majority.
It was in the story... it was explicitly stated in the narrative of that very issue as well as by Captian America and Nicky Fury in the same story arch. That's why admist killing superheroes, he stopped to save a woman from rappists. Have you read the story?
Originally posted by srankmissingninDidn't stop him from killing a crap load of people, both heroes and innocents. Petting a dog and saving a woman AFTER committing his atrocities doesn't speak very well of his success in fighting back. And in the fight against Daredevil, although at the very end he says he tried his best to stop them from nabbing Elektra, he still had dozens of Hand ninjas helping him and his thought captions during the fight clearly indicated he was trying to kill Daredevil.
It was in the story... it was explicitly stated in the narrative of that very issue as well as by Captian America and Nicky Fury in the same story arch. That's why admist killing superheroes, he stopped to save a woman from rappists. Have you read the story?
If you want to detract from the fight due to HYDRA's reprogramming, that's ok. You can detract from all of Wolverine's feats throughout 'Enemy Of The State' then. It just appears that most of us simply disagree that Wolverine was significantly handicapped.
This is a tough fight. I'll go with stalemate for the moment. Despite Daredevil's ability to use his radar sense to telegraph, if it's pure H2H, Wolverine's more likely to concentrate and give a good fight.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
One showing he puts Logan down but not out.
I don't know what instance you are talking about... but considering you have all of their other scuffles listed below I assuming you are talking about when DD tackled Wolverine off of Bushwacker? If that's the case he didn't even put Wolverine down...
Originally posted by Daredevil1
One showing against Logan with tech and has help from the Hand as DD does well against him.
Wolverine was mind-controlled, missing parting of his soul and was consciously fighting against his mind-control.
Wolverine missing part of his soul was unable to beat Azrael and his clone that had the missing part of his soul. With his soul restored he was able to fight them both at the same time... and pretty much walk all over them both. His fighting skills took a serious nose dive just from missing part of his soul, and in EotS he was also mindcontrolled. He wasn't nearly at 100%
Originally posted by Daredevil1
One showing Logan tries a sneak attack on Daredevil in Fallen son and DD avoids him easily.
Wolverine just wanted to know if it was the real Matt (don't know why he couldn't tell via smell but it Loeb so who cares about plot holes) he wasn't going full out or anything. But he did avoid an attack.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
One showing Logan gets DD in a full nelson.
Yes.
Wolverine dies from adamantium poisoning...
But assuming that doesn't happen via magic in this thread, and given it's specified he's been given time to adjust to fighting without a healing factor and thus revert to a less nonchalant attitude towards injury and a renewed reliance on skill, I'd give him the majority.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Didn't stop him from killing a crap load of people, both heroes and innocents. Petting a dog and saving a woman AFTER committing his atrocities doesn't speak very well of his success in fighting back. And in the fight against Daredevil, although at the very end he says he tried his best to stop them from nabbing Elektra, he still had dozens of Hand ninjas helping him and his thought captions during the fight clearly indicated he was trying to kill Daredevil.
True enough, he killed a boat load of masks BUT keep in mind he was aware that the Hand would revive any of the heroes he bagged, where as the chances of them reviving some random civi are pretty much nil. An argument could be made that he would fight harder to protect a civilian than a hero on that fact alone and there is also the fact that Wolverine adheres to a live by the sword die by the sword mentality and it is easier to rationalise killing a hero - as they know the risks when they choose to put on the spandex - than some random civilian who just in the wrong place at the wrong place.
Anyway Wolverine's lack of success fighting off the brain-washing isn't that important IMO, the mere fact that he was consciously trying break free is enough to limit his effectiveness in combat. If you are at war with your self and second guessing your decisions how can you be operating at peak efficiency?
Keep in mind Wolverine had three separate internal narratives during EotS. Green box, tan box and white box.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
If you want to detract from the fight due to HYDRA's reprogramming, that's ok. You can detract from all of Wolverine's feats throughout 'Enemy Of The State' then. It just appears that most of us simply disagree that Wolverine was significantly handicapped.
Wolverine is a dangerous man. He is a dangerous man even when he isn't at peak levels. No character has ever operated at their optimum efficiency during mind control, its pretty much a comic book rule of thumb. Did Wolverine do some impressive stuff during EotS? Sure, but he still wasn't at 100%.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
[B]I don't know what instance you are talking about... but considering you have all of their other scuffles listed below I assuming you are talking about when DD tackled Wolverine off of Bushwacker? If that's the case he didn't even put Wolverine down...
Nope its when Logan was after Punisher and DD put Logan down.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
I notice you put all circumstances or excuses for Logans part but not on DD's one.Mine were more non-biased unlike yours.
Daredevil attacked Wolverine taking him by surprise while he was in persuit of Typhoid Mary. Wolverine quickly gains control of the situation and places DD in a full nelson?