Originally posted by srankmissingninWolverine killed a lot of innocent civilians also such as employees at Stark's buildings. He also gutted Hornet and left his body instead of bringing it back. If he was subconsciously relying on the Hand to revive him, why'd he leave him there with his entrails slashed to ribbons and suffering? Wolverine had no chance of fighting HYDRA's control and not once, in ANY of his fights or raids did he actually ever hesitate. He never stopped in mid-swing, he never said anything out-loud, he never physically struggled.
True enough, he killed a boat load of masks BUT keep in mind he was aware that the Hand would revive any of the heroes he bagged, where as the chances of them reviving some random civi are pretty much nil. An argument could be made that he would fight harder to protect a civilian than a hero on that fact alone and there is also the fact that Wolverine adheres to a live by the sword die by the sword mentality and it is easier to rationalise killing a hero - as they know the risks when they choose to put on the spandex - than some random civilian who just in the wrong place at the wrong place.Anyway Wolverine's lack of success fighting off the brain-washing isn't that important IMO, the mere fact that he was consciously trying break free is enough to limit his effectiveness in combat. If you are at war with your self and second guessing your decisions how can you be operating at peak efficiency?
Keep in mind Wolverine had three separate internal narratives during EotS. Green box, tan box and white box.
And in many of his fights, Wolverine is at war with himself. Two words: Berserker. Rage. He struggles with his berserker rage quite regularly. He tries to surpress it, tries to deny it, it doesn't affect his fighting abilities however as the most fervent Wolverine fans argue.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIt is a commonly accepted rule of thumb that mind-control does detract from the validity of a fight. Most of the time, I find that it is used as a convenient excuse for people who dislike the outcome of a fight. But I do believe it detracts from a fight. As to what extent, it depends on whether the mind-control reverts them to a puppet-like automaton or a bloodlusted balls-out version. Here, there is a curious mixture of both. But since Daredevil was ambushed and simultaneously fighting the dozens of Hand ninjas that were actively assisting Wolverine and Wolverine never once physically hesitated, I'd say it pretty much evens out.
Wolverine is a dangerous man. He is a dangerous man even when he isn't at peak levels. No character has ever operated at their optimum efficiency during mind control, its pretty much a comic book rule of thumb. Did Wolverine do some impressive stuff during EotS? Sure, but he still wasn't at 100%.
5/10 stalemate til I see more.