Originally posted by Daredevil1
DD specializes in exotic pressure points that he learned with the Chaste. As Nick Fury himself has stated that there's only a few that know what DD knows.DD has done exotic pressure points to remove sight, induce pain, even heat pain and can even remove speech with pressure points as he used a pressure point strike on Logans neck. Not a judo chop.
DD even put down Hyde with a pressure point. Logan himself was affected by a average pressure pointer like Shingen IIRC. And he's no were on the level of DD skills with pressure points.
What is it with the pressure points? I think I'd base his skill on something other than pressure points like the JUDO and Jiu Jitsu he knows. I've never heard any MA's rave about how great this pressure point style is. I'm not saying it isn't effective, but off that basis alone, I wouldn't make DD the victor. Wolverine is supposed to know virtually every MA in the WORLD, I'm sure he has some knowledge of pressure points. Enough to counter it at least.
Originally posted by jinzin
Logan wouldn't notice whether or not he was tired. Perhaps he was a little fatigued but he wouldn't notice that his healing factor wasn't running up to par. It's pretty simply...
What the hell are talking about? What Logan noticed is irrevelant you deduced that the methane gas was used to slow down Wolverine due to what Gorgon said, if you are then his HF was only reduced a little.
Originally posted by jinzinDoesn't prove anything. Wolverine wasn't near as incapacitated as he was in the DD example. The panels end before we see what happens next.
Even if you wanted to argue that the one sword stab was enough to...
well fit WHATEVER agenda you're attempting to prove this time. You can't argue as if it was against a healthy Logan anyways... Gorgon
didn't want to attack until Wolverine fatigued, Wolverine was fighting ninja who were seeping out methane gas from every wound.
Do you know what inhilation of methane gas does? The affect that Mathane Gas has on oxygen in any given environment can be lethal. Since it causes a displacement of oxygen in the atmosphere it can cause asphyxiation to the human body. Methane gas> not enough oxygen. Not enough oxygen to run through your system > no ability to use a mass of adrenaline. No adrenaline > Slower healing factor.
The affects of asphyxiation are of course faster acting when one is engaged in excercise since the body needs more oxygen this causes abnormal fatigue which is probably what Gorgon was reffering to when he said he was going to wait for Wolverine to fatigue a little before attacking him. And then there's the added symptoms of muscular incoordination, disturbed respiration, nausea,
Originally posted by jinzin
He had time to heal it? It was lodged in his throat! How ridiculous is that?
And as for the plank Gorgon had to whack Logan repeatidly with a steel lace wrapped around the plank.
He only had Logan lifted for one panel, he threw him pretty damned immediately.... And yes Wolverine very much did recover fast enough before Gorgon could land the next strike otherwise the sword would not have been planted into the ground instead.
The whole process of chucking Wolverine took 3 panels. He was not chucked immeditaley read the comic again. He was stabbed one panel, He was lifted one panel and then chucked, 3 panels not immediate.
Originally posted by jinzin
He had class 2 strength according to sheilds files that weren't even up to date on Gorgon and what he was packing after his ressurection...But wait... let me get this right... Gorgon repeatedly hitting Wolverine with a metal wrapping, stabbing him through the throat hard enough to embed Logan in concrete, Wolverine and him falling a couple dozen stories on his head, Gorgon gutting him, then puncturing his lung, then running up and hitting him for god knows how long with more punches hard enough to embed Logan's head into concrete and Logan STILL winning the fight and walking away from it, somehow validates to you that DD dropping him with a single strike is acceptable in comparison? 😕
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Gorgon knocked Wolverine 3 times over the head and put him to his knees and Wolverine had not sustanined any damage. What excuse do you have for that?
Originally posted by socool8520
What is it with the pressure points? I think I'd base his skill on something other than pressure points like the JUDO and Jiu Jitsu he knows. I've never heard any MA's rave about how great this pressure point style is. I'm not saying it isn't effective, but off that basis alone, I wouldn't make DD the victor. Wolverine is supposed to know virtually every MA in the WORLD, I'm sure he has some knowledge of pressure points. Enough to counter it at least.
Pressure points is a staple in DD's style. And has used a variety of them in ways that other fighters such as Logan or Cap have not shown. Its arguable they know how to counter but they have not shown they can do what DD has shown to do with pressure points.
Originally posted by jinzin
When did Daredevil do this to Cap?
In a fight between the two where DD went temporarily insane sortof. DD #43.
Originally posted by jinzin
Well if you are not arguing about the radar what are you arguing about? His hearing's better than Wolverine's but it's not to a degree that would matter in a fight. Both can hear heartbeats and both can hear breathing from another room, other side of an esablishment etc.Wolverine has better Ofactory though I don't see how it would help.
Both have a keen sense of touch, both can use shifts in the air to react to danger.
Taste doesn't matter.
Sight doesn't matter too much.
So radar's the only thing that would even come into play IMO... I don't see a single thing that Daredevil has which would make up the difference against a stronger, possibly faster, and most likely better fighter.
I think DD's hearing would be more the equalizer than the radar. Radar is just extra. The main sense that would be used is the hearing. When it comes to combat speed vs faster opponents, i just see DD having the advantage there. Hes more adverse to not getting hit and fast countering because he has to.
As you stated with the senses that doesnt matter, Wolvie being stronger and possibly a more skilled fighter wouldnt matter either. I still believe DD is faster when it comes down to h2h combat though.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Pressure points is a staple in DD's style. And has used a variety of them in ways that other fighters such as Logan or Cap have not shown. Its arguable they know how to counter but they have not shown they can do what DD has shown to do with pressure points.
I don't deny that DD is better with pressure points, I'm just saying I wouldn't make that the staple of his victory. From my understanding, for this style to be effective, DD would have to be close. I just find it hard to imagine DD getting off to many nerve pinches with claws, punches, and kicks flying at him. i would think he would lean a little more towards the grappling and such that he knows to be effective.
Originally posted by socool8520
What is it with the pressure points? I think I'd base his skill on something other than pressure points like the JUDO and Jiu Jitsu he knows. I've never heard any MA's rave about how great this pressure point style is. I'm not saying it isn't effective, but off that basis alone, I wouldn't make DD the victor. Wolverine is supposed to know virtually every MA in the WORLD, I'm sure he has some knowledge of pressure points. Enough to counter it at least.
The judo and jujitsu are nice, but commonly known by most of the top ma's. Some are better than others, dont get my wrong, but there are some things that separate ma's. Pressure points are more of a technical technique rather than the common punches or kicks. For example, DD is adversed in slugging it out with thugs or other villains, but there are times where he wants to take someone down easy. Hes disabled limbs to entire bodies before. Hes tortured using pressure points.
I honestly cant believe Wolvie knows every style of ma in the world. I do think he knows a large amount, and i also would believe hed know more than Cap. Just off age alone. There was a time Wolvie and DD were together, and DD did a move paralyzing someones entire body, and Wolvie asked if he killed the guy. I not only think that was a great feat, but a nice bonus was Wolvie asking what it was that Matt did. I think thats quite impressive alone.
Im not saying that Wolvie isnt knowledgeable in pressure points or any other ma for that matter. I just believe that DD's knowldege and execution of them in battle is more commonly used more than any other street lvl'er in comics, thus giving him a slight advantage in that area moreso than others who dont execute it as much.
Originally posted by socool8520
I don't deny that DD is better with pressure points, I'm just saying I wouldn't make that the staple of his victory. From my understanding, for this style to be effective, DD would have to be close. I just find it hard to imagine DD getting off to many nerve pinches with claws, punches, and kicks flying at him. i would think he would lean a little more towards the grappling and such that he knows to be effective.
It CAN be a staple for victory. If combatants are similar in overall skill to really make a difference, the other things come into play. Speed, durability, strength, agility, etc. Pressure points are one of those extras that hold a bit of weight imo. This fight here, is pure h2h and Wolvie isnt allowed claws here nor a healing factor.
Also, DD has hit pressure points via range with billy clubs before as well.
Originally posted by jrodslam
It CAN be a staple for victory. If combatants are similar in overall skill to really make a difference, the other things come into play. Speed, durability, strength, agility, etc. Pressure points are one of those extras that hold a bit of weight imo. This fight here, is pure h2h and Wolvie isnt allowed claws here nor a healing factor.Also, DD has hit pressure points via range with billy clubs before as well.
Wait.. DD gets the clubs but Wolvie doesn't get the claws? I think it sound like someone wants him to lose 🙁 Yeah your saying that DD is better at pressure points, but I'm sure Wolverine is better at something else so I'm sure that levels off.
The speed thing, I'm not really sure. They both have displayed impressive speed feats so I don't think either has a real advantage there.
When I say staple for victory, I mean that that style alone means victory which is what I was gathering from the posts. I did not mean however that he couldn't win by a pressure point move. That would be stupid of me. Of course it could happen.
Honestly, I give Wolverine the majority, and not a big one (6/10), because I think he has more diversity in his fighting capabilities. I think he has a broader variety of styles to choose from. Not to mention assassin techniques and such that he has picked up from extensive training. But again I don't have him dominating DD either.
[i]Originally posted by Phantom Zone [/]
The whole process of chucking Wolverine took 3 panels. He was not chucked immeditaley read the comic again. He was stabbed one panel, He was lifted one panel and then chucked, 3 panels not immediate.
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That seems pretty immediate to me. Stab,lift,throw. Three precise actions. Does it say he stopped for a drink or something in between panels? 🙂 To me it seem it's three panels long to specify what happened, not to express an extended period of time. I figure if he was really doing it slowly, then there would have been more panels implying that.
Originally posted by socool8520
Wait.. DD gets the clubs but Wolvie doesn't get the claws? I think it sound like someone wants him to lose 🙁 Yeah your saying that DD is better at pressure points, but I'm sure Wolverine is better at something else so I'm sure that levels off.
No i was just saying that IF, DD were allowed his clubs, hed be capable of hitting a pressure point via distance considering you mentioned pressure points being executed at close range. He doesnt have them in this fight.
Originally posted by jrodslam
No i was just saying that IF, DD were allowed his clubs, hed be capable of hitting a pressure point via distance considering you mentioned pressure points being executed at close range. He doesnt have them in this fight.
Originally posted by jinzinWhat? All those feats I've listed are feats that happened ON-PANEL. All of those feats can be measured up against a large majority of similar situations in which Wolverine has taken far more damage but still wades through it like nothing. How many times has Wolverine been stabbed in the heart without flinching? And yet Gorgon can bring Wolverine down to his knees for seconds while Wolverine is screaming in his head, heal dammit! How many times has Wolverine's face been literally blown off and yet Spiderwoman's single venom blast stuns Wolverine long enough for her to flip him over and make him stab himself in the throat? How many times has Wolverine been slashed or stabbed in the neck, and yet, a single sneaky sword slash by Silver Samurai in New Avengers puts him down and lutching his throat? How many times has Wolverine had his guts spilled out like it was a biology class and yet, Ord guts him and he's down? How many times can Wolverine take shots from class 10-20's without being sent flying and a friggin deer sends him sailing?
Perhaps the fact that they came from the top of your head is the reason why they're such poor examples.... Fact of the matter is you can't take ONE instance where Wolverine's taken down by a single strike to the throat and equate that to all the instances that far worse damage has put him down, or all the instances he's registered pain at some level. Silver Samurai and Ord being prime examples; offer no credability to DD being successful in a single strike, nor do they support this notion of precise damage being more potent to Logan than far more devistating things.
Please. Precise damage isn't necessarily more potent. Don't twist my words. But it has been historically shown, MANY TIMES, in fact TOO MANY times for every instance to be called PIS. The very fact that nerve strikes actually do work on Wolverine pretty much makes this entire god damn conversation MOOT.
Originally posted by jinzinThey don't contradict crap. A boxer like Rocky Marciano, widely touted as being one of the greatest boxers because of his unnatural ability to take punishment could still get ktfo'ed by a lucky shot. And that concept has NOTHING to do with disregarding his fights or career. Your failure to understand this common sense premise is pathetic. You treat Wolverine falling to the ground and clutching his throat the same as Spiderman beating Firelord or Black Panther armbarring Silver Surfer? You even go so far as to equate it to Aunt may knocking Spiderman out with a broom handle? Two words:
What this all comes down to is that you've yet to provide any CREDIBLE examples to prove what you're attempting to argue here. Every example you've given so far has been littered with circumstance from the plot, not precise, or too ambiguous to dictate what happened (OFF PANEL). At the end of the day even if we gave credit to the examples that are not littered with plot devices such as your Ord, Silver Samurai, or Punisher feat..... that for every anti-feat you have of Logan, I can find multitudes that contradict it. On KMC battles we have these character's powers working at the peak of their effeciency, so using the lowest of showings (regardless of context) doesn't do anything to prove the cons of a character.
EPIC PHAIL
Originally posted by jinzinNo. The fact that I often times say to people or complain to myself, "Man... can't remember the last time I ate something" is not conclusive evidence that I do in fact, not remember when I ate something. In fact, most of the time it's complete bs, but most people understand it's hyperbole to express how hungry I actually am when I've only skipped breakfast at best. It's a common expression. And his need to eat his arm is perfectly explained by his entrapment for the week or so that he was inside the ship. There's no reason to abandon common sense and insert mental retardation into Wolverine's character for the sole sake of making Wolverine look better in a single fight against Cap where he actually did pretty damn well.
And as for Origins...Wolverine hadn't ate up to the point he fought Samurai for some time. BEFORE he passes out Wolverine references this. "Can't remember the last time I; Hungry...Should a..." Wolverine being unable to pin down the last time he ate doesn't lend credit to your babble that he did.
Wolverine stating that he held out as long as he can, gives credit to the argument that he was withholding himself from eating. Your insistance that he spent days on the ship would only compound on this argument....
And Wolverine even up to the point of meeting Black Widow said that he needed some sleep.... His means of travel hadn't radically altered, his situation hadn't become better up to the point of meeting Cap either.
The fact that Wolverine is never shown to friggin eat his arms or legs or whatever the whole time AFTER Canada just goes to show how stupid your entire theory is. If he never ate or never slept afterwards, why isn't he going around munching on his own ass in Serbia? Oh. It must have happened off-panel. Like everything else you wished happened off-panel. And I don't know what you're talking about with Black Widow.
Originally posted by jinzinOh for goodness sake. From the very first issue Wolverine's being tracked and spotted by SHIELD agents. He doesn't even panic when he knows he's been spotted. If he doesn't run off like a lunatic trying to avoid being spotted at all costs, to the point that he doesn't even flinch when he spots a spotter, why are you all of a sudden assuming that Wolverine cannot afford to eat a single bite? Or sleep a single wink while on a train ride?
And for that matter there IS evidence that Wolverine will forego food and sleep to see his way through to the end of a mission.
There ARE multiple statements in the headliners for the story that Wolverine was on a mission.
There ARE multiple references to Wolverine being on the run from every law enforcement agency in the world.
Gawd. You may think I'm a criminal for "lowballing" Wolverine. But at least I don't consider him an absolute mental retard who munches his own ass off-panel just to invent some supposed weakness for a SINGLE fight in which he already handled well.
Originally posted by jrodslam👆 Daredevil would never get embarassed the way Daken embarasses Wolverine.
In a fight between the two where DD went temporarily insane sortof. DD #43.I think DD's hearing would be more the equalizer than the radar. Radar is just extra. The main sense that would be used is the hearing. When it comes to combat speed vs faster opponents, i just see DD having the advantage there. Hes more adverse to not getting hit and fast countering because he has to.
As you stated with the senses that doesnt matter, Wolvie being stronger and possibly a more skilled fighter wouldnt matter either. I still believe DD is faster when it comes down to h2h combat though.
Originally posted by socool8520DD's the premier Marvel martial artist when it comes to pressure points. In a fight without healing factor, it pretty much gives him a large advantage.
What is it with the pressure points? I think I'd base his skill on something other than pressure points like the JUDO and Jiu Jitsu he knows. I've never heard any MA's rave about how great this pressure point style is. I'm not saying it isn't effective, but off that basis alone, I wouldn't make DD the victor. Wolverine is supposed to know virtually every MA in the WORLD, I'm sure he has some knowledge of pressure points. Enough to counter it at least.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneUh.. No.... Gorgon made reference to Wolverine's fatigue not his healing factor.
What the hell are talking about? What Logan noticed is irrevelant you deduced that the methane gas was used to slow down Wolverine due to what Gorgon said, if you are then his HF was only reduced a little.
Either way it doesn't really matter. You can't use it as a point to validate DD's PIS in any instance.
Of course you could argue that the gas didn't effect Logan.. I mean sure why not it's just another thing you could attempt to rob Wolverine the benefit of the doubt/common sense/logic/science/physics/physiology.....
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The whole process of chucking Wolverine took 3 panels. He was not chucked immeditaley read the comic again. He was stabbed one panel, He was lifted one panel and then chucked, 3 panels not immediate.
he was lifted in the second....
He was tossed in the third....
He was only up on the blade for one panel... not three... he wasn't on the sword indefinitely he was chucked pretty damned immediately... and it still wasn't enough to put him down.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWhat excuse do I need? Gorgon's a BAMF... him using super strength packing skill level that exceeds people like Elektra and Wolverine combined, while bashing away at Wolverine with a metal wrapping that took Elektra out in one shot completely and dropping Wolverine to his knees for a few seconds really is no big deal, it doesn't help that Gorgon saw fit to stab Wolverine in the throat and Wolverine was still talking through it. It doesn't validate DD's moment of PIS no matter how you look at it.
Gorgon knocked Wolverine 3 times over the head and put him to his knees and Wolverine had not sustanined any damage. What excuse do you have for that?
Originally posted by jrodslamIn that close of combat they're hearing should be pretty damned comparible. DD hearing Wolverine's heartbeat a few decibels higher than Wolverine can hear DD's shouldn't make a difference in this fight. They should both be able to hear eachother plenty in close combat on a fairly equivolent level.
I think DD's hearing would be more the equalizer than the radar. Radar is just extra. The main sense that would be used is the hearing. When it comes to combat speed vs faster opponents, i just see DD having the advantage there. Hes more adverse to not getting hit and fast countering because he has to.As you stated with the senses that doesnt matter, Wolvie being stronger and possibly a more skilled fighter wouldnt matter either. I still believe DD is faster when it comes down to h2h combat though.
When it comes to speed.. I sincerely do not.
I'm going to side with Daredevil in this fight. I think Murdock is just smarter and faster than Wolverine. And the only way to really beat wolverine in a fight is to initally knock him out. I think Daredevil has the fighting capabilities and the billy club to hit Wolverine in a point to knock that durable mutant down for the count.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0😐
What? All those feats I've listed are feats that happened ON-PANEL.
God, you are dense. "ON-PANEL" doesn't make one damned bit of ****ing difference if there is CONTEXT to the storyline that discredits the pretty pictures of their validity. You need to understand that the entirety of the story takes far more precedence than ONE PICTURE AT FACE VALUE.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No... no they can't. That's precisely WHY they fall into the minority of showings... and a severly outnumbered minority at that. And, precisely why they're left to be discarded
All of those feats can be measured up against a large majority of similar situations in which Wolverine has taken far more damage but still wades through it like nothing.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How many times has Wolverine been stabbed in the heart without flinching? And yet Gorgon can bring Wolverine down to his knees for seconds while Wolverine is screaming in his head, heal dammit!
Your example vs. context-
1) Wolverine was fighting tons of ninja.
2) Breathing methane gas.
3) Asphyxiation= Lower working healing factor
3) You don't know what happened next.
4) He wasn't nearly as incapacitated as he was in the DD feat.
It doesn't support the DD feat as valid.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How many times has Wolverine's face been literally blown off and yet Spiderwoman's single venom blast stuns Wolverine long enough for her to flip him over and make him stab himself in the throat?
Your feat vs. context-
1) Wolveirne crashlanded his jet into the Savage Land.
2) Had been running (possibly fighting) for a sum total of 6 hours before the New Avengers showed up.
3) Had enough damage to him that he was missing half a uniform.
4) Wasn't attempting to attack Spider Woman (Queen Skrull) when she basically surprised his ass.
5) Even after all that with claws jammed into his neck it didn't register more an affect on Wolverine than him getting angry kicking SW to the ground and forcing Luke Cage to come to her rescue.
It doesn't support the DD feat as valid and infact contradicts the notion of damage to the throat being effective completely.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How many times has Wolverine been slashed or stabbed in the neck, and yet, a single sneaky sword slash by Silver Samurai in New Avengers puts him down and lutching his throat?
Silver Samurai's energized sword cut half of Logan's head off til he hit the bone.... There's nothing precise about that kind of damage. While Wolveirne clutched his throat he was still ready to fight seconds later when the Hand arrived.. he wasn't near as incapacited as he was in the DD fight.
Your example vs. context.
1) Silver Samurai cut halfway through the enire circumfrence of Wolverine's neck.
2) Wolverine was shooting out blood like a geyser
3) Wolverine was up and ready to fight the Hand on their arrival moments later.
It doesn't support the DD feat as valid. It certainly doesn't fall under the category of "precise" when one looks that the damage that was done.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How many times has Wolverine had his guts spilled out like it was a biology class and yet, Ord guts him and he's down?
"yet, Ord guts him and he's down?"
Exactly... Ord gutting Wolverine and dropping him successfully once invalidates all the times that hasn't work with Wolverine? In your opinion I suppose.
At any rate, it's not an example of "precision".
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How many times can Wolverine take shots from class 10-20's without being sent flying and a friggin deer sends him sailing?
And you want to talk about credability.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Please. Precise damage isn't necessarily more potent. Don't twist my words. But it has been historically shown, MANY TIMES, in fact TOO MANY times for every instance to be called PIS. The very fact that nerve strikes actually do work on Wolverine pretty much makes this entire god damn conversation MOOT.
I don't have to twist anything. It's what you're arguing. If the damage caused by your notion of "precise damage" is more effective and longer lasting than the majority of Logan's showings taking far worse damage to no affect then you MUST THEREFORE think it's more potent than the times he has to heal worse of injuries.
The fact of the matter, is that historically, Wolverine has shown to take everything you've been arguing for in stride many many more times than not. I very much CAN call the DD instance PIS when there's not one other example of existing evidence to support it other than trash written by the same writer under the same pretense of bias and carelessness.
In spite of all the garbage you think supports your argument you've yet to show me one other instance of anyone one shotting Logan with an MA strike... one other instance that may at least SUPPORT your claims accurately if not validate them.
The fact that P-points work on Logan should only raise one question... "to what degree"... Cause so far we've seen two telepathic MA's put him down with multitudes of blows after blows after blows, we saw Wolverine with a taxed out healing factor and a weaker one at that take multitudes from someone generating a mass more stopping power with boken strikes, and Wolverine taxed out once again up and swinging as soon as pressure was taken off his nerves.
Any other examples of him getting one shotted? No....
Any other examples of him being so completely helpess to one hit? No....
But hey, like the Shingen example.... "It affected him AT ALL so the DD feat MUST be valid"... yeah all I have to say to that is: 🙄
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
They don't contradict crap. A boxer like Rocky Marciano, widely touted as being one of the greatest boxers because of his unnatural ability to take punishment could still get ktfo'ed by a lucky shot. And that concept has NOTHING to do with disregarding his fights or career. Your failure to understand this common sense premise is pathetic. You treat Wolverine falling to the ground and clutching his throat the same as Spiderman beating Firelord or Black Panther armbarring Silver Surfer? You even go so far as to equate it to Aunt may knocking Spiderman out with a broom handle? Two words:EPIC PHAIL
You've just equated what happened with DD and Wolverine to a "lucky shot".....
Lucky shot.... so for every opponent Rocky would fight from there on it would be credible to say X would KO him since that lucky shot put him down that one time? Cause you know... that's what you're doing... You're equating Wolverine's entire career to a one time instance and representing that as his standard... it's NOT a genuine argument and it IS a failure on your part to realize how hypocritical you're being right now.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. The fact that I often times say to people or complain to myself, "Man... can't remember the last time I ate something" is not conclusive evidence that I do in fact, not remember when I ate something. In fact, most of the time it's complete bs, but most people understand it's hyperbole to express how hungry I actually am when I've only skipped breakfast at best. It's a common expression. And his need to eat his arm is perfectly explained by his entrapment for the week or so that he was inside the ship. There's no reason to abandon common sense and insert mental retardation into Wolverine's character for the sole sake of making Wolverine look better in a single fight against Cap where he actually did pretty damn well.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
The fact that Wolverine is never shown to friggin eat his arms or legs or whatever the whole time AFTER Canada just goes to show how stupid your entire theory is. If he never ate or never slept afterwards, why isn't he going around munching on his own ass in Serbia? Oh. It must have happened off-panel. Like everything else you wished happened off-panel. And I don't know what you're talking about with Black Widow.
Yeah, this like everything else is you just talking out your ass and taking every bit of evidence that goes against you as nothing more than coincidence.
You're desperate hypocrisy is making me chuckle though... He must have also been eating stakes and drinking gallons of water off panel as well... 🙄
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Is your assertion to mental retardation being the only other option here due to your own lack of suitable intelligence?
Oh for goodness sake. From the very first issue Wolverine's being tracked and spotted by SHIELD agents. He doesn't even panic when he knows he's been spotted. If he doesn't run off like a lunatic trying to avoid being spotted at all costs, to the point that he doesn't even flinch when he spots a spotter, why are you all of a sudden assuming that Wolverine cannot afford to eat a single bite? Or sleep a single wink while on a train ride?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0And neither am I...
Gawd. You may think I'm a criminal for "lowballing" Wolverine. But at least I don't consider him an absolute mental retard who munches his own ass off-panel just to invent some supposed weakness for a SINGLE fight in which he already handled well.
Again retardation has nothing to do with it. Time constraints, spys, every law enforcement agency in the world, etc etc... and Wolverine's own blinders while seeing his way through to the end probably had something to do with it.. Nice false dychotomy though....
Soooooo anyways.....
No on-panel proof he was near 100%?
No on-panel proof that he had proper food and sleep?
No on-panel proof that the tendon crushing, 2 hitter quiter, 5 story fall to a KO, and blackout are all the standard Logan representation?
yeah... thought not.