Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
*Remember team Digi in the said winter tourney attempting to utilise Gideon for said purpose..based on single scan of copying simply physical stats of androids.
So basically, we proved that we could do it.
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Copying seems fine to me, provided it's individual characters only, not amalgams. Hell, you could make a "no tech copying" rule if people are worried about it. But if it's individuals only, copiers aren't the powerhouses that they'd need to be in order to become cheap.
You can ban Sage, of course, but with Gambit it's not about full potential. He was born with New Son'esque power- but then willingly underwent lobotomy in his teens to get rid of extra powers.
When his brain damage was temporary fixed, he got those powers- and then after the fight with New Son... well, "hint hint nudge nudge". Sage isn't the only opinion- one thing when there's speculation on further evolution, and another- when character was depowered to some power level.
Also Quicksilver as Flash? Pff... who needs it? Already-mentioned New Son's powerset is much like the speedforce. And Northstar is already lightspeedster. Being "Flash" is not about running fast.
And with SSJ it only took a good psi-intervention, and even then that wasn't OMGWTF power.
The thing that really worries me about Sage is "jumpstarting" a low level omega, like Elixir, into an abstract. Firestorm tier matter manipulator for 40 points anyone?
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
You can ban Sage, of course, but with Gambit it's not about full potential. He was born with New Son'esque power- but then willingly underwent lobotomy in his teens to get rid of extra powers.
When his brain damage was temporary fixed, he got those powers- and then after the fight with New Son... well, "hint hint nudge nudge". Sage isn't the only opinion- one thing when there's speculation on further evolution, and another- when character was depowered to some power level.And with SSJ it only took a good psi-intervention, and even then that wasn't OMGWTF power.
The thing that really worries me about Sage is "jumpstarting" a low level omega, like Elixir, into an abstract. Firestorm tier matter manipulator for 40 points anyone?
I honestly don't read much X-stuff, so I didn't know that.
If it's true though then that would mean that Gambit and Jubilee may already be over the power caps for high meta as it is, with the only reason they don't always show it being simple control issues.
Originally posted by Scoobless
I honestly don't read much X-stuff, so I didn't know that.If it's true though then that would mean that Gambit and Jubilee may already be over the power caps for high meta as it is, with the only reason they don't always show it being simple control issues.
Jubilee is mid meta at most even with powerup- detonating things on subatomic level is simply how her power work, overall power output\range isn't changed. She did blow up those Phalanx monsters, yes (it was Synch with her powers, though), but it was nothing impressive. Unlike "full power Gambit", who's legitimate mid herald at least.
The possibility of Jubilee+Sage, though, is Vertigo- alternate universe Jubilee, who was able to make energy constructs, had Invisible Woman-esque powers, and was full fledged high end high meta (not herald tier, though).
Gambit has his brain damaged so he can't access that level of power willingly. Unless you operate on him during prep time\heal him...
SSJ has undergone enormous PRcampaign in last low meta tourney, but simple "full control Jubilee" isn't anything special as she has the same effective range of power, as regular one.
Full power Gambit is another thing. It's like sneaking legitimate Speed Force user into the tourney...but once again, it's time consuming thing. Note- both Gambit and Cyclops (another brain-damaged X-Man) were healed by Elixir more than once and the healing on panel did nothing to his powerlevels.
ban sage?? meh, what do i care -- i didn't want her anyway . . .
😖hifty:
seriously, i DO understand why you'd want to ban someone like her, but you also gotta be a little careful -- there is a no-limit to the amalgams. if you ban sage (something i would support) you are only banning her because she would allow (potentially) a very powerful amalgamation. in a no-limit amalgamation tourney, banning someone because they would allow you to make a powerful amalgam seems . . . wrong. 😬
if we ARE gonna ban her, maybe we should come up with a list of loophole characters that are also banned? problem with that is that they will then need to be voted on. i'd just as soon propose names and have delph invoke his dictatorship powers and rule on them immediately. if there are REALLY strong objections, someone could pm him with evidence or reasons to prove the character should be allowed. delph could check on his own or ask a judge or 2 then rule as quickly as possible.
i'm utterly in favor of making this as simple as possible, eliminating all 'trickiness' and getting it down to debating in the strictest sense.
Originally posted by leonidas
ban sage?? meh, what do i care -- i didn't want her anyway . . .😖hifty:
seriously, i DO understand why you'd want to ban someone like her, but you also gotta be a little careful -- there is a no-limit to the amalgams. if you ban sage (something i would support) you are only banning her because she would allow (potentially) a very powerful amalgamation. in a no-limit amalgamation tourney, banning someone because they would allow you to make a powerful amalgam seems . . . wrong. 😬
if we ARE gonna ban her, maybe we should come up with a list of loophole characters that are also banned? problem with that is that they will then need to be voted on. i'd just as soon propose names and have delph invoke his dictatorship powers and rule on them immediately. if there are REALLY strong objections, someone could pm him with evidence or reasons to prove the character should be allowed. delph could check on his own or ask a judge or 2 then rule as quickly as possible.
i'm utterly in favor of making this as simple as possible, eliminating all 'trickiness' and getting it down to debating in the strictest sense.
Banning Sage sounds silly. I, for example, don't want her in my desk- waste of 20 points. There's more effective ways to use points. And no meshing\amping limits rule serves only to stimulate one's creativity in character creation.