Originally posted by illadelph12
😆Welcome back B-Dub. How was Spain?
Still in it. In fact, I should be getting ready for a test I have in about an hour.
Quick rundown of thoughts:
Ban natural duping *people with super powers/cloning (already done)
Allow single person power copying
Allow constructs, and give better parameters on what can be done with tech.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
well, a dupe by definition is an underling who acts the will of his or her boss/superior no matter the task without much thought.but in the case of maddrox, his dupes are sentient and often rebel against him. even joining terrorist organizations.
and in the case of the engineer, she is capable of budding dupes from herself due to her nanotech form, those dupes share her memories and
motives, they are her.i think the later is far more effective in a tourny and should be sanctioned more than maddrox's duping.
Engineer is low herald, darling... but you have a valid point. An outright duping (creation of self-aware, true independent constructs) and "dividing mind\body" ("remote limbs" strategy is two different thing. In first case a new truly independent beings are created. In second... it's all about how well your character can multitask, since you essentially divide your character into multiple pieces, all belonging to the single mind.
No to the self sentient duping, yes to the latter one (though it may turn out a loophole around the number of independent constructs, as well as limitation on powerlevels). There's 3 or 4 ways to do that on this level...though I'm not sure guys like Trauma, who are able to shapeshift in a group of people are allowed.
The "Madrox" duping, when each dupe is new character essentially with the mind of his own, is what I see banned. Going "Traumish"\"Angiish"...don't know, since it's not even duping in true sence of the word.
As for power copying...no copying amalgams. If you copy character individually, you can't copy the amplifications. Say if someone drafted Gambit and somehow amped him to New Son levels in prep, if you try to copy that, you'll still copy base stats Gambit.
Not sure on databases-based thing which was considered and truly was a useful loophole in previous tourney. Though with ten minutes of prep it would be difficult to utilise at all.
Tech is already capped. The current rule is that no offensive implement with more offensive output than an Ironman armor can be brought into combat. You can create defensive implements (forcefield generators, psi blockers), means of transport (self teleporters, flight enablers i.e. flight rings, etc.) and battle armor. No weapons greater than an independently powered regular Ironman's offensive output is allowed. No Doomsday devices. No power neutralizers.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I have issues with tech copying. Like for example, downloading the combat and operational data from an Iron Man armor. I'd prefer that kind of thing not carry over between rounds.
That's and was useful loophole. Let's don't go into it too much...
All in all, those things tend to benefit "team brawl" more (remember the one I've used in winter low meta tourney... all for power and no actually good prep)- those teams need to stand a chance, of course, but in general for good tech copying you need to put effort in it.
*Remember team Digi in the said winter tourney attempting to utilise Gideon for said purpose..based on single scan of copying simply physical stats of androids.
Originally posted by illadelph12
Tech copying is a gray area for me. I'm against the ability to copy someone else's weaponry outright (i.e. Gideon), but if you had feasible means to re-create a weapon from scratch on your own using your own resources in prep I'd be more willing to allow it.
Agree. Gideon's ability is straight power copying, through, and hacking data and then utilising it with avaliable resources during prep is entirey different game (that gives lot of creativity to the tourney).
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Gideon is a no limit copier. He can copy entire teams.
Already know that, darling.
Also the proposal of amendment- prep areas are abandoned (all tech etc is fully functional, but there's no people). If we allow copying singles, then unmanned prep areas are what you need.
A little question- is there any limitation on alternate (All-Star, What If..., Elsewords, Ultimate, Marvel Mangaverse (not manga, rather one of Marvel alternate universes parodying manga in terms of art)) versions of characters drafted.
I'm asking that because our norvegian friend Llagroc provided quite a challenge to me (give a Marvel Mangaverse characters the same PR I gave to K'😉. I'm going to take a challenge, I think.
Also is it allowed to have, say, 616 Emma (30 pts) and Ultimate Emma (20 pts) in one team?
What-ifs are generally one issue affairs. Meaning, they fail the 10 issue test. All-star, Ultimate and Manga-verse on the other hand, if they meet the ten issue requirement, then it's a case by case basis IMO.
The problem is of course, lack of feats and proving your case with far less evidence to research. I'm for it if it meets the 10 issue test and isn't a blatent rule break.
Same character, different universe on the same team? Iffy. REALLY iffy. I can see problems with this, but also potential.
Agree on the unmanned prep areas. Otherwise someone might try to do what you guys attempted with Seras last time. 🙄
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
What-ifs are generally one issue affairs. Meaning, they fail the 10 issue test. All-star, Ultimate and Manga-verse on the other hand, if they meet the ten issue requirement, then it's a case by case basis IMO.The problem is of course, lack of feats and proving your case with far less evidence to research. I'm for it if it meets the 10 issue test and isn't a blatent rule break.
Same character, different universe on the same team? Iffy. REALLY iffy. I can see problems with this, but also potential.
Agree on the unmanned prep areas. Otherwise someone might try to do what you guys attempted with Seras last time. 🙄
Unmanned prep areas also limit all the power copying fuss. All you can copy that way without any prep\adjustments\etc is powers of your own teammates, and then single characters from opposing teams- not that big of power ups.
No "NPCs" in prep area whatever, neutral battlefields and power copying limitations are not that worrying at all. There's always loopholes, but they're accessible via prep, and usually serious one (there's always some speculation like that was attempted in winter tourney with Seras and Gideon respectively, but the possible loopholes are not that obvious).
So on power copying (my opinion):
1. No copying from amalgams (only singles).
2. Abandoned prep areas=no direct copying from NPC.
3. Indirect (via data etc) copying can be allowed, since that requires prep, resources and not that easy to replicate. But one needs strict proof that data copying is possible. The trend of adaptoisation that ruled last NJ\Red's tourney isn't that easy to do on that level, so I say let this loophole go.
4. Directly copied powers are eraced between rounds unless it's something from pt.3
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Also, if in the 1st round some radical changes are made to the character in prep (i.e. Elixir is used to heal Oracle's spine), do those carry from round to round or you need to repeat the process in prep each time?