Delph's League of Champions Season One Discussion Thread

I'm actually against that proposal.

It's always been known that if you're caught sneaking in a character that was beyond caps, or are using an illegal tactic and someone presented evidence against you, that you'd risk a banning, even if during the match. Protection against this is not attempting to stretch the rules too far, or break them outright. There's nothing wrong with creativity, but the rules are there for a reason.

That's an official executive decision as well.

Rule violations caught during the match duration will face immediate consequences.

It's always been that way.

yeah, but when it's not "sneaking" but genuine ignorance. That's what I'm concerned with.

I'm still not sure what my extra armor did, for example, that's beyond the tech caps, other than being bigger than normal with far less functions than a normal IM armor. Nobody even produced scans to suppot the ban. Scoob thought it was like Thor-buster (a gigantic lol to that, btw) and it was banned.

srug

And it can still be used an an unfair tactic. I would've love to see my proposal instituted. Now I'm going to have to be forced to follow suit with what gives me the best chance to win...bringing any and all concerns to ill near the end of battles or even after them, to give my opponents no chance to adapt to possible rulings against them. Seems underhanded as sh*t to me, and is thus unfortunate, but I will use every legal advantage available to me.

Also bumping my proposal, so others can see it and comment:

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'd like to bring up a point for discussion. A few of us have had rulings made against us during battles. I'm the latest. Fortunately for me, it's a small part of my overall plan, and just something I dug up a day or two before battles as an afterthought in prep.

But rulings of any nature seem to convey a momentum shift, sometimes justifiably, other times completely unjustified. And it's a genuine fear to me right now that I'll get voted against because an aspect of my plan was banned, despite not being intrinsic to the battle.

Now, I'm 3-0, presumably headed to the playoffs, and not overly concerned. But what if the same thing happened in the finals? Or even semis?

As such, I want to institute a rule that all potential illegalities be brought before ill by a certain time, and ruled on by a certain time. I'll propose Tuesday at midnight for the former, Wed. at midnight for the latter (barring life complications with illadelph). Because, frankly, I think bringing up an issue mid-afternoon on Thursday (Scoob) is a bit unfair. Fortunately I was on and able to respond tonight. Many would not have been so lucky.

I got off easy this time and don't feel worse off for it. But if circumstances had been different, I'd be upset right right now. And it could also become an insidious tactic to use in the playoffs, to prevent people from having a chance to respond to a ruling and thus gain an unfair advantage. I identified 1-2 things I thought might be wrong with Kandy/id's plan, for example, and PMd ill on Monday. That should be standard protocol. Not waiting until it becomes an unfair advantage.

I say this now so someone isn't pissed off and burned later. Like I said, my situation is fortunate, but it could have easily been unfairly worse for me.

Obvious exceptions will need to be made if an illegal tactic isn't used until after those deadlines.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I'm actually against that proposal.

It's always been known that if you're caught sneaking in a character that was beyond caps, or are using an illegal tactic and someone presented evidence against you, that you'd risk a banning, even if during the match. Protection against this is not attempting to stretch the rules too far, or break them outright. There's nothing wrong with creativity, but the rules are there for a reason.

That's an official executive decision as well.

Rule violations caught during the match duration will face immediate consequences.

It's always been that way.

So I come back from a 3 shift job. I need to over look an online project on another forum, and wondered how my match went. And a legality rule broke out, that deemed the Suit drafted by Digi for Ironman illegal. Well I don’t read Transformers/Ironman crossovers. But its fairly obvious, Stark needed a suit with more kick then the extremes in order to deal with the Decipticons. Or else why would he bother?

I am tired, I am beat, and I don’t want this match to continue. Not because it favors me or not. But look at how much was posted. What more could I possibly say, that has not already bin addressed. Despite being continually drawn to repeat over and over the same thing in various topics (hey you have seen me). I am not a fan of circular logic. It is what is. Judges focus on the productivity, draw the line and address the BS.

I am tired, I am going to sleep. And if the match continues, I will not respond because I need to focus what little spare time I have left; to prepare for the next match.

Best of luck for the rest of my competitors. Please try not, to under estimate us.

- Id

Originally posted by id369
So I come back from a 3 shift job. I need to over look an online project on another forum, and wondered how my match went. And a legality rule broke out, that deemed the Suit drafted by Digi for Ironman illegal. Well I don’t read Transformers/Ironman crossovers. But its fairly obvious, Stark needed a suit with more kick then the extremes in order to deal with the Decipticons. Or else why would he bother?

Which was roughly the logic ill told me at one point.

It was an experimental armor that ran out of power way too quickly, responded clunkily, and was destroyed by Megatron easily. He later hurt Megatron while in Extremis, btw. Tony was tweaking the design as the arc ended because it hadn't operated properly. I showed every feat from the armor in our match. What part of it was > Extremis? I'll wait.

I brought it for the fun of it....if I thought it was even close to being illegal, I wouldn't have bothered to save the headache. But it's not even close to Extremis. And I have yet to hear a coherent reason why it is from anyone, including from the man who made the ruling. Others have gotten banned for scans that show feats beyond tourney limits. This thing got banned on "er, it's big."

😬

If you knew something about the arc (you admitted to not reading it) your opinion would have some merit. As it is, this is just to reinforce something that went your way without the knowledge to back it up.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I'm crying foul. And if someone calls it a cheap tactic, just remember my competitors thought to try and use seveal cheap tactics. ranging from my prep area, use of my machine saying it wasn't a team item, and the specific era of the machine.

Smurph sends his regards via this gif

Me? I just say look at my avy 🙂

Airwave is illegal.

He's turning into various forms of energy ala Monica Rambeau. And moving at light speeds.
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beamsatellitessi1kn4.jpg

He tracks energy signals across galaxies? that is some silver surfer green lantern type shit.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tracesignalsao5.jpg

Yet another reason he is far too close to the Ray, Photon, living laser etc. He's like pure energy and can change the wavelengths.
http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightyearswidecommunicamv3.jpg

His power taxes Hal Jordan and Alan Scotts shields. Now all metas have good showings but come on. Hal and Alan's shields? This nigga is not high meta.
http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightyearswidecommunicayq0.jpg

Originally posted by fangirl101
Airwave is illegal.

He's turning into various forms of energy ala Monica Rambeau. And moving at light speeds.
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beamsatellitessi1kn4.jpg

He tracks energy signals across galaxies? that is some silver surfer green lantern type shit.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tracesignalsao5.jpg

Yet another reason he is far too close to the Ray, Photon, living laser etc. He's like pure energy and can change the wavelengths.
http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightyearswidecommunicamv3.jpg

His power taxes Hal Jordan and Alan Scotts shields. Now all metas have good showings but come on. Hal and Alan's shields? This nigga is not high meta.
http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lightyearswidecommunicayq0.jpg

"He's turning into various forms of energy ala Monica Rambeau. And moving at light speeds.
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?...litessi1kn4.jpg"

Living Laser is high meta. And you've just posted his only combative power.

"He tracks energy signals across galaxies? that is some silver surfer green lantern type shit.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?...esignalsao5.jpg"

Lockjaw can track a spoor across the cosmos. Lockjaw's high herald!!11!

"Yet another reason he is far too close to the Ray, Photon, living laser etc. He's like pure energy and can change the wavelengths.
http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?...ommunicamv3.jpg"

All he's doing is intercepting wavelengths. Air-Wave is basically a living radio signal, that's demonstrated less offensive output than the best of high meta, and speed that's no higher than the high metas.

"His power taxes Hal Jordan and Alan Scotts shields. Now all metas have good showings but come on. Hal and Alan's shields? This nigga is not high meta.
http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?...ommunicayq0.jpg"

Wtf? The power to shields is something that he's intercepting from somewhere in the stars. Not Hal and Alan. Loosest argument I've ever seen on KMC.

Stop grasping at straws because your prep's illegal and you've got no options left short of cheating. Save a little dignity

Sincerely,

Smurph

Oh. And Airwave doesn't have the ten required feats appearances. Not this version of Airwave.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
"He's turning into various forms of energy ala Monica Rambeau. And moving at light speeds.
http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?...litessi1kn4.jpg"

Living Laser is high meta. And you've just posted his only combative power.

"He tracks energy signals across galaxies? that is some silver surfer green lantern type shit.
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?...esignalsao5.jpg"

Lockjaw can track a spoor across the cosmos. Lockjaw's high herald!!11!

"Yet another reason he is far too close to the Ray, Photon, living laser etc. He's like pure energy and can change the wavelengths.
http://img529.imageshack.us/my.php?...ommunicamv3.jpg"

All he's doing is intercepting wavelengths. Air-Wave is basically a living radio signal, that's demonstrated less offensive output than the best of high meta, and speed that's no higher than the high metas.

"His power taxes Hal Jordan and Alan Scotts shields. Now all metas have good showings but come on. Hal and Alan's shields? This nigga is not high meta.
http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?...ommunicayq0.jpg"

Wtf? The power to shields is something that he's intercepting from somewhere in the stars. Not Hal and Alan. Loosest argument I've ever seen on KMC.

Stop grasping at straws because your prep's illegal and you've got no options left short of cheating. Save a little dignity

Sincerely,

Smurph

I'm doing my Judge Mathis thing. Please let cooler heads prevail. I know we're all competitive, but no need to get insulting.

Don't you just love hosting ill?

😇

(and yes, I'm among the worst with persistent PMs when I'm in a controversial discussion, so I'm no better)

Eh.

When I was a Mod, I faced worse.

I can manage.

Once again. Airwave doesn't have the required feats appearances needed.

Ok. I've been doing some digging, and apparently Air-Wave only has 10 appearances:

# JSA: Our Worlds at War #1 (September 2001): "The All-Stars"
# JSA #49 (August 2003): "Princes of Darkness Part 4: Army of Darkness"
# JSA #50 (September 2003): "Princes of Darkness Part 5: The Last Light"
# JSA #51 (October 2003): "Princes of Darkness Coda: Justice Eternity"
# Birds of Prey #70 (late September 2004): "Between Dark and Dawn, Part Two: Huntress/Prey"
# Birds of Prey #72 (late October 2004): "Between Dark and Dawn, Part Four: Material Girl"
# Birds of Prey #73 (early November 2004): "Between Dark and Dawn, Part Five: Blood and Circuits"
# JSA #77 (November 2005): "Mixed Signals"
# Infinite Crisis #2 (January 2006): "The Survivors"
# Infinite Crisis #3 (February 2006): "Divine Intervention"

I'm looking into these to see if they were full on appearances and not just a couple cameos here and there.

(God dammit...)

Can help you with BOP, darling🙂

BOP #72 is not a valid appearance, he doesn't even have to do something\say the line (same reason I discounted Black Canary Wedding Special from Zachary's list of appearance- posing on group portrait=\=appearance).

BOP 73 is valid, though.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Ok. I've been doing some digging, and apparently Air-Wave only has 10 appearances:

# JSA: Our Worlds at War #1 (September 2001): "The All-Stars"
# JSA #49 (August 2003): "Princes of Darkness Part 4: Army of Darkness"
# JSA #50 (September 2003): "Princes of Darkness Part 5: The Last Light"
# JSA #51 (October 2003): "Princes of Darkness Coda: Justice Eternity"
# Birds of Prey #70 (late September 2004): "Between Dark and Dawn, Part Two: Huntress/Prey"
# Birds of Prey #72 (late October 2004): "Between Dark and Dawn, Part Four: Material Girl"
# Birds of Prey #73 (early November 2004): "Between Dark and Dawn, Part Five: Blood and Circuits"
# JSA #77 (November 2005): "Mixed Signals"
# Infinite Crisis #2 (January 2006): "The Survivors"
# Infinite Crisis #3 (February 2006): "Divine Intervention"

I'm looking into these to see if they were full on appearances and not just a couple cameos here and there.

(God dammit...)

To clear the question with appearances-10 of Zachary's appearances that actually contain feats (overall guy has about 17 appearances but some of'em have him simply present on group portrait):

Teen Titans (2003) #34 - 'The New Teen Titans, Part 1: One Year Later'
Teen Titans (2003) #37 - 'The New Teen Titans, Part 4'
52 (2006) #21 - 'Teambuilding Exercises'

Teen Titans (2003) #39 - 'Titans Around the World, Part 2'
Teen Titans (2003) #42 - 'Devil May Care'

52 (2006) #50 - 'World War III'
Shadowpact (2006) #10 - 'Cursed, Part Two of the Demon Triptych'

World War III (2007) #3 - 'Hell Is For Heroes'
Robin (1993) #166 - 'The Big Leagues'

Superman (1939) #680 - 'The Dog of Steel'
Terror Titans (2008) #1 - 'Terror Titans, Part One: The Basis of Optimism'
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That's including feats\dialogue appearances. Out of the Air-Wave 10 appearances at least 1 (Birds of Prey #72) does not contain any feats or even dialogue lines on Air-Wave's part. So Fangirl has valid point about him.

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Can help you with BOP, darling🙂

BOP #72 is not a valid appearance, he doesn't even have to do something\say the line (same reason I discounted Black Canary Wedding Special from Zachary's list of appearance- posing on group portrait=\=appearance).

BOP 73 is valid, though.

God dammit...

I was afraid of something like that.

My lead researcher told me some other stuff as well.

Hmm...