Arguably Holocaust would give Violator a hell of a fight. Why submit Violator for High or even Mid Herald Takion?
Originally posted by Scoobless
I admittedly don't read Spawn and am not that well versed on him, but isn't Violator one of his main enemies? and hasn't Spawn totally pwned him on occasion?
Originally posted by id369
Arguably Holocaust would give Violator a hell of a fight. Why submit Violator for High or even Mid Herald Takion?Spawn and Violator have a win/loss ratio with Spawn taking the majority. However I suggest you read, Spawn issue 132 - 138. It takes place in the 3rd age era.
Something to note from that: Violator uber stomped Spawn in that.
Originally posted by Takion
Woah wait, if we are taking about that Spawn and not starting from 150 then yeah it should be allowed.Something to note from that: Violator uber stomped Spawn in that.
Oh I am done with Spawn dilemma, I don’t think I can possibly add more. And a member asked about Violator vs. Spawn encounter, and I gave him strait up answer.
But I am asking you why would you submit Violator for High Herald in KMC tier list. I mean reasons?
Originally posted by id369
Oh I am done with Spawn dilemma, I don’t think I can possibly add more. And a member asked about Violator vs. Spawn encounter, and I gave him strait up answer.But I am asking you why would you submit Violator for High Herald in KMC tier list. I mean reasons?
Rules (Updated)
Sections with amendments are Bold:
Roster's and Drafting:
1. Each participant/team will be allowed to draft as many characters as they can afford within the Salary Cap. The salary cap for Season One is 125 Points. The tier based salary table is as follows:
125 Salary Cap
High Meta - 30 points
Mid Meta - 25 points
Low Meta - 20 points
High Street - 15 points
Mid Street - 10 points
Low Street - 5 points
2. Amalgamation is allowed. You can amalgamate characters at a penalty to your allotted prep time.
3. With your roster you must field a 3 (three) character team, whether they be amalgamated or individuals.
4. You are allowed, and encouraged to, reconfigure your amalgamations into any combination you wish for each battle. However, you can not reconfigure your amalgams during combat.
5. In the interest of instituting a strategic element, the configurations that each team will be using in the battle will not be known until the opening combat comments are posted in the battle. You'll know your opponents roster, but you will not know which characters the team you are facing will be fielding until battle commences.
6. Drafting: In Round One drafting will be conducted in a first come, first served basis. Each subsequent round of the draft will be the reverse picking order of the first round (first pick in rd. one getting last pick in round 2, alternating in rd. 3, and so on). Each participant will be able to post 2 draft choices per round (salary cap permitting). Once you've spent your salary cap balance and your roster has been assembled you must wait until after opening day to perform any additional roster adjustments via trades and free agency.
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2 character amalgam: 2 minutes of prep used for amalgamation process.
3 character amalgam: 4 minutes of prep used for amalgamation process.
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5 character amalgam: 8 minutes of prep used for amalgamation process.
6+ character amalgam: 10 minutes of prep used for amalgamation process.
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17. Speed Cap: Traveling speed is capped at Mach 10 (per majority vote).
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Semi-Finals: Each match will have 5 judges, the 1st Seed will face the 4th Seed and the 2nd Seed will face the 3rd seed. Also, the two losing teams in this round will advance to a Bronze Metal Match in the Finals.
Finals: Each match will have 5 judges.
Scheduling/Battle Format:
Each participant will possibly face every other participant at least once during the regular season.
Regular Season: Matches will begin on a Monday and end on Thursday. Each match will have 3 judges, and each judge vote is worth a point. The number of points accumulated during the regular season will determine seeding in the playoffs. Any ties will be resolved via the tiebreaker (which team defeated the other in their match). The top 4 participants will advance to the Semifinal Playoff Round.
Semi-Finals: Each match will have 5 judges, the 1st Seed will face the 4th Seed and the 2nd Seed will face the 3rd seed. Also, the two losing teams in this round will advance to a Bronze Metal Match in the Finals.
Schedule Update (Battlefields)
Week 1: New York City
Bdub/Smurph Vs. Scoob/Leo
Charlotte Vs. Kfish
Digi Vs. Fangirl
Bye: Kandy/id369
Week 2: Kahndaq (DC)
Bdub/Smurph Vs. Fangirl
Charlotte Vs. Scoob/Leo
Digi Vs. Kandi/id369
Bye: Kfish
Week 3: The Amazon Rain Forest
Bdub/Smurph Vs. Charlotte
FanGirl Vs. Scoob
Kandy/id369 Vs. Kfish
Bye: Digi
Week 4: The Australian Outback
Bdub/Smurph Vs. Kfish
Digi Vs. Scoob/Leo
Charlotte Vs. Kandy/id369
Bye: Fangirl
Week 5: The Savage Land (Marvel)
Charlotte Vs. Fangirl
Digi Vs. Kfish
Kandi/id369 Vs. Scoob/Leo
Bye: BDub/Smurph
Week 6: Metropolis (DC)
Charlotte Vs. Digi
Kandi/id369 vs. Fangirl
Scoob/Leo Vs. Kfish
Bye: BDub/Smurph
Week 7: Hyperbolic Time Capsule (Dragon Ball Z)
Bdub/Smurph Vs. Kandi/id369
Fangirl Vs. Kfish
Bye: Charlotte, Digi, Scoob/Leo
Week 8: Washington D.C.
Bdub/Smurph vs. Digi
Bye: Kandi/id369, Charlotte, Fangirl, Kfish, Scoob/Leo
Originally posted by Scoobless
I admittedly don't read Spawn and am not that well versed on him, but isn't Violator one of his main enemies? and hasn't Spawn totally pwned him on occasion?
Yeah. He's a demon whose family kills Hellspawns for a living. Al Simmons was the most powerful Hellspawn=the only one he couldn't pwn.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Yes, he drafted Joker.
...for 5 points... 😆
*edit
...though tier thread has Joker listed as mid street (10)...:
Originally posted by DigiMark007Street Level
High
Bane, Batgirl, Batman, Black Panther, Blacklash, Bronze Tiger, Bullseye, Captain America (U), The Cat, Constantine Drakon, Daredevil, Elektra, Green Arrow, Hawkeye, Hush, Kingpin, Lady Shiva, Ravager, Red Skull, Richard Dragon, Rose Tattoo, Shang Chi (Ultimate), Taskmaster, Union Jack, X-23, Nightwing, Red HoodMiddle
Arsenal/Red Arrow, Baron Zemo, Black Cat, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Crossbones, Deadshot, Echo, Grifter, Joker, Mach IV, Misty Knight, Moon Knight, Nick Fury (U), Nomad, Peacemaker, Punisher, Ra's Al Ghul, Turok, Wildcat, RobinLow
Alfred, Batroc, Black Widow, Catwoman, Christine Trelane, Colleen Wing, Night Thrasher, Obregon Kaine, Penguin, The Question, Riddler, Talia, White Tiger [/B]
joker prolly SHOULD be 10, but he's close enough to 5. a po'd black widow otoh would likely wreck someone like nomad and could certainly split with black cat (though her luck powers are a bit of a nuissance), deadshot, echo and fury. you don't lead the avengers and hang with the avengers baddies and come in at low street. 😬 night thrasher with his armor and gear should be mid street as well.
meh, wrong thread, but this tourney really has flashed a light on a couple . . . dubious points in the tier thread (though OVERALL, i think the tiers and placements are pretty damn solid).
Originally posted by leonidas
joker prolly SHOULD be 10, but he's close enough to 5. a po'd black widow otoh would likely wreck someone like nomad and could certainly split with black cat (though her luck powers are a bit of a nuissance), deadshot, echo and fury. you don't lead the avengers and hang with the avengers baddies and come in at low street. 😬 night thrasher with his armor and gear should be mid street as well.meh, wrong thread, but this tourney really has flashed a light on a couple . . . dubious points in the tier thread (though OVERALL, i think the tiers and placements are pretty damn solid).
Meh... Whether Joker is defibitively above LS isn't clear at all... We don't place characters based on intelligence or prep capabilities, so he's only got physical prowess going for him, and he varies a lot in that category. He's been depicted as quite a weakling.
We do, however, have a definitive line between street and meta, and nightface crosses it.
Lulz at fangirl. Simply saying that someone is "clearly" above a certain level doesn't make it so. No less than 5-6 people were in accord on Nightblade. You're the only one who thinks that about Joker....general sentiment beyond you is "well, maybe-kinda-sorta, but eh."
I'll change if there's widespread dissent (there doesn't seem to be right now) or if ill throws down a banhammer. I actually thought he was low street when I picked him, and hadn't bothered to read the tiers thread since it seemed fairly routine to me.