Originally posted by fangirl101No, but I'm going to ask about it anyways. And you haven't answered my question... I know one of the power pack siblings has done everything I said, and since you have her powers and more, it seems logical to ask.
You think Leo would let that fly? Seriously. Someone was making an analogy about the siblings feats with said powers and alex with said powers.
Originally posted by Boy Blue
No, but I'm going to ask about it anyways. And you haven't answered my question... I know one of the power pack siblings has done everything I said, and since you have her powers and more, it seems logical to ask.
It's not picking on you personally. It's because you're raising the most controversy with your picks.
Also, stalemating Supergirl (briefly, at that) <<<< doing something > Thor and BRB. We're aware of the feat. So no, you haven't addressed the question. It wasn't strictly a Power Pax feat, but his sister's, so I might be willing to let it go. But Smurph's concerns are not without justified backing.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
It's not picking on you personally. It's because you're raising the most controversy with your picks.Also, stalemating Supergirl (briefly, at that) <<<< doing something > Thor and BRB. We're aware of the feat. So no, you haven't addressed the question. It wasn't strictly a Power Pax feat, but his sister's, so I might be willing to let it go. But Smurph's concerns are not without justified backing.
Originally posted by Scoobless
I has been stated from the start that the tiers thread is merely a guide and not the last word on tier levels.X-23, for example, is clearly listed in the wrong tier in that thread.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
It's not picking on you personally. It's because you're raising the most controversy with your picks.Also, stalemating Supergirl (briefly, at that) <<<< doing something > Thor and BRB. We're aware of the feat. So no, you haven't addressed the question. It wasn't strictly a Power Pax feat, but his sister's, so I might be willing to let it go. But Smurph's concerns are not without justified backing.
The characters fangirl named (M'gann, 3rd age Spawn) are drafted for 30 points. IF Power Pax has access to the feats of ALL his siblings AND knows how to perform that, then he belongs to the 30 points category.
There ARE some high end 25pointers here (in my team, Cable in Candy's) that can be fun to work with- but that's about unlocking full potential of the characters who by established feats lie not high enough to be full-fledged high metas. The question is whether Power Pax can repeat ALL the feats of his siblings in the state "as is" without any fancy "potential unlocking" or upgrages.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
The characters fangirl named (M'gann, 3rd age Spawn) are drafted for 30 points. IF Power Pax has access to the feats of ALL his siblings AND knows how to perform that, then he belongs to the 30 points category.There ARE some high end 25pointers here (in my team, Cable in Candy's) that can be fun to work with- but that's about unlocking full potential of the characters who by established feats lie not high enough to be full-fledged high metas. The question is whether Power Pax can repeat ALL the feats of his siblings in the state "as is" without any fancy "potential unlocking" or upgrages.
Originally posted by fangirl101
He can't repeat any feats that anyone mentioned becuz they were performed AFTER he was power pax. Any feats I perform with him will have to be with unlocking. Any good debator would have known that I'm using a specific version of the character from a specific time period. And argued like hell against any feats that the siblings performed AFter said time period. Now I didn't even know about this energy absorbing feat. nor the wwh feat.
OK, thank you. But darling, stop name-calling, please. We all got your point, there's no need to be childish with your insults.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
OK, thank you. But darling, stop name-calling, please. We all got your point, there's no need to be childish with your insults.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Please point out the insult. You just called me childish. After the freaking REDICULOUS amount of scrutiny my characters are getting. When I've pointed out SEVERAl glares so far in this tourney. That have been over looked and pretty much ignored. I haven't been childish yet. I couldn't get nighblade at 15 but the joker was allowed in at 5. Miss martian stalemates a mid herald level being and is in the tourney? I've been most gracious and adult like in my calm and persistant brow raising.
Emma Frost briefly stalemated mid herald (Exodus) as well and blocked a low herald (Charles Xavier) from using his TP on X-Men. Briefly stalemating mid heralds doesn't equal being mid heralds themselves or being able to repeat all their feats.
In Nightblade case, 15 points tier is damn borderlinish. Rose Tattoo is 15pointer and her powerset allows her to kill high heralds. As I've said to other debator- it doesn't takes to be a high herald to hurt a high herald. For example, high meta Emma Frost can beat transcendent tier Jenny Quantum- does that makes Emma transcendent? Nope, it's just Jenny having a psyche of 8 years old and low to none mind control resistance.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Emma Frost briefly stalemated mid herald (Exodus) as well and blocked a low herald (Charles Xavier) from using his TP on X-Men. Briefly stalemating mid heralds doesn't equal being mid heralds themselves or being able to repeat all their feats.In Nightblade case, 15 points tier is damn borderlinish. Rose Tattoo is 15pointer and her powerset allows her to kill high heralds. As I've said to other debator- it doesn't takes to be a high herald to hurt a high herald.
Originally posted by fangirl101
That is all the more reason nightblade should have been allowed in. he's never in his career beaten anyone in the meta catagory even at the lowest levels. But rose tattoo is there and she can kill heralds. My piont is that night blade was not allowed in 15 points but the joker clearly listed at 10 was let in at 5. You don't see the double standard? And then the fuss about a specific version of a character that I chose who can only do what he and his siblings had done up until that point? You can't see where I might be just a tad aggrevated?
Not everyone here is expert in Power Pack. So Alex can use powersets of his siblings only the way he has seen them used? Damn, little time to do proper research on him.
Tiers aren't perfect, you know. There's a whole bunch of people who should be in higher tier and the tiers themselves are inconsistent. For example, Klaw is listed as low meta, while his current pure sound version is mid-to-high meta.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Not everyone here is expert in Power Pack. So Alex can use powersets of his siblings only the way he has seen them used? Damn, little time to do proper research on him.
Tiers aren't perfect, you know. There's a whole bunch of people who should be in higher tier and the tiers themselves are inconsistent. For example, Klaw is listed as low meta, while his current pure sound version is mid-to-high meta.
Originally posted by fangirl101
I thought the tiers was about over all power? Night blade can only beat a less skilled human being. Yes he can over come great dmg, but he has to reset his injuries himself if they are grave. if his legs are blown off, he'd have to get to them and reattach them. But it's ok. Black Panther brings better stuff anyway. I'm just irritated at the scrutiny of my characters. the power pack doesn't even have that many appearances.
That's better than say Deathstroke or Ravager. And X-23's tier placement isn't a gauge as it's as outdated as Klaw's (character got better feats since table placement happened).
Joker is one of the characters with fluctuating showings which allow him to be a borderline between low and mid street. He has beaten Batgirl- at the times she overrelied on her ability to read body language, and Joker, being insane, has cancelled that ability (he'd be good against guys like Taskmaster). So- Joker beat Batgirl by nullifiying her primary "power", not by being more skilled of a fighter.
Originally posted by fangirl101
And what of mister sinister? the Joker? Miss martian who clearly stalemated a MID herald level being.
So has Iron Man. Hell, Quasar once stalemated Galactus for a while. Is he abstract? Miss Martian isn't even at the top of the class in High Meta. Sinister is a world-class telepath, but brings less to the table offensively than, well, anyone else on my team. And plenty of other on others' teams as well.
Joker's borderline. It was discussed and determined to be ok.
Beyond all this, I'm not sure how citing other characters justifies your own. Each is determined on an individual basis. You'd be better off trying to make your case for him being 25 than complaining about scrutiny.
Also, Charlotte overrates Rose Tattoo like mad. Ignore that example of hers.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
That's better than say Deathstroke or Ravager. And X-23's tier placement isn't a gauge as it's as outdated as Klaw's (character got better feats since table placement happened).
Joker is one of the characters with fluctuating showings which allow him to be a borderline between low and mid street. He has beaten Batgirl- at the times she overrelied on her ability to read body language, and Joker, being insane, has cancelled that ability (he'd be good against guys like Taskmaster). So- Joker beat Batgirl by nullifiying her primary "power", not by being more skilled of a fighter.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
So has Iron Man. Hell, Quasar once stalemated Galactus for a while. Is he abstract? Miss Martian isn't even at the top of the class in High Meta. Sinister is a world-class telepath, but brings less to the table offensively than, well, anyone else on my team. And plenty of other on others' teams as well.Joker's borderline. It was discussed and determined to be ok.
Beyond all this, I'm not sure how citing other characters justifies your own. Each is determined on an individual basis. You'd be better off trying to make your case for him being 25 than complaining about scrutiny.
Also, Charlotte overrates Rose Tattoo like mad. Ignore that example of hers.
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