Sentry vs Silver Sufer

Originally posted by ultimatethor
I have seen absolutely no viable reasoning for saying that surfer cannot beat sentry.There have bin ridiculous speculations regarding how the PC may not work on sentry because of his fight against terrax. All these speculations can be classified as is ridiculous. How in the world can you say that just because sentry was able to take out terrax easily the PC cant affect him? or that none of surfers attacks can hurt Bob evn though Bob has not shown durability at that level?

Surfer could simply absorb or manipulate sentrys solar enrgy. He is on a far higher level than absorbing man so there will be no overloading of surfer.Or to make things easier surfer could trap sentry in ethel enrgy( the same material as his board) like he did spiderman, daredevil and carnage. Also if surfer could absorb an enrgy manipulator like legacy with the nega bands into his board the sentry would be no problem. Also as i have stated b4, blasting the sentry to pieces would be another valid option.

Now ive seen people saying that the sentry is far stronger than surfer and should be able to physically beat him. Now this MAY be the case that is sentry may b stronger than SS but this problem can be easily overcome. In the scan where SS drained hulk and turned him into banner, After draining hulk, SS says that he now has the savage strength of the hulk. So all SS would need to do would be to drain the sentrys enrgy and use it to amp his own strength. With this sentrys ONLY way( which can evn be argued) of winning is nullified.

SS wins this match 10/10

Bob has more than shown durability on that level... it's his impact durability that may or may not be in question.... just because King Hulk made him look like a bruised peach isn't saying much, if the Hulk at that level hit anyone repeatedly in the face many would have died, he was throwing planet breaking haymakers.

Sentry has shown on panel evidence that energy based attacks are pretty useless against him... let me bring up a few. When he taclked the Collective, he was being bombarded with many powers and was unaffected, the only way to get rid of him, was by bfr, because the Collective knew that he was about to lose. This is the same guy that killed Alpha Flight faster than they could blink.

Terrax, a being showm with the capability of destroying planets with his Power Cosmic (and with ease). Poured it on and was outputting more energy when he assaulted the Sentry than he ever had before, Sentry smiled and crushed him.

Ultron had control of lighting (electro magnetic radiation) and this had no affect on the Sentry, Ironman's repulsor blasts had no affect on the Sentry.

The Sentry held a resisting Cosmic Cube in his hands for nearly a minute, This would destroy most beings by tearing them apart, I really don't see the Silver Surfer being able to do this, if so why didn't Reed ask Norrin?

The Silver Surfer's Power Cosmic would be inneffective in dispatching the Sentry if they fought. This is more than just ABC logic, energetic assaults have failed in the past to stop, or even effect the Sentry. According to Bob's very own profile The Silver Surfer should not engage him in a shootout, because Bob hold more Cosmic Power than Norrin Radd.... The power of a Thousand exploding Suns.

The Silver Surfer went insane when he absorbed far less than the power of one Star.

The only viable way for the Silver Surfer to combat Bob, is through fisticuff.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Take surfer by doing what exactly? Surfer is more durable than hulk and sentry could not take him down. Thats besides surfers extremely strong forcefields which could basically nullify all sentrys attacks.

Sentry had the power to take Hulk. He was like standing there taking shots from the Hulk. He also went toe to toe with Genis. And I think Sentry was holding back. He's as powerful if not more so than Surfer. He's just a nut and not skilled at all.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Hmm im not sure about absorbing man being one of the top enrgy absorbers in Marvel. Also surfer has absorbed loads of enrgy from stars some evn larger than the sun without being overloaded. I dont think we should hold that showing against surfer. And evn if sentrys enrgy is more than just solar enrgy absrobing man showed it was at least drainable. Surfer does not evn need to drain all of it( Evn though he should be able to), All he needs to do is drain a sufficient amount of it to weaken sentry considerably and if he wishes to use it to amp himself.. This is also only one of surfers many ways of winning.

Still surfer wins 10/10

Originally posted by fangirl101
Sentry had the power to take Hulk. He was like standing there taking shots from the Hulk. He also went toe to toe with Genis. And I think Sentry was holding back. He's as powerful if not more so than Surfer. He's just a nut and not skilled at all.

There is no proof he is more powerful than the Surfer and its jus your opinion which is fine. But Surfer has him on feats but I do agree physically that Sentry would beat him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Imo he does not have the power to take out the WW Hulk. He fought WW Hulk going all out while the WW Hulk was calm and was nowhere near his best which was only seen at the end of the story. So Sentry burned himself out on a weaker WW Hulk. If he fought the one at the end of the story he would have been annihilated imo.

There is no proof he is more powerful than the Surfer and its jus your opinion which is fine. But Surfer has him on feats but I do agree physically that Sentry would beat him.

And what proof is there that the WWH was at his best at the end of the story? What feats does he have? None. Because why, it was the end of the story. Sentry was going all out and he destroyed a couple of blocks. Try again on someone else.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I could be wrong. But Absorbing Man isn't like the Parasite. He just takes the property of whatever he touches, energy or material. If you shoot him with energy, he could absorb it just by virtue of him being the same element. But he didn't drain Sentry to my recollection. I'm not even sure he could suck a person of their energies. I'm pretty sure Sentry just pumped his own energy into Absorbing Man, and since Absorbing Man does not have the vast telepathic guards with which to contain such energy, he couldn't keep from being overloaded. That's how I read it. Am I wrong?

Absorbing man has absorbed energy before, I posted a scan of him saying that he never felt power like that.

One instant come to mind is when he absorbed thor powers and used it against him. He basically turned himself into a living tornadoe. He also absorbed all of the avengers powers (it wasnt 616 when this happened) and killed the team with there own powers. He can absorb but I just dont think its on the level of surfers (even though it wont have any affect on bob since previous beings tried to absorb his powers but ended up absorbing the void which lead to there death.)

Originally posted by fangirl101
And what proof is there that the WWH was at his best at the end of the story? What feats does he have? None. Because why, it was the end of the story. Sentry was going all out and he destroyed a couple of blocks. Try again on someone else.

Sentry even said it feels good to finally use this power and hit someone this hard meaning he had never ever hit anyone else this hard because HE KNEW THIS CALM WW HULK COULD TAKE IT.

Again this is just my opinion but I feel I supported it nicely.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Its common sense he was much more powerful imo. His mere footsteps were causing massive collateral damage. He was uncontrollable not calm. He was angrier and its common sense the angrier Hulk gets the stronger he gets. 😉

Sentry even said it feels good to finally use this power and hit someone this hard meaning he had never ever hit anyone else this hard because HE KNEW THIS CALM WW HULK COULD TAKE IT.

Again this is just my opinion but I feel I supported it nicely.

So because he stepped and caused the ground to quake, he was more powerful than ever before? No other feats? I don't buy it. Also, you really think Sentry let off more power than when he fought Genis? come now. common sense would tell you that he didn't.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Bob has more than shown durability on that level... it's his impact durability that may or may not be in question.... just because King Hulk made him look like a bruised peach isn't saying much, if the Hulk at that level hit anyone repeatedly in the face many would have died, he was throwing planet breaking haymakers.

Sentry has shown on panel evidence that energy based attacks are pretty useless against him... let me bring up a few. When he taclked the Collective, he was being bombarded with many powers and was unaffected, the only way to get rid of him, was by bfr, because the Collective knew that he was about to lose. This is the same guy that killed Alpha Flight faster than they could blink.

Terrax, a being showm with the capability of destroying planets with his Power Cosmic (and with ease). Poured it on and was outputting more energy when he assaulted the Sentry than he ever had before, Sentry smiled and crushed him.

Ultron had control of lighting (electro magnetic radiation) and this had no affect on the Sentry, Ironman's repulsor blasts had no affect on the Sentry.

The Sentry held a resisting Cosmic Cube in his hands for nearly a minute, This would destroy most beings by tearing them apart, I really don't see the Silver Surfer being able to do this, if so why didn't Reed ask Norrin?

The Silver Surfer's Power Cosmic would be inneffective in dispatching the Sentry if they fought. This is more than just ABC logic, energetic assaults have failed in the past to stop, or even effect the Sentry. According to Bob's very own profile The Silver Surfer should not engage him in a shootout, because Bob hold more Cosmic Power than Norrin Radd.... The power of a Thousand exploding Suns.

The Silver Surfer went insane when he absorbed far less than the power of one Star.

The only viable way for the Silver Surfer to combat Bob, is through fisticuff.

Was it said that terrax poured out more power than ever before in the comic? Im using someone else's laptop otherwise i would have checked myself. Im not sure if that was ever stated or implied there

If ultron had used those elctro magnetic repulsor rays on either silver surfer,thor or WWH they too would have bin unaffected by it. It in no way shows that sentry is immune to enrgy attacks.

As for the cosmic cube thing. The reason it was given to sentry and not surfer was because the focus was meant to be on sentry who was at that time and as a matter of fact is still a relatively new character. It also does not show any evidence that he is immune to enrgy attacks as sentry evn says that he cannot hold it for long. Not to mention that we dont want to go into a battle of feats between surfer and sentry as actually channeling the crunch trumps any and evry feat sentry has in the enrgy department.

And i really dont want to go into an argument about one of the greatest hyperboles in Marvel history which is the totally baseless and unproven "milion or is it thousand exploding suns thing"

Silver surfer has shown that his power output is enough to create multiple blackholes as a side effect. And that is FAR FAR more power than anything sentry has shown to be able of generating. There are multiple ways surfer can destroy bob. Him resisting enrgy attacks from beings lower than surfer really does not make him immune to surfers attacks at all.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Sentry had the power to take Hulk. He was like standing there taking shots from the Hulk. He also went toe to toe with Genis. And I think Sentry was holding back. He's as powerful if not more so than Surfer. He's just a nut and not skilled at all.

Sentry did not take the full power of genis at all. Surfer howvwer did take the aimed to kill shots from Tenebrous and Aegis. Sentry has ABSOLUTELY no feat to prove that he is on surfers level.

Originally posted by fangirl101
So because he stepped and caused the ground to quake, he was more powerful than ever before? No other feats? I don't buy it. Also, you really think Sentry let off more power than when he fought Genis? come now. common sense would tell you that he didn't.

Again Sentry tells you that used more power than he ever had previously. Thats the gist and its also supported by the other characters as well.

My theory is supported while yours isnt. Thats the difference.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Sentry did not take the full power of genis at all. Surfer howvwer did take the aimed to kill shots from Tenebrous and Aegis. Sentry has ABSOLUTELY no feat to prove that he is on surfers level.

Surfer is absolutely over rated. and please show me where Genis was holding back against Sentry. Of course surfer wins. but it won't be due to him over powering sentry. It would be due to sentry being an idiot and a nut.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Sentry did not take the full power of genis at all. Surfer howvwer did take the aimed to kill shots from Tenebrous and Aegis. Sentry has ABSOLUTELY no feat to prove that he is on surfers level.

Originally posted by carver9
Absorbing man has absorbed energy before, I posted a scan of him saying that he never felt power like that.

One instant come to mind is when he absorbed thor powers and used it against him. He basically turned himself into a living tornadoe. He also absorbed all of the avengers powers (it wasnt 616 when this happened) and killed the team with there own powers. He can absorb but I just dont think its on the level of surfers (even though it wont have any affect on bob since previous beings tried to absorb his powers but ended up absorbing the void which lead to there death.)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Right. He can "absorb." But he doesn't drain. Like if he grabs onto Mjolnir, he would absorb the properties of Mjolnir, but that wouldn't drain Mjolnir of any power, and despite how long he held onto it, he couldn't suck the power from Mjolnir. I'm pretty sure that's how his powers work. He's more like Transmuting-Self Man, then Absorbing Man. But if anybody has scans where he grabbed onto an opponent and sucked their powers from them, by all means.

I'm amost sure absorbing man has drained someone of thier power.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And what proof is there that the WWH was at his best at the end of the story? What feats does he have? None. Because why, it was the end of the story. Sentry was going all out and he destroyed a couple of blocks. Try again on someone else.

What kind of ridiculous logic is this? WWH at the end of the story was releasing more enrgy than he has in his entire history. There is also the obvious thing of him taking a casual footstep an doing more damage and causing more devastation than he did throughout the whole of WWH . How can u say that it does not prove that he was more powerful at the end of the arc? Lets not forget that he was actually not trying to destroy anything and so was trying to apply only the force it takes to take a step. Howvwer at that point his taking a step was equivalent to wrecking the eastern seaboard. He had bin taking such steps throughout the arc and evn stomped multiple times without evn one tenth of this happeneing. It is just ridiculous.

Then to finish it off he was madder at that time than any other time in the arc and evn you should know what that means.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I'm amost sure absorbing man has drained someone of thier power.

... but then hell would freeze over... fear

... you don't want hell to freeze over do you? dur

I thought not. uhuh

Originally posted by fangirl101
I'm amost sure absorbing man has drained someone of thier power.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Surfer is absolutely over rated. and please show me where Genis was holding back against Sentry. Of course surfer wins. but it won't be due to him over powering sentry. It would be due to sentry being an idiot and a nut.

You are obviously not serious. Genis was able to take king thor, and yet can be stalemated by sentry? Gimme a break. As i said show me some feats that prove Sentry has a greater power output than surfer. I guarantee u will find noe that come evn close. Tell me again. How will sentry beat surfer who is more durable than hulk? How will he take him out? What will sentry do when surfer blinks and traps him in a an enrgy field, creates and blackhole and then proceeds to crush the sentry?

Originally posted by ultimatethor
What kind of ridiculous logic is this? WWH at the end of the story was releasing more enrgy than he has in his entire history. There is also the obvious thing of him taking a casual footstep an doing more damage and causing more devastation than he did throughout the whole of WWH . How can u say that it does not prove that he was more powerful at the end of the arc? Lets not forget that he was actually not trying to destroy anything and so was trying to apply only the force it takes to take a step. Howvwer at that point his taking a step was equivalent to wrecking the eastern seaboard. He had bin taking such steps throughout the arc and evn stomped multiple times without evn one tenth of this happeneing. It is just ridiculous.

Then to finish it off he was madder at that time than any other time in the arc and evn you should know what that means.

He was madder and yet he is held up on a cell? goodness such power.