Originally posted by RobtardHow many sniper shots does 47 take? One? Two?
It's clearly shown in the movie that 47 is far superior at being a sniper, period. Funny how shooting a helicopter from close range counts for Swagger being such a bad-ass, yet 47 getting a head-shot from 4 km doesn't. More bais as expected.Funny how you assume 47 doesn't plan ahead for his prey, like he's just some hired gangbanger that does wild-spray drive bys.
Probably get him? He's the superior sniper. He'd get him.
"47 never shot in a wooded area, so he can't shoot in a wooded area". LoL, that.
The sad thing, you actually think your arguments are logical and objective.
Yeah, thats how I see 47, a hired thug. As if.
My arguments here are right on, you are just too proud to admit that in a wooded environment, in Swaggers element, 47 is toast.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How many sniper shots does 47 take? One? Two?Yeah, thats how I see 47, a hired thug. As if.
My arguments here are right on, you are just too proud to admit that in a wooded environment, in Swaggers element, 47 is toast.
One that blew away anything Swagger ever did, 4 km. He's a far superior sniper, yet he loses to an inferior sniper.
That and a moron, because it happens to be convenient here.
Your argument is essentially:
'Swagger will find a wooded area (in Philly) to hide in that has a position where he can't be shot from above or approached from the rear, left or right. Then he will wait as long as he needs to until Agent 47 (the best assassin) comes into range, because Agent 47 surely would.'
It's an illogical mess, eveyone but you can easily see this.
Originally posted by RobtardOne, right. Swagger takes far more than one, it's what he does, he snipes. BTW: You do realize that 4 kilos is like 2.5 miles, right? Not a rifle in the world makes that shot that I am aware of. But if you want to cling to that little nugget because.....wait a second.....was it STATED in the movie that 47 took a shot that long? Did someone actually SAY it? All I saw was a link, I have seen not one part of Hitman that actually says that.
One that blew away anything Swagger ever did, 4 km. He's a far superior sniper, yet he loses to an inferior sniper.That and a moron, because it happens to be convenient here.
Your argument is essentially:
'Swagger will find a wooded area (in Philly) to hide in that has a position where he can't be shot from above or approached from the rear, left or right. Then he will wait as long as he needs to until Agent 47 (the best assassin) comes into range, because Agent 47 surely would.'
It's an illogical mess, eveyone but you can easily see this.
Illogical mess? Not really. It's likely what Swagger would do.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
One, right. Swagger takes far more than one, it's what he does, he snipes. BTW: You do realize that 4 kilos is like 2.5 miles, right? Not a rifle in the world makes that shot that I am aware of. But if you want to cling to that little nugget because.....wait a second.....was it STATED in the movie that 47 took a shot that long? Did someone actually SAY it? All I saw was a link, I have seen not one part of Hitman that actually says that.Illogical mess? Not really. It's likely what Swagger would do.
One bullet is all 47 would need. What does it matter how many shots Swagger made, when the fact remains that they were all inferior to 47's? Rifle existing or not, "it's in the movie", why shouldn't it count now. I believe it is, it's to let the movie watchers know what a bad-ass 47 is, action movies do this.
Wait, does Swagger ever get a kill while he's in a heavily wooded area? The type of are that would give his the 3 points of cover you said he'd need? I remember the house scene, but that wasn't wooded all that much, by your logic, Swagger can't make that shot, sorry.
You're assuming the perfect area like that exist in Philly. You're assuming Swagger would do that. You're assuming 47 would just stroll into range. Nice.
Originally posted by RobtardAnd one bullet is all Swagger would need, whats your point? You are making 47 out to be Batman and shit.
One bullet is all 47 would need. What does it matter how many shots Swagger made, when the fact remains that they were all inferior to 47's? Rifle existing or not, "it's in the movie", why shouldn't it count now. I believe it is, it's to let the movie watchers know what a bad-ass 47 is, action movies do this.Wait, does Swagger ever get a kill while he's in a heavily wooded area? The type of are that would give his the 3 points of cover you said he'd need? I remember the house scene, but that wasn't wooded all that much, by your logic, Swagger can't make that shot, sorry.
You're assuming the perfect area like that exist in Philly. You're assuming Swagger would do that. You're assuming 47 would just stroll into range. Nice.
BTW, here is the clip of the sniper shot
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At the :42 second mark, after the guy is shot, the camera zooms in on where 47 is located, the tall building. 4 kilometers? Not even close.
The federal agent getting off the plane in this vid, at the 1:15 mark
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He says "The Russians said that belakov (whatever) was grazed by a bullet at a range of over four kilometers." But what we SEE is a shot taken from MAYBE a mile, MAYBE. So 47 making a shot of 4 kilometers is out the window.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well too bad it wasn't stated otherwise, too late for that now.
No it's not too late. You once changed opinions on using novels Luke, remember? Besides, it's just us three having this convo, ain't no 'too late'. It was said, fight takes place in Philly, first thing that comes to mind is: Oh! It's an urban environment! Viola! Swagger's dead.
Originally posted by ScytheI changed on using novel Swagger, not Luke, get it right.
No it's not too late. You once changed opinions on using novels Luke, remember? Besides, it's just us three having this convo, ain't no 'too late'. It was said, fight takes place in Philly, first thing that comes to mind is: Oh! It's an urban environment! Viola! Swagger's dead.
So Swagger, smart as he is, realizing he stands a better chance in his element in the woods, is gonna stay in a dense business district? You realize how stupid that sounds?
Philadelphia is a big city, there are plenty of wooded environments to be taken advantage of. Swagger can be on the outskirts on the city and still be "in the city."
Changing that now would be done for one reason and one reason only, to gimp Swagger and put him in an environment where 47 has the upper hand.
Fair and even playing field, which, in this matchup, does not exist. One combatant has a great advantage or the other, thats all there is to it. No gray area.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I changed on using novel Swagger, not Luke, get it right.So Swagger, smart as he is, realizing he stands a better chance in his element in the woods, is gonna stay in a dense business district? You realize how stupid that sounds?
Philadelphia is a big city, there are plenty of wooded environments to be taken advantage of. Swagger can be on the outskirts on the city and still be "in the city."
Changing that now would be done for one reason and one reason only, to gimp Swagger and put him in an environment where 47 has the upper hand.
Fair and even playing field, which, in this matchup, does not exist. One combatant has a great advantage or the other, thats all there is to it. No gray area.
I was talking about you wanting to use Novel Luke in the Neo Vs. Luke thread, you brought it up, and it started. Don't you ever correct me.
Outskirts of a city aren't exactly heavy in the forest area.
Such a place where Swagger cannot be reached from the left, right, top or back is hard to believe.
Here's where things get tricky, you're saying if Swagger stays in the city, it's gimping Swagger, but don't understand that Swagger retreating to a forest is gimping 47?
Hmm... I don't know what to make of this now.
Swagger retreats to a magical forest that suddenly appears in Philly with towering trees: If this happens, 47 is being gimped.
Swagger stays in the city of Philly: Can't have that as it's gimping Swagger.
So it's come to anotheer agree to disagree moments, since none of us will be proven wrong.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He says "The Russians said that belakov (whatever) was grazed by a bullet at a range of over four kilometers." But what we SEE is a shot taken from MAYBE a mile, MAYBE. So 47 making a shot of 4 kilometers is out the window.
It looks far, can't say how far as the camera is zooming in incredibly fast. Either way, the movie clearly states "four km", so that's what it is, or is the "it's in the movie" clause not valid when it shows how much better the guy you want to see lose is?
Your constant double-standards get old, you're by far the most dishonest poster in the Vs. forum.
BTW, this is the reason why so many people are often hostile towards you, constant dishonest and back-handed tactics are insulting to the people on the receiving end.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I have already explained what went on in this scene, it was indeed counter intel. You have been bested here, accept it.
Um no. You still don't know what counter-intel is. Taking a picture of a no. plate is not counter-intel. When you keep insisting it is, it shows how ignorant and dumb you are.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Jeezuz, and I am accused of dragging bad analogies into debates. Did you actually read what you posted?
No actually, substitute pistol=intel, crossbow=counter-intel, and its the same point I'm trying to get across to you. Yes, its quite a simple analogy, but it usually works on the simple-minded. Evidently, I overestimated your intelligence.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You do realize that 4 kilos is like 2.5 miles, right? Not a rifle in the world makes that shot that I am aware of .
Just proves you aren't aware of much, if anything at all.
Someone already proved you wrong earlier in this topic.
Did you really think everyone would forget so you could bring up the same BS again?
So you evidently don't know much about snipers or sniping, and you don't know what counter-intel is, yet you continue to pretend like you have some knowledge on these topics.
BTW, lol at hiding in a park. Clearly don't know crap about sniping -again.
Your constant double-standards get old, you're by far the most dishonest poster in the Vs. forum.
Haha, its even in his sig that he's dishonest. 😂
Originally posted by ScytheI'll correct you when you are wrong, believe that shit. You said I changed using novel Luke, I never did so.
I was talking about you wanting to use Novel Luke in the Neo Vs. Luke thread, you brought it up, and it started. Don't you ever correct me.Outskirts of a city aren't exactly heavy in the forest area.
Such a place where Swagger cannot be reached from the left, right, top or back is hard to believe.
Here's where things get tricky, you're saying if Swagger stays in the city, it's gimping Swagger, but don't understand that Swagger retreating to a forest is gimping 47?
Hmm... I don't know what to make of this now.
Swagger retreats to a magical forest that suddenly appears in Philly with towering trees: If this happens, 47 is being gimped.
Swagger stays in the city of Philly: Can't have that as it's gimping Swagger.
So it's come to anotheer agree to disagree moments, since none of us will be proven wrong.
I already said that there is either advantage Swagger or advantage 47.
I agree with you on the last part.
Originally posted by PlacidityOK then, you tell me. What rifle in the world can shoot 2.5 miles? Hmm?
Just proves you aren't aware of much, if anything at all.Someone already proved you wrong earlier in this topic.
Did you really think everyone would forget so you could bring up the same BS again?
So you evidently don't know much about snipers or sniping, and you don't know what counter-intel is, yet you continue to pretend like you have some knowledge on these topics.
BTW, lol at hiding in a park. Clearly don't know crap about sniping -again.
Haha, its even in his sig that he's dishonest. 😂
You are very good at SAYING I am wrong, how's about you PROVE it? Yeah, thats a challenge. Bring it or STFU about it.