Originally posted by RobtardI remember that. I also remember Swagger taking out a small army all by his lonesome.
Let's see, your angle for Swagger winning was 'Swagger sniping 47', you have yet to accept that 47 can kill at 2-3 times the distance that Swagger could on his best day, otherwise you would have conceded that Swagger is outclassed in any scenario and ended the nonsense.Remember the "expert in every aspect of combat" and "the very best of them" clause 47 has?
Originally posted by RobtardI have heard you argue that 47 would not "boldly stroll" into the woods looking for Swagger, that he wouldn't put himself in a position where Swagger would have a shot. You still stand by this?
How does that ability stop a bullet fired from 2+ miles away from hitting him in the head?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I have heard you argue that 47 would not "boldly stroll" into the woods looking for Swagger, that he wouldn't put himself in a position where Swagger would have a shot. You still stand by this?
You parsed it. I argued that if 47 was looking for Swagger and he knew Swagger was in the woods (in Philly no less) and that Swagger was an expert sniper, he wouldn't just run into the woods like an idiot.
Edit: That's when I started with the notion that 47 would use a sniper once he had deduced Swagger's position. Which of course you went off on a tangent that Swagger would certainly find the miracle place to hide where he couldn't be hit from any angle, blah, blah, blah.
Originally posted by RobtardAnd you think Swagger, knowing 47 has a rifle capable of shooting from two miles out, will place himself in a position where 47 will be able to snipe him? 47 is not an idiot, nor is Swagger.
You parsed it. I argued that if 47 was looking for Swagger and he knew Swagger was in the woods (in Philly no less) and that Swagger was an expert sniper, he wouldn't just run into the woods like an idiot.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And you think Swagger, knowing 47 has a rifle capable of shooting from two miles out, will place himself in a position where 47 will be able to snipe him? 47 is not an idiot, nor is Swagger.
Which of course certainly exist in your imaginary 100 acre woods in Philly.
So what do we have to go on?
If we go on what we just see, 47 is better in every scenario.
If we go on what is said, then "expert in every aspect of combat" and "the very best" trumps Swagger killing 70 men and a chopper.
It comes down to a fictional super assassin who happens to be the best vs a fictional kick-ass soldier.
Edit: You're also not factoring in the obvious, if Swagger is going to sniper from some angle, then 47 can use that same angle to hit Swagger, but from a far greater distance, ergo, he wins.
Originally posted by RobtardIt's not guaranteed it will be a sniper battle, is it?
Which of course certainly exist in your imaginary 100 acre woods in Philly.
So what do we have to go on?Nope. Swagger took out almost 100 men and two choppers and walked away unscathed. Swagger owns 47 if it is an urban scenario, like for instance if they are using handguns or assault rifles. Simple math.If we go on what we just see, 47 is better in every scenario.
If we go on what is said, then "expert in every aspect of combat" and "the very best" trumps Swagger killing 70 men and a chopper.What is said is Swagger took out a small army. All alone. So one man, even as well trained as 47 is, would be no problem for him.It comes down to a fictional super assassin who happens to be the best vs a fictional kick-ass soldier.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It's not guaranteed it will be a sniper battle, is it?Nope. Swagger took out almost 100 men and two choppers and walked away unscathed. Swagger owns 47 if it is an urban scenario, like for instance if they are using handguns or assault rifles. Simple math.
What is said is Swagger took out a small army. All alone. So one man, even as well trained as 47 is, would be no problem for him.
(Impediment, see what I mean?)
Hahahaha, this is too much. You firmly stood on the ground that Swagger would have to snipe to win, now that you have had to accept 47 being the better sniper, you move the goal post. You also firmly held the position of "urban: 47 wins, Woods: Swagger wins", now you change stances because a dense forest in Philly isn't reasonable. You're a dishonest clown.
Do you think any of those 70 men were "experts in every aspect of combat" and "the very best"?
Originally posted by RobtardI firmly stood on the ground that Swagger would have to snipe to win before all the drama about what is seen versus what is told us.
(Impediment, see what I mean?)Hahahaha, this is too much. You firmly stood on the ground that Swagger would have to snipe to win, now that you have had to accept 47 being the better sniper, you move the goal post. Then you firmly held the position of "urban: 47 wins, Woods: Swagger wins", now you change stances because a dense forest in Philly isn't reasonable.
Do you think any of those 70 men were "experts in every aspect of combat" and "the very best"?
I never brought up Swagger killing 100 men because it's not like I saw him do it, it's not like I was like "He killed one, two, there's three and four.....50....oh shit 70 men."
It was SAID that he did it, so therefore here, it is LAW.
One man against 70 and a chopper, then again against 28 and a chopper, taking them ALL out and walking away unscathed, yeah, he will OWN 47.
The men in the beginning were soldiers, trained in the art of warfare. The men in the cabin scene were mercenaries, who are often more deadly than trained soldiers. If Swagger took them all out, tag on the toe dead, he can surely handle one man, even one as well trained as 47.
Originally posted by shivIndeed. Unfortunately thats a fact that will go unnoticed.
Those 70 men were on home territory Swagger was operating without territorial advantage behind enemy lines on enemy soil where the enemy soldiers were born and raisedSwagger's agility in syncing immediately with any environment enables him to stay ahead of 47 whether in the city or the woods.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I firmly stood on the ground that Swagger would have to snipe to win before all the drama about what is seen versus what is told us.I never brought up Swagger killing 100 men because it's not like I saw him do it, it's not like I was like "He killed one, two, there's three and four.....50....oh shit 70 men."
It was SAID that he did it, so therefore here, it is LAW.
One man against 70 and a chopper, then again against 28 and a chopper, taking them ALL out and walking away unscathed, yeah, he will OWN 47.
The men in the beginning were soldiers, trained in the art of warfare. The men in the cabin scene were mercenaries, who are often more deadly than trained soldiers. If Swagger took them all out, tag on the toe dead, he can surely handle one man, even one as well trained as 47.
All that and you couldn't fit in answering my simple question?
Originally posted by shiv
Those 70 men were on home territory Swagger was operating without territorial advantage behind enemy lines on enemy soil where the enemy soldiers were born and raisedSwagger's agility in syncing immediately with any environment enables him to stay ahead of 47 whether in the city or the woods.
Really now, did whomever said that about Swagger go into that great detail or are you pulling an RJ, ie pulling more turds from your ass?
What?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I read your post very carefully and answered all you asked.
You're either lying or a very poor reader, here, I'll repost it in bold:
Originally posted by Robtard
Do you think any of those 70 men were "experts in every aspect of combat" and "the very best"?
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Another thing of note, 47 is trying to assassinate Swagger, he happens to be the very best assassin in the world to the point of being above human capable, you're essentially arguing that Swagger is the very best counter-assassin in the world. Just silly.
Originally posted by Robtard
You're either lying or a very poor reader, here, I'll repost it in bold:Do you?
Yes, I got that, I responded with this:
Originally posted by Rogue JediThe men in the beginning were soldiers, trained in the art of warfare. The men in the cabin scene were mercenaries, who are often more deadly than trained soldiers. If Swagger took them all out, tag on the toe dead, he can surely handle one man, even one as well trained as 47.
And as for this:
Another thing of note, 47 is trying to assassinate Swagger, he happens to be the very best assassin in the world to the point of being above human capable, you're essentially arguing that Swagger is the very best counter-assassin in the world. Just silly.I am arguing that Swagger has done things in the movies that 47 hasn't, like taking on small armies and owning them. 47 goes up against a guy of Swaggers caliber and he is toast.
Trained from birth means helps, no doubt, but you have to acknowledge all that Swagger has done.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yes, I got that, I responded with this:And as for this:
I am arguing that Swagger has done things in the movies that 47 hasn't, like taking on small armies and owning them. 47 goes up against a guy of Swaggers caliber and he is toast.
Trained from birth means helps, no doubt, but you have to acknowledge all that Swagger has done.
Which wasn't an answer. Now you're trying to bate me into insulting you by using that "I did, look" when you fatually didn't. I believe Bardock42 especially hates it when you pull this tactic on him, which you have many a time.
Which is arguing that Swagger is the ultimate counter-assassin, because the the worlds best assassin couldn't pull off a kill, not at close or long range when "Shooter" is the target. Which is a just silly.
Swagger has done many impressive feats, I know as I've watched the movie. He hasn't done anythig that tops "expert in every aspect of combat" and "the very best" though.
Originally posted by RobtardI'm not trying to bait you, you asked questions, I answered, and you dont like the answers.
Which wasn't an answer. Now you're trying to bate me into insulting you by using that "I did, look" when you fatually didn't. I believe Bardock42 especially hates it when you pull this tactic on him, which you have many a time.Which is arguing that Swagger is the ultimate counter-assassin, because the the worlds best assassin couldn't pull off a kill, not at close or long range when "Shooter" is the target. Which is a just silly.
Swagger has done many impressive feats, I know as I've watched the movie. He hasn't done anythig that tops "expert in every aspect of combat" and "the very best" though.
Yes, Swagger has pulled many impressive feats, and I am not saying 47 is a slouch, but let's get real. 47 has never faced 70 men and a chopper AND 28 men and a chopper, took them all out, AND escaped a nationwide manhunt.
I never said Swagger was a "Counter assassin", does such a thing exist?
47 is quoted as an "expert in every aspect of combat" and "the very best.." Swagger is described as "The best." So? Sorta leaves us at a stalemate at what is said, doesnt it? Is "the best" a higher title in Hitmans world than it is in Swaggers?
"An expert in every aspect of combat." Lets think about that one. Bob Lee has shown his prowess with a sniper rifle, an assault rifle, pistol, hand to hand combat, stealth, explosives, counter intel, pretty much "every aspect of combat." So it's safe to say, from what we are shown and told, that Bob Lee is also "An expert in every aspect of combat."
Difference is Swagger is said to be these things AND has taken out small armies and helicopters all by himself. We are SHOWN what he can do in addition to be TOLD what he can do.