Originally posted by quanchi112
Now with this logic I can say can Monarch kill a cancerverse being while there ? That's the type of logic at it's most hideous because it ignores how these characters match up.
That has nothing to do with this... I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. 😬
I'll bite though...
Well with that logic, I could ask could thanos kill a cancerverse being without death there with him.
Either way, enough with the questions that mean nothing. Again, do you think that thanos can defeat about 50 captain atoms, three supermen (one of which is more powerful than the other two combined) at the same time effortlessly?
Originally posted by Sirius77Yes, as it was his power as her avatar. The problem is even if they couldn't replicate the other's feats that has nothing to do with how they match up with each other. It's bad logic.
That has nothing to do with this... I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. 😬I'll bite though...
Well with that logic, I could ask could thanos kill a cancerverse being without death there with him.
Either way, enough with the questions that mean nothing. Again, do you think that thanos can defeat about 50 captain atoms, three supermen (one of which is more powerful than the other two combined) at the same time effortlessly?
The point is Thanos doesn't have to beat them but I can throw your logic for a tailspin and say he beats Prime the one that faced Monarch and was powering down when he defeated him.
Originally posted by quanchi112... no. Considering out of every being in DC Prime with amp was selected as the only possible contender with Monarch at the time. So what you're saying is that Thanos is stronger than any character in DC.... yeah.... sure...
Yes, as it was his power as her avatar. The problem is even if they couldn't replicate the other's feats that has nothing to do with how they match up with each other. It's bad logic.The point is Thanos doesn't have to beat them but I can throw your logic for a tailspin and say he beats Prime the one that faced Monarch and was powering down when he defeated him.
Originally posted by Uriel005Dan Didio's opinion about dc characters only pertains to dc characters. I'm a fan of Prime too but I never saw him competing with Thanos. I am sure this doesn't shock you but Thanos is mentally as tough as you can be while Prime is as mentally unstable as you can be.
... no. Considering out of every being in DC Prime with amp was selected as the only possible contender with Monarch at the time. So what you're saying is that Thanos is stronger than any character in DC.... yeah.... sure...
Thanos also has shielding, intelligence to keep Prime at bay who just loses his cool and spazzes out. Thanos has also taken On doin while weaker and without shields and still wasn't taken down for a lengthy fight.
Thanos has the power to breach the containment unit and bye bye Monarch.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, as it was his power as her avatar. The problem is even if they couldn't replicate the other's feats that has nothing to do with how they match up with each other. It's bad logic.
The point is Thanos doesn't have to beat them but I can throw your logic for a tailspin and say he beats Prime the one that faced Monarch and was powering down when he defeated him. [/B][/QUOTE]
That makes no sense.
Kicking the asses of 50 captain atoms and three supermen with raw power alone is one thing. Acting as a cosmic finger puppet for death for a while and then getting left by her is another. Thanos was incapable of doing any of that without death. If you're going to use that feat, the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise. Either way, I don't see what your point is one way or another.
Yes thanos does have to beat them if he doesn't want to get his ass kicked by monarch. So do you think he can? If he can, then he is on par with a weaker version of monarch.
Originally posted by Sirius77
The point is Thanos doesn't have to beat them but I can throw your logic for a tailspin and say he beats Prime the one that faced Monarch and was powering down when he defeated him.
That makes no sense.
Kicking the asses of 50 captain atoms and three supermen with raw power alone is one thing. Acting as a cosmic finger puppet for death for a while and then getting left by her is another. Thanos was incapable of doing any of that without death. If you're going to use that feat, the burden of proof is on you to prove otherwise. Either way, I don't see what your point is one way or another.
Yes thanos does have to beat them if he doesn't want to get his ass kicked by monarch. So do you think he can? If he can, then he is on par with a weaker version of monarch. [/B][/QUOTE] Thanos was given the power as her avatar only when she later appeared did she do anything under her own power. That's exactly what the comic presented. Defeating all those tiers is impressive but it has nothing to do with the fact Prime under his own power defeated him due to his own strength and the fact I believe Thanos has more than displayed the power necessary to completely tear open his armor.
Most powerful version of Monarch failed against the only above top tier character he faced and Thanos is well beyond a top tier so he loses.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was given the power as her avatar only when she later appeared did she do anything under her own power. That's exactly what the comic presented. Defeating all those tiers is impressive but it has nothing to do with the fact Prime under his own power defeated him due to his own strength and the fact I believe Thanos has more than displayed the power necessary to completely tear open his armor.Most powerful version of Monarch failed against the only above top tier character he faced and Thanos is well beyond a top tier so he loses.
Death was with thanos the entire time. There is no evidence whatsoever to say that he could do so without her. It was revealed that Death piggybacked her way into the cancerverse through thanos, which means she came there with him. Which means that she was with him the whole time waiting for an opportunity to "kill" the cancerverse. Also, she was the only one that did do anything under her own power to save 616. She touched Vell and used him as a conduit (as it seemed to be implied) to harm the cancerverse beings. The entire time she was with thanos empowering him. Why else would he be able to do all of those things?
It doesn't really matter if Prime was losing his amp. The amp never mattered to me. He did literally nothing with it (except torture a 5 dimensional imp) that he couldn't do without it. Punching through dimensions he's done. Busting planets? Well.... he's shifted the center of the universe from Oa by moving planets around at faster than light speeds. So I don't see why monarch getting his armor torn open by someone that rips through dimensions casually is a low feat, or even lends to the idea that thanos could do the same as a result. This is all considering the fact that the only being to tear monarch's armor open was a being that punches through dimensions .... I'd wager his armor is very sturdy.
As I said before, Prime is well above top tier as well.
Please list for me the feats of these fodder Captain Atoms.. I'd like to know who they beat that somehow makes you think this was uber impressive. It wasn't even all of them at the same time. Did you just list prime as someone impressive that he fought? He lost to prime.. and not in impressive fashion. I would hardly call that something to write home about.
Originally posted by Sirius77The fact he was still unkillable after she left him. Do you just conveniently forget this minor detail or the fact Thanos did everything under his own power and the fact she only intervened during the ritual one time.
Death was with thanos the entire time. There is no evidence whatsoever to say that he could do so without her. It was revealed that Death piggybacked her way into the cancerverse through thanos, which means she came there with him. Which means that she was with him the whole time waiting for an opportunity to "kill" the cancerverse. Also, she was the only one that did do anything under her own power to save 616. She touched Vell and used him as a conduit (as it seemed to be implied) to harm the cancerverse beings. The entire time she was with thanos empowering him. Why else would he be able to do all of those things?It doesn't really matter if Prime was losing his amp. The amp never mattered to me. He did literally nothing with it (except torture a 5 dimensional imp) that he couldn't do without it. Punching through dimensions he's done. Busting planets? Well.... he's shifted the center of the universe from Oa by moving planets around at faster than light speeds. So I don't see why monarch getting his armor torn open by someone that rips through dimensions casually is a low feat, or even lends to the idea that thanos could do the same as a result. This is all considering the fact that the only being to tear monarch's armor open was a being that punches through dimensions .... I'd wager his armor is very sturdy.
As I said before, Prime is well above top tier as well.
Thanos did everything under his own power if what you say is true then she wouldn't need to come out at all since death was always inside Thanos. You seem very desperate.
The amp greatly augmented his powers so I do think it makes a huge difference since he was a lot more powerful than usual and the writers made this very clear.
A green lantern ruptured his face plate and Prime only busted through dimensional barriers before and if nor for the events of infinite crisis those feats wouldn't be possible. Two mjolnirs have affected all of reality before so please lay off the hyperbole here.
So you agree the only time he faced someone above top tier he lost. Thanks for agreeing with me.