Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He would wreck Thanos LOL LOL. Sure buddy. Regardless, that isn't much of an argument of why Monarch beats Thanos.. when the best person Monarch fought.. he got tooled. Thanos hasn't lost to people that would destroy monarch with ease. What does that say?
That you're an idiot. 😐
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He would wreck Thanos LOL LOL. Sure buddy. Regardless, that isn't much of an argument of why Monarch beats Thanos.. when the best person Monarch fought.. he got tooled. Thanos hasn't lost to people that would destroy monarch with ease. What does that say?
Did you read a different comic?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Please list for me the feats of these fodder Captain Atoms.. I'd like to know who they beat that somehow makes you think this was uber impressive. It wasn't even all of them at the same time. Did you just list prime as someone impressive that he fought? He lost to prime.. and not in impressive fashion. I would hardly call that something to write home about.
Among the notable ones, there are: Breach (visit the respect thread), what appears to be classic captain atom, CAA captain atom (who most notably destroyed all of wildstorm)... whom monarch oneshotted, and of course the three supermen. Of which were Red sun superman (visit the respect thread), some other older superman, and Christopher Kent (who took on both supermen like they were children)... who monarch oneshotted like three times... he also died from exhaustion trying to blast monarch while he was just standing there. It was also stated that monarch had become more powerful than 52 supermen. So yeah, I think it would be something to write home about.
Also, he lost to Prime because the universe exploded.... 😬
Originally posted by Sirius77This is making me think Monarch will win...
Among the notable ones, there are: Breach (visit the respect thread), what appears to be classic captain atom, CAA captain atom (who most notably destroyed all of wildstorm)... whom monarch oneshotted, and of course the three supermen. Of which were Red sun superman (visit the respect thread), some other older superman, and Christopher Kent (who took on both supermen like they were children)... who monarch oneshotted like three times... he also died from exhaustion trying to blast monarch while he was just standing there. It was also stated that monarch had become more powerful than 52 supermen. So yeah, I think it would be something to write home about.Also, he lost to Prime because the universe exploded.... 😬
Originally posted by quanchi112
The fact he was still unkillable after she left him. Do you just conveniently forget this minor detail or the fact Thanos did everything under his own power and the fact she only intervened during the ritual one time.Thanos did everything under his own power if what you say is true then she wouldn't need to come out at all since death was always inside Thanos. You seem very desperate.
The amp greatly augmented his powers so I do think it makes a huge difference since he was a lot more powerful than usual and the writers made this very clear.
A green lantern ruptured his face plate and Prime only busted through dimensional barriers before and if nor for the events of infinite crisis those feats wouldn't be possible. Two mjolnirs have affected all of reality before so please lay off the hyperbole here.
So you agree the only time he faced someone above top tier he lost. Thanks for agreeing with me.
I'm not joking. Think about it. Was thanos ever in danger of dying after death left him? No. So how would you test your baseless assumption? Also, she was with him the entire time. That's the only way she could enter the cancerverse without being detected... through thanos. Funny. I don't feel very desperate 😬 So where is your prof that thanos did all of this under his own power? Death was with thanos the entire time. How do you kill beings in a world wiuthout death? You bring death to them. That was death's idea, and she used thanos to smuggle herself in to do so. Death was channeling her power through thanos. Why? Because he was her avatar at the time. When she was done, she left.
Lol, what other than the one thing that I stated did GA Prime do that normal Prime couldn't or hasn't?
Two green lanterns opened his faceplate. So let me get this straight, by your logic, if a three year old opens the hatch to a tank, that makes their power comparable, on par or greater than the tank itself? Because that's essentially what you're saying. The lantern's full on attack did nothing but open something that was meant to be opened. There was even a scene in arena in which monarch opens it himself.
Didn't you find it funny that before they couldn't affect it?
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/CountdownArena02p36glscannotaffectarmor.jpg
Then leave it to batman to use the latch lol:
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/CountdownArena02p37faceplateopens.jpg
Monarch opens it himself:
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/Arena4p30monarchopensfaceplate.jpg
Also, as far as Prime not being able to punch through dimensions? He punched through the phantom zone. Directly after he retconned reality, which he was weakened when he did by the way. Also, I'm not talking about affecting reality, I'm talking about punching through it like it was glass. No one's talking about hyperbole, it was all on panel and being described by the narrator and commented on by characters. Oh and why are you acting like mjolnir is weak?
It was a draw... to a universe busting explosion that he caused. 😬
Originally posted by Sirius77We saw Thanos the whole time do this under his own power. We also see it stated he cannot die after he was separated from death. Do you feel writers lie to us for what reason ? The onus is on you to prove your claims because we have seen Thanos eradicate an entire world, kill Drax, manhandle Mar-vell, etc. under his own power and then we saw death herself take out Marv. If what you say is true she wouldn't need to come forth since Thanos was using her power the entire time it wouldn't be needed.
I'm not joking. Think about it. Was thanos ever in danger of dying after death left him? No. So how would you test your baseless assumption? Also, she was with him the entire time. That's the only way she could enter the cancerverse without being detected... through thanos. Funny. I don't feel very desperate 😬 So where is your prof that thanos did all of this under his own power? Death was with thanos the entire time. How do you kill beings in a world wiuthout death? You bring death to them. That was death's idea, and she used thanos to smuggle herself in to do so. Death was channeling her power through thanos. Why? Because he was her avatar at the time. When she was done, she left.Lol, what other than the one thing that I stated did GA Prime do that normal Prime couldn't or hasn't?
Two green lanterns opened his faceplate. So let me get this straight, by your logic, if a three year old opens the hatch to a tank, that makes their power comparable, on par or greater than the tank itself? Because that's essentially what you're saying. The lantern's full on attack did nothing but open something that was meant to be opened. There was even a scene in arena in which monarch opens it himself.
Didn't you find it funny that before they couldn't affect it?
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/CountdownArena02p36glscannotaffectarmor.jpg
Then leave it to batman to use the latch lol:
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/CountdownArena02p37faceplateopens.jpg
Monarch opens it himself:
http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz22/truman801/Arena4p30monarchopensfaceplate.jpg
Also, as far as Prime not being able to punch through dimensions? He punched through the phantom zone. Directly after he retconned reality, which he was weakened when he did by the way. Also, I'm not talking about affecting reality, I'm talking about punching through it like it was glass. No one's talking about hyperbole, it was all on panel and being described by the narrator and commented on by characters. Oh and why are you acting like mjolnir is weak?
It was a draw... to a universe busting explosion that he caused. 😬
The comic made it clear he was stronger, more powerful, etc. If you feel the writer again deceived us through dialogue and Monarch's words were another ruse of his amp running out then I suggest avoiding reading material. I can't stomach paranoid comic readers who think writers put dialogue in the books to deceive the reader.
It was obvious Monarch was hurting Prime and that his amp was responsible for him staying in the fight as long as he had and in a last ditch effort he was still strong enough at normal levels to rip open his armor.
To a top tier who lacks the power he isn't in any danger but to someone with the power to breach his entire armor he loses. Not one character above top tier did he beat. The moment he faced someone more powerful than top tiers he went down.
Now if Thanos were a top tier you'd have made a helluva case but since he's well above them as well it's irrelevant and Thanos has the power to rip him wide open.
Thanos wins. easily.
Originally posted by quanchi112
We saw Thanos the whole time do this under his own power. We also see it stated he cannot die after he was separated from death. Do you feel writers lie to us for what reason ? The onus is on you to prove your claims because we have seen Thanos eradicate an entire world, kill Drax, manhandle Mar-vell, etc. under his own power and then we saw death herself take out Marv. If what you say is true she wouldn't need to come forth since Thanos was using her power the entire time it wouldn't be needed.
Thanos is unkillable. In the cancerverse. Until he proves unkillable outside of it without death on his shoulder, I don't see anything that proves that he is unkillable outside of it. Also, how is cosmo the russian dog equal to the writers? So I suppose superman really can chip away at anything if he keeps at it... oh wait, he's DC, he doesn't count. Can of worms opened. 🙂
So because thanos blows up a planet, and killed a high meta and choked a low trans, he's suddenly more powerful than monarch? Have you read arena?
Maybe she needed to manifest in order to kill Vell and injure the cancerverse beings. Either way, it wasn't thanos' power killing the cancerverse creatures, it was deaths presence lending him her power. You have yet to prove otherwise.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The comic made it clear he was stronger, more powerful, etc. If you feel the writer again deceived us through dialogue and Monarch's words were another ruse of his amp running out then I suggest avoiding reading material. I can't stomach paranoid comic readers who think writers put dialogue in the books to deceive the reader.
I said that going by feats, GA Prime only did one thing that Prime didnt do without the amp. The rest he was capable of. If you can prove me wrong then do. If not, then please refrain from complaining.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was obvious Monarch was hurting Prime and that his amp was responsible for him staying in the fight as long as he had and in a last ditch effort he was still strong enough at normal levels to rip open his armor.
Which is a high feat for both Monarch and Prime.
Originally posted by quanchi112
To a top tier who lacks the power he isn't in any danger but to someone with the power to breach his entire armor he loses. Not one character above top tier did he beat. The moment he faced someone more powerful than top tiers he went down.
So then an army of top tiers is less than someone above top tier? Also, he did face someone that was arguably trans and stomped him. Christopher Kent. He had few feats, but of the ones he showed, he was capable of treating both supermen like they were children on multiple occasions, and then amping himself with quantum radiation... he then poured every drop of his new found power into one last attack against monarch and literally blasted until he turned to ash. Monarch sat there the whole time. Then he walked away unscathed. This is how he defeated someone above top tier. By standing there and taking everything they had until they disintegrated from exhaustion. Was that what you were looking for?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Now if Thanos were a top tier you'd have made a helluva case but since he's well above them as well it's irrelevant and Thanos has the power to rip him wide open.Thanos wins. easily.
I never said thanos was a top tier. I said he was above top tier. I argue that he doesn't rip the armor open. Prime rips through dimensions whenever he needs to. He ripped through monarch's armor. That was the strength that it took.... the only thing that affected it.
So no. Thanos does not win. In fact, he gets stomped.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Among the notable ones, there are: Breach (visit the respect thread), what appears to be classic captain atom, CAA captain atom (who most notably destroyed all of wildstorm)... whom monarch oneshotted, and of course the three supermen. Of which were Red sun superman (visit the respect thread), some other older superman, and Christopher Kent (who took on both supermen like they were children)... who monarch oneshotted like three times... he also died from exhaustion trying to blast monarch while he was just standing there. It was also stated that monarch had become more powerful than 52 supermen. So yeah, I think it would be something to write home about.Also, he lost to Prime because the universe exploded.... 😬
Let me ask you this... Would Thanos beat Breach.. Check... any of the CA's..Check...any of the superman.. Check. See where this is going Sirius? Point is, Monarch never beat anybody that Thanos couldn't also beat. Further, the toughest person Monarch faced.. Prime.. the lost and the fight didn't even last that long. Now Thanos has taken on Odin (more powerful than Prime and Monarch) and didn't lose or get put down (and in Monarch's case killed) Sure he was losing the fight, but earned Odin's respect and praise and was ready to continue. He fought Tyrant, who again is even more above Prime and Monarch imo.. and didn't go down. Again earned the respect of somebody that one shot people and beat people that poops all over the list of people Monarch beat. Thanos actually beat his own doppleganger in a long drawn out fight. A Dopple that was more powerful than himself. Prime and Thanos and Monarch are roughly all in the same ballpark.. Thanos beat somebody stronger than him.. See where this is going Sirius... Thanos has beat or done better again stronger foes than Monarch did, and not only didn't lose but was ready to continue or won. Now, I'm not saying Thanos stomps Monarch, on the contrary, I think Thanos wins in a very good epic fight. The reason I'm arguing with you and others.. is because of this notion that Monarch stomps Thanos, and going by on panel feats, that isn't even close to true. In fact, on panel feats and evidence supports Thanos winning. Regardless, as is clearly laid out here.. there is no stomp in either direction.
