Originally posted by Blight👇
Wait... when did Odin become more powerful than a guy that punches retconns into existence??
So then I'm guessing you feel Hulk is more powerful than Odin as well since he's done that as well eh? Same with Deadpool and She-hulk who recton sh1t and have done so more than Prime. I'm going to love to see your answers.
You couldn't sense my answer via my retort back at you? I thought it would be crystal clear what my answer is to your 0mGzzzz R3al1ty Punch1ng for the Winzorz!!!! Punching through reality barriers is not something you can quantify first.. unless of course you tell me how much power it would take to do so. Go Galactus punch through the "real1ty barr1er!!".. if not who could as you seem to know the force to break a CONCEPT an unquantifiable one at that. Ooo wait you can quantify it eh? Furthermore, I thought the examples I gave would show the utter retardedness of your assertion that this was somehow impressive. Hulk HAS punched through reality as well. She-Hulk and Deadpool have recton reality more times than Prime ever did. Thus, since you feel Prime is above Odin because of his OMGZZZ R3al1ty Punching.. Then so must Hulk, She-Hulk and Deadpool right.. or wait.. are you going to go all hypocritical on me?
Originally posted by Sirius77Death already eliminated life's grip over it when they still referenced him as unkillable. He was brought back in an indestructible form there was no mention of him being unkilllable just in the cancerverse. Drax also was killed in the cancerverse. Mar-vell and no one else besides death and Thanos could make it so. Anyways when the problems were eliminated thanos was still unkillable. Did yoiu even read the arc ?
Thanos is unkillable. In the cancerverse. Until he proves unkillable outside of it without death on his shoulder, I don't see anything that proves that he is unkillable outside of it. Also, how is cosmo the russian dog equal to the writers? So I suppose superman really can chip away at anything if he keeps at it... oh wait, he's DC, he doesn't count. Can of worms opened. 🙂So because thanos blows up a planet, and killed a high meta and choked a low trans, he's suddenly more powerful than monarch? Have you read arena?
Maybe she needed to manifest in order to kill Vell and injure the cancerverse beings. Either way, it wasn't thanos' power killing the cancerverse creatures, it was deaths presence lending him her power. You have yet to prove otherwise.
I said that going by feats, GA Prime only did one thing that Prime didnt do without the amp. The rest he was capable of. If you can prove me wrong then do. If not, then please refrain from complaining.
Which is a high feat for both Monarch and Prime.
So then an army of top tiers is less than someone above top tier? Also, he did face someone that was arguably trans and stomped him. Christopher Kent. He had few feats, but of the ones he showed, he was capable of treating both supermen like they were children on multiple occasions, and then amping himself with quantum radiation... he then poured every drop of his new found power into one last attack against monarch and literally blasted until he turned to ash. Monarch sat there the whole time. Then he walked away unscathed. This is how he defeated someone above top tier. By standing there and taking everything they had until they disintegrated from exhaustion. Was that what you were looking for?
I never said thanos was a top tier. I said he was above top tier. I argue that he doesn't rip the armor open. Prime rips through dimensions whenever he needs to. He ripped through monarch's armor. That was the strength that it took.... the only thing that affected it.
So no. Thanos does not win. In fact, he gets stomped.
This has nothing to do with Superman and his powers are of that of an elite top tier Thanos is well beyond that. Someone like the surfer is a peer of Superman's while Thanos looks down at him like an insect.
Yes, I read arena and like I said although very impressive he never beat one character who was above top tier. Thanos manhandled Mar-vell who was above top tier. You can run from this and everything else Thanos did but in the end he proved once again where he's at physically and powerwise and when you throw in the unkillable part the guy is just plain unfair to debate against.
Feat don't determine power levels the portrayal does. Grey hulk isn't more powerful than ww hulk despite having better feats. You can't debate this way it's just lunacy to ignore portrayal. If Thor gets the power gem yet has a greater strength feat without it do you assume he's stronger without it ?
Or the obvious one writer chose to put him in a situation with an awesome feat which in no way takes away from an obviously more powerful thor who doesn't put him in another siutation for another strength feat. I'm quite intelligent.
Yes, I suppose so but the point is Monarch didn't show the firepower to put prime down until his chain reaction resulted in the destruction of the universe.
Yes, Monarch is quite above top tiers as is Thanos so while impressive against most it fails to impress someone of Thanos' caliber. Let's not get into the fact Thanos is much smarter and more savy than he is to boot.
Prime who is above top tier showed the power to do so so why not Thanos ? Thanos treats the Surfer like he doesn't exist either so I fail to see how any of these group top tier bashes are helping against a guy who takes on Maker, Odin, power gem Thor---all who have proven they can destroy teams of elite top tiers as well.
Also Prime didn't show the strength to break free from one guardian's grip. It all adds up.
Thanos, easily.
Originally posted by BlightWhen his power affected the multiverse, when he destroyed galaxies under his own power, when he stopped time, etc. he's always been more powerful than a guy who destroys dimensional barriers and while amped destroys planets. It's not even close.
Wait... when did Odin become more powerful than a guy that punches retconns into existence??
Fair enough Blight.
Still waiting Sirus..
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask you this... Would Thanos beat Breach.. Check... any of the CA's..Check...any of the superman.. Check. See where this is going Sirius? Point is, Monarch never beat anybody that Thanos couldn't also beat. Further, the toughest person Monarch faced.. Prime.. the lost and the fight didn't even last that long. Now Thanos has taken on Odin (more powerful than Prime and Monarch) and didn't lose or get put down (and in Monarch's case killed) Sure he was losing the fight, but earned Odin's respect and praise and was ready to continue. He fought Tyrant, who again is even more above Prime and Monarch imo.. and didn't go down. Again earned the respect of somebody that one shot people and beat people that poops all over the list of people Monarch beat. Thanos actually beat his own doppleganger in a long drawn out fight. A Dopple that was more powerful than himself. Prime and Thanos and Monarch are roughly all in the same ballpark.. Thanos beat somebody stronger than him.. See where this is going Sirius... Thanos has beat or done better again stronger foes than Monarch did, and not only didn't lose but was ready to continue or won. Now, I'm not saying Thanos stomps Monarch, on the contrary, I think Thanos wins in a very good epic fight. The reason I'm arguing with you and others.. is because of this notion that Monarch stomps Thanos, and going by on panel feats, that isn't even close to true. In fact, on panel feats and evidence supports Thanos winning. Regardless, as is clearly laid out here.. there is no stomp in either direction.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Death already eliminated life's grip over it when they still referenced him as unkillable. He was brought back in an indestructible form there was no mention of him being unkilllable just in the cancerverse. Drax also was killed in the cancerverse. Mar-vell and no one else besides death and Thanos could make it so. Anyways when the problems were eliminated thanos was still unkillable. Did yoiu even read the arc ?
Why don't you tell us who referenced him as unkillable. As I recall, it was cosmo the russian dog....
So that's you're example? Drax dying in the cancerverse? Okay. Who killed Drax? Thanos. Who was death's avatar and was literally carrying death into the cancerverse? Thanos. Do you see a connection? Death was using thanos as a cloak to enter the cancerverse undetected. Thanos was using her power. This is not to say that he couldn't have incinerated the people that he did without Death's help. This just means that without Death, there would just have been nothing to keep them dead.
That's the thing, how do you know that he's still unkillable if death left him in the end?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I read arena and like I said although very impressive he never beat one character who was above top tier. Thanos manhandled Mar-vell who was above top tier. You can run from this and everything else Thanos did but in the end he proved once again where he's at physically and powerwise and when you throw in the unkillable part the guy is just plain unfair to debate against.
I just listed someone above top tier and you ignored it. Who's running from what quan?
Also, what were Vell's physical feats quan? When was he even implied to be over class 100? As I recall, he just blasted people and left magical chuthulu bombs.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Feat don't determine power levels the portrayal does. Grey hulk isn't more powerful than ww hulk despite having better feats. You can't debate this way it's just lunacy to ignore portrayal. If Thor gets the power gem yet has a greater strength feat without it do you assume he's stronger without it ?
I never said he wasn't portrayed as not having an amp. I said that the feats that he performed, excluding one, were not above his average levels.
Concerning the thor issue, seeing as that was not my argument (or an argument at all for that matter) to begin with and was what I believed to be a passing statement which you have misconstrued , let me say that I take into account implied and shown power. While the two are both taken into account, however, if thor with the power gem does not have feats above his regular ones (which he does) and if in fact the power gem does not have any other showings other than this instance (which it does), then the only logical assumption would be to use the character's previous feats, even though the implied power says otherwise. The reason for this is because implied power/ hyperbole is unquantifiable, while feats are able to be measured. In other words, in an example, even though we know that the items of power of Neil Gaiman's Endless are implied to be powerful and special in some way, we cannot attribute extra power to Desire with its ring as opposed to without it. Not because the item is not implied to be powerful, but because that power, because it remains un-shown, is unquantifiable and unusable in a forum battle. The goes for Prime's GA imo. He showed one PIS-filled feat (torturing a 5th dimensional imp) in which he would be unable to perform without the amp, the rest he could perfor without it. You cannot argue GA Prime without using Prime without the amp. This is because the only feat that is divergent from his normal power set is one in which PIS is obvious. It is understood that Prime had an amp, but quantifiably, it was not shown. I hope we understand one another.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, I suppose so but the point is Monarch didn't show the firepower to put prime down until his chain reaction resulted in the destruction of the universe.
Prime also did not show the firepower to put down monarch. Which, again, is not a low feat for either. What do you do when the 'immovable object' meets the 'irresistible force'? End the meeting. The universe got destroyed. I'm glad we agree.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Monarch is quite above top tiers as is Thanos so while impressive against most it fails to impress someone of Thanos' caliber. Let's not get into the fact Thanos is much smarter and more savy than he is to boot.
They are both far above top tier. The rest is your opinion.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prime who is above top tier showed the power to do so so why not Thanos ? Thanos treats the Surfer like he doesn't exist either so I fail to see how any of these group top tier bashes are helping against a guy who takes on Maker, Odin, power gem Thor---all who have proven they can destroy teams of elite top tiers as well.
Because Prime's strength is implied, as well as demonstrated to a level that eclipses thanos' own. I don't see what your point is with surfer. Both Prime and monarch smack around heralds.
He got his ass kicked by all of the above, but did well against the last one. You're leaving out a storyline in all of these.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Also Prime didn't show the strength to break free from one guardian's grip. It all adds up.
It's kind of difficult to focus on breaking free when you're being removed from the multiverse atom by atom. 😬
Also, the other guardians were blocking him while that was happening, it was a pretty bad situation in which to break free.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos, easily.
Monarch still stomps.
Originally posted by Sirius77Uhm, him along with other characters stated as much as he came back from atoms. Thanos even states he was unkillable to mistress death. The writer makes it clear with pictures and the dialogue.
Why don't you tell us who referenced him as unkillable. As I recall, it was cosmo the russian dog....So that's you're example? Drax dying in the cancerverse? Okay. Who killed Drax? Thanos. Who was death's avatar and was literally carrying death into the cancerverse? Thanos. Do you see a connection? Death was using thanos as a cloak to enter the cancerverse undetected. Thanos was using her power. This is not to say that he couldn't have incinerated the people that he did without Death's help. This just means that without Death, there would just have been nothing to keep them dead.
That's the thing, how do you know that he's still unkillable if death left him in the end?
I just listed someone above top tier and you ignored it. Who's running from what quan?
Also, what were Vell's physical feats quan? When was he even implied to be over class 100? As I recall, he just blasted people and left magical chuthulu bombs.
I never said he wasn't portrayed as not having an amp. I said that the feats that he performed, excluding one, were not above his average levels.
Concerning the thor issue, seeing as that was not my argument (or an argument at all for that matter) to begin with and was what I believed to be a passing statement which you have misconstrued , let me say that I take into account implied and shown power. While the two are both taken into account, however, if thor with the power gem does not have feats above his regular ones (which he does) and if in fact the power gem does not have any other showings other than this instance (which it does), then the only logical assumption would be to use the character's previous feats, even though the implied power says otherwise. The reason for this is because implied power/ hyperbole is unquantifiable, while feats are able to be measured. In other words, in an example, even though we know that the items of power of Neil Gaiman's Endless are implied to be powerful and special in some way, we cannot attribute extra power to Desire with its ring as opposed to without it. Not because the item is not implied to be powerful, but because that power, because it remains un-shown, is unquantifiable and unusable in a forum battle. The goes for Prime's GA imo. He showed one PIS-filled feat (torturing a 5th dimensional imp) in which he would be unable to perform without the amp, the rest he could perfor without it. You cannot argue GA Prime without using Prime without the amp. This is because the only feat that is divergent from his normal power set is one in which PIS is obvious. It is understood that Prime had an amp, but quantifiably, it was not shown. I hope we understand one another.
Prime also did not show the firepower to put down monarch. Which, again, is not a low feat for either. What do you do when the 'immovable object' meets the 'irresistible force'? End the meeting. The universe got destroyed. I'm glad we agree.
They are both far above top tier. The rest is [B]your
opinion.Because Prime's strength is implied, as well as demonstrated to a level that eclipses thanos' own. I don't see what your point is with surfer. Both Prime and monarch smack around heralds.
He got his ass kicked by all of the above, but did well against the last one. You're leaving out a storyline in all of these.
It's kind of difficult to focus on breaking free when you're being removed from the multiverse atom by atom. 😬
Also, the other guardians were blocking him while that was happening, it was a pretty bad situation in which to break free.
Monarch still stomps. [/B]
Thanos was using his power she gave him. He still had the power if what you say is true he didn't need death to kill Marv Thanos could have done it. What you say isn't on panel it's you ignoring the entire series to try and give Monarch some kind of edge he doesn't have.
Those characters weren't above top tiers they were all top tiers. Mar-vell was. Mar-vell was shown to be easily dominated by Thanos. No one else was shown the power or the physicality to do so.
Mar-vell had his powers at his disposal he just wasn't strong or powerful enough to do anything when Thanos overpowered him. Thanos was clearly his superior.
I already destroyed your feats argument. he was portrayed as more powerful and destroyed a planet on panel iirc. When has he done so prior to ?
Not that it matters just curious.
Power gem Thor's feats aren't above his celestial bustin or Galactus fearing for his life feats but his power is much more powerful so the hell with feats we know he's capable of it and then some.
Prime's more powerful than he is normally despite the feats so we do understand each other.
Prime showed the power to rip open his armor. Prime won the fight. Monarch didn't use the power necessary to defeat Prime. I guess the immovable object lost.
I know they are both above top tier. The point is he lost. Thanos has taken on above top tiers and not lost in a much longer drawn out fight. Are you really comparing Monarch's intelligence to Thanos' ?
Thanos has shown the strength to be above prime imo. But that's neither here nor there his power is clearly well above top tier. Thanos unlike Prime was never gripped and unable to break free from one lone guardian. That's strength.
Monarch clearly loses. He lost to one above top tier and this guy Thanos is far smarter than Prime, has other abilities, and can teleport.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Let me ask you this... Would Thanos beat Breach.. Check... any of the CA's..Check...any of the superman.. Check. See where this is going Sirius? Point is, Monarch never beat anybody that Thanos couldn't also beat. Further, the toughest person Monarch faced.. Prime.. the lost and the fight didn't even last that long. Now Thanos has taken on Odin (more powerful than Prime and Monarch) and didn't lose or get put down (and in Monarch's case killed) Sure he was losing the fight, but earned Odin's respect and praise and was ready to continue.He fought Tyrant, who again is even more above Prime and Monarch imo.. and didn't go down. Again earned the respect of somebody that one shot people and beat people that poops all over the list of people Monarch beat. Thanos actually beat his own doppleganger in a long drawn out fight.
A Dopple that was more powerful than himself. Prime and Thanos and Monarch are roughly all in the same ballpark.. Thanos beat somebody stronger than him.. See where this is going Sirius... Thanos has beat or done better again stronger foes than Monarch did, and not only didn't lose but was ready to continue or won. Now, I'm not saying Thanos stomps Monarch, on the contrary, I think Thanos wins in a very good epic fight. The reason I'm arguing with you and others.. is because of this notion that Monarch stomps Thanos, and going by on panel feats, that isn't even close to true. In fact, on panel feats and evidence supports Thanos winning. Regardless, as is clearly laid out here.. there is no stomp in either direction.
Yes I do see where this is going. You're essentially splitting monarch's battle up into individual matches and comparing them to thanos. That's not how it happened. Monarch took them all on at once effortlessly. The battle with Prime was never fully resolved because of the universe issue. Up until that point, monarch was just blasting Prime away and taking little to no damage. Monarch and Prime fought for a while and no one lost but the universe. It was a draw....they were both KOed. Also, if you didn't already get it because of the previous statement, monarch survived.
Thanos took on Odin, but he got his ass kicked. Given his opponent, it wasn't a low feat, but he did get put down and he did lose. Thanos was stumbling around on his last limb and Odin was sitting there looking at him. I think it was more of one of those "Wow, he's really determined... I could kill him if I wanted, but I'd probably look like a dick." moments more than he couldn't put him down. Let's make no mistake, Odin won.
While I do understand where you're coming from, I disagree due to the fact that in some of these battles thanos was either amped (by some sphere or something in the tyrant fight iirc, I'm no thanos authority though) or flat out didn't stand a chance of winning. I'm not saying that thanos isnt powerful, I'm just saying that the ease in which monarch did what he did both implied and showed that he was without a doubt superior to all the combatants in arena individually or combined. He literally never once exerted himself in the entire mini... and everyone was trying to actively kill him. Those with many feats, those with few feats, and those with no feats that I know of. He defeated them all effortlessly as if none of that mattered. Then there's his power output stacked onto all of that. Personally, it was not monarch's feats in and of themselves that make me think that he wins this, it's the remarkable ease in which he did them.
Originally posted by Sirius77Monarch was defeated and Prime was nowhere to be seen after. Prime defeated him with his strength.
Yes I do see where this is going. You're essentially splitting monarch's battle up into individual matches and comparing them to thanos. That's not how it happened. Monarch took them all on at once effortlessly. The battle with Prime was never fully resolved because of the universe issue. Up until that point, monarch was just blasting Prime away and taking little to no damage. Monarch and Prime fought for a while and no one lost but the universe. It was a draw....they were both KOed. Also, if you didn't already get it because of the previous statement, monarch survived.Thanos took on Odin, but he got his ass kicked. Given his opponent, it wasn't a low feat, but he did get put down and he did lose. Thanos was stumbling around on his last limb and Odin was sitting there looking at him. I think it was more of one of those "Wow, he's really determined... I could kill him if I wanted, but I'd probably look like a dick." moments more than he couldn't put him down. Let's make no mistake, Odin won.
While I do understand where you're coming from, I disagree due to the fact that in some of these battles thanos was either amped (by some sphere or something in the tyrant fight iirc, I'm no thanos authority though) or flat out didn't stand a chance of winning. I'm not saying that thanos isnt powerful, I'm just saying that the ease in which monarch did what he did both implied and showed that he was without a doubt superior to all the combatants in arena individually or combined. He literally never once exerted himself in the entire mini... and everyone was trying to actively kill him. Those with many feats, those with few feats, and those with no feats that I know of. He defeated them all effortlessly as if none of that mattered. Then there's his power output stacked onto all of that. Personally, it was not monarch's feats in and of themselves that make me think that he wins this, it's the remarkable ease in which he did them.
Odin didn't win, a marvel bio and the comic itself clearly show it end in a standstill.
Odin also admitted earlier on he was trying to kill him yet was unable. he didn't win he just just winning which is irrelevant to current Thanos.
Thanos wasn't really amped by the orb he was using it as a weapon and viewed it as a trophy to take from him.
Those foes he defeated were far less than Thanos. Prime showed he had the power and strength to defeat Monarch as does Thanos.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm, him along with other characters stated as much as he came back from atoms. Thanos even states he was unkillable to mistress death. The writer makes it clear with pictures and the dialogue.
Pictures and dialogue. Okay. It's settled. 😬
So thanos stated this himself and this makes it true? That's not how it works. If death said it, I would believe it, but she didn't.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was using his power she gave him. He still had the power if what you say is true he didn't need death to kill Marv Thanos could have done it. What you say isn't on panel it's you ignoring the entire series to try and give Monarch some kind of edge he doesn't have.
You're misunderstanding. You can't prove either way whether or not thanos still has the power definitively. There is just more evidence for one side of the argument (death left thanos, so thanos doesn't have death's powers... seemed simple enough) than the other.
It's not that I'm ignoring evidence quan, it's that you are not putting fourth any.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Those characters weren't above top tiers they were all top tiers. Mar-vell was. Mar-vell was shown to be easily dominated by Thanos. No one else was shown the power or the physicality to do so.
So a character that shows the ability to manhandle two base level supermen is not above top tier? Right. Christopher Kent was obviously above top tier.
No one showed the ability to physically dominate Vell, because no one tried. They all blasted each other and Vell showed himself to be superior at that.Perhaps Thanos wasn't the only one that could engage in a physical battle with him, he was the only one that did.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Mar-vell had his powers at his disposal he just wasn't strong or powerful enough to do anything when Thanos overpowered him. Thanos was clearly his superior.
Or maybe his power is primarily energy based? We'll never know, because the only one that he physically fought was thanos. We have no one else to compare him to physically. The argument can easily be made that he was as strong as Mar-Vell (the captain), but even so, that's not anything that thanos or even a herald couldn't do.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I already destroyed your feats argument. he was portrayed as more powerful and destroyed a planet on panel iirc. When has he done so prior to ?Not that it matters just curious.
Did you now?
I'll give you one better. He pushed several planets around the universe at ftl to rearrange the center of the universe.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Power gem Thor's feats aren't above his celestial bustin or Galactus fearing for his life feats but his power is much more powerful so the hell with feats we know he's capable of it and then some.
The fantastic four have literally done all of that. I think you're missing the point though. The power gem has other feats to reference.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prime's more powerful than he is normally despite the feats so we do understand each other.
Prime hasn't done anything with the amp that he hasn't done without it except for one thing. I'm glad we understand each other.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prime showed the power to rip open his armor. Prime won the fight. Monarch didn't use the power necessary to defeat Prime. I guess the immovable object lost.
No, both lost. Prime was KOed and so was monarch. How am I defeated if someone rips my jacket and it somehow KO's us both? See my point?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Are you really comparing Monarch's intelligence to Thanos' ?
I was more so referring to your comment concerning the impressiveness of monarch's abilities. As far as intelligence goes, they have different types of intelligence, in different situations, and have starkly different enemies to use it against.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has shown the strength to be above prime imo. But that's neither here nor there his power is clearly well above top tier. Thanos unlike Prime was never gripped and unable to break free from one lone guardian. That's strength.
Like what? List some strength feats above Prime's. Implied or otherwise.
So you're listing what you consider to be a low feat and ignoring all his other feats like pushing planets.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Monarch clearly loses. He lost to one above top tier and this guy Thanos is far smarter than Prime, has other abilities, and can teleport.
Losing to Prime is not a low feat, but none of that matters since he didn't lose to Prime.
Smarter than Prime, more powers than Prime, and can teleport. If it was that easy to beat Prime, then monarch would have, considering that he has all of the attributes that you just listed. Thanos would fare no better. Monarch still wins pretty easily.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Monarch was defeated and Prime was nowhere to be seen after. Prime defeated him with his strength.Odin didn't win, a marvel bio and the comic itself clearly show it end in a standstill.
Odin also admitted earlier on he was trying to kill him yet was unable. he didn't win he just just winning which is irrelevant to current Thanos.
Thanos wasn't really amped by the orb he was using it as a weapon and viewed it as a trophy to take from him.
Those foes he defeated were far less than Thanos. Prime showed he had the power and strength to defeat Monarch as does Thanos.
They were both KOed. Neither was defeated. Captain atom just popped up somewhere else, I don't recall if he was even unconscious when he he reappeared.
TEH BIOZ iz teh truTh!! If the comic doesn't coincide with what the bio says then it's void. Thanos could barely stand and Odin was looking at him like he felt bad. Also lol at Odin not being able to kill thanos.... don't be ridiculous.
Yeah okay.
Originally posted by Sirius77His monarch form was defeated. I still say Prime was knocked back into the timestream by these actions. I mean the Monitor easily survived.
They were both KOed. Neither was defeated. Captain atom just popped up somewhere else, I don't recall if he was even unconscious when he he reappeared.TEH BIOZ iz teh truTh!! If the comic doesn't coincide with what the bio says then it's void. Thanos could barely stand and Odin was looking at him like he felt bad. Also lol at Odin not being able to kill thanos.... don't be ridiculous.
Yeah okay.
The comic supports the bio with both characters standing in opposition to each other.
Odin tried and failed without the use of his shields.
Glad you conceded the argument.
Originally posted by Sirius77Death didn't speak in the entire arc. Do you honestly think the writer has multiple characters state he's unkillable and show him reform by the atoms for it not to be true ? Seriously, lol.
Pictures and dialogue. Okay. It's settled. 😬So thanos stated this himself and this makes it true? That's not how it works. If death said it, I would believe it, but she didn't.
You're misunderstanding. You can't prove either way whether or not thanos still has the power definitively. There is just more evidence for one side of the argument (death left thanos, so thanos doesn't have death's powers... seemed simple enough) than the other.
It's not that I'm ignoring evidence quan, it's that you are not putting fourth any.
So a character that shows the ability to manhandle two base level supermen is not above top tier? Right. Christopher Kent was obviously above top tier.
No one showed the ability to physically dominate Vell, because no one tried. They all blasted each other and Vell showed himself to be superior at that.Perhaps Thanos wasn't the only one that could engage in a physical battle with him, he was the only one that did.
Or maybe his power is primarily energy based? We'll never know, because the only one that he physically fought was thanos. We have no one else to compare him to physically. The argument can easily be made that he was as strong as Mar-Vell (the captain), but even so, that's not anything that thanos or even a herald couldn't do.
Did you now?
I'll give you one better. He pushed several planets around the universe at ftl to rearrange the center of the universe.
The fantastic four have literally done all of that. I think you're missing the point though. The power gem has other feats to reference.
Prime hasn't done anything with the amp that he hasn't done without it except for one thing. I'm glad we understand each other.
No, both lost. Prime was KOed and so was monarch. How am I defeated if someone rips my jacket and it somehow KO's us both? See my point?
I was more so referring to your comment concerning the impressiveness of monarch's abilities. As far as intelligence goes, they have different types of intelligence, in different situations, and have starkly different enemies to use it against.
Like what? List some strength feats above Prime's. Implied or otherwise.
So you're listing what you consider to be a low feat and ignoring all his other feats like pushing planets.Losing to Prime is not a low feat, but none of that matters since he didn't lose to Prime.
Smarter than Prime, more powers than Prime, and can teleport. If it was that easy to beat Prime, then monarch would have, considering that he has all of the attributes that you just listed. Thanos would fare no better. Monarch still wins pretty easily.
There is no evidence at all it was her acting through Thanos. None. You made the claim and we see the entire time Thanos acting under his own power until she comes free from him. It makes no sense for her to even come free if she was using her power through Thanos. She gave him power for this purpose. It wasn't her. You need to back up this claim. Nothing and I mean nothing supports it. When characters state things in comics you ignore that because you want your guy to win. Nope. Sorry.
Where's your proof he's above top tier ? You say he is. Now prove it. I can prove Mar-vell is well above top tier but you can't do the same.
Thanos has shown the power to dominate Surfer before as well. The guy is a physical powerhouse. He has always been written that way. Mar-vell was still free to use his power but was unable to. Thanos would manhandle Prime as well a lot easier than one guardian did so.
Pushing something is not greater than destroying it. I guess if I pick up a rock that's more impressive than destroying it with my own hands. tell me which one is harder to do ? LOL. You crack me up.
The ff have never ran galactus off under their own power and there were special circumstances tied in from sue's powers which allowed that it wasn't because she was powerful enough on her own. Context, much. My logic is sound yours isn't. Feat debaters lack a real argument and ignore character portrayal which is more important than feats.
Prime was portrayed as more powerful and showed himself to be more powerful. Under his normal power I don't see him tanking Monarch's blasts. I am right yet again.
You can't prove Prime was ko'd. Prime defeated Monarch and then was warped into the timestream. Prime retained himsel fwhereas Monarch did not. Pretty simple.
Thanos is more intelligent bottom line. Monarch's grand plan was raising an army against the Monitors which failed just because Prime showed up. Not a very impressive plan. Thanos has the smarts and the means to breach his armor. Game over.
Manhandling an above character Mar-vell like nothing. Pushing a planet is cool and all but I mean even Gladiator can destroy one which is more impressive than moving one. Prime is stronger than Gladiator but that's besides the point. feats don't determine this stuff it's how these characters match up and one guardian clearly overpowered Prime.
Never said it was. I said he did lose and Thanos is well above top tier just like Prime. No evidence to suggest Monarch can beat anyone on Thanos' level. Monarch can beat top tiers into the ground but lucky for Thanos he's a lot more powerful than a top tier.
Monarch underestimated Prime and foolishly thought him dead. Thanos isn't stupid nor does he make mistakes such as these. Thanos wins this when he wants to.