Big Boss vs Solidus Snake

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Where was it stated that Liquid's natural hair is not blonde and that it turned white because of the aging? Blonde hair is a reccessive trait, my friend. Which is why Liquid Snake has the hair like that.

Flawed? Raiden was trained by Solidus himself when he was a child. And what do we see Solidus wield in Sons of Liberty? Dual Katanas go figure. Also why exactly would Solidus hand Raiden the HF blade if he didn't know Jack would have been able to defend himself with it?

ahh, but ur forgetting, liquid actually has the DOMINANT genes of big boss while solid has the recessive. so there goes ur entire theory. solid snake in both metal gear one and metal gear two has brown hair, or are you telling me he dyed his hair brown then too??????? heck he didnt even know of liquid snake at that time. and he still didnt know about le enfante terrible or liquid when he went in to shadow mosses. he asked liquid "why the hell do you keep calling me your brother? who are you?! "

as for the high frequency blade, errrr, MAYBE because it was raiden's to BEGIN with, and GW had been monitoring raiden's progress through arsenal gear and the whole plant chapter all the way when he used the blade against the tengus???? again, negetive evidence is not evidence FOR sumthing. the burden of proof is one you.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
In one of the beginning cutscenes in MGS1, Solid originally had long blond hair as well.

it was a black and white STYLISED vhs tape. if you pay attention NO colours are shown other than shades of gray with high contrast
hence snake's hair look white, a bit like the screens of the codec im mgs1. also, snake's moustache and eyebrows and beard as shown in subsequent metal gear games are all brown, unless ofcourse, ur suggesting that he constantly dyes them too...........

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ahh, but ur forgetting, liquid actually has the DOMINANT genes of big boss while solid has the recessive. so there goes ur entire theory. solid snake in both metal gear one and metal gear two has brown hair, or are you telling me he dyed his hair brown then too??????? heck he didnt even know of liquid snake at that time. and he still didnt know about le enfante terrible or liquid when he went in to shadow mosses. he asked liquid "why the hell do you keep calling me your brother? who are you?! "

as for the high frequency blade, errrr, MAYBE because it was raiden's to BEGIN with, and GW had been monitoring raiden's progress through arsenal gear and the whole plant chapter all the way when he used the blade against the tengus???? again, negetive evidence is not evidence FOR sumthing. the burden of proof is one you.

Just because someone looks like you does not make him his brother. I suppose that is why Solid Snake was wondering about Liquid's statements.

WTF? Dude go play the game again. Liquid Snake states himself several times he had all recessive genes while Solid Snake had all the dominant genes. That is why he believed Solid Snake was the superior clone, but as it turns out he was wrong and it did not make him the inferior clone.

THe burden of proof is on me? There is nothing to proof. Solidus ass rapes Big Boss and then spits on his working eye.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Just because someone looks like you does not make him his brother. I suppose that is why Solid Snake was wondering about Liquid's statements.

WTF? Dude go play the game again. Liquid Snake states himself several times he had all recessive genes while Solid Snake had all the dominant genes. That is why he believed Solid Snake was the superior clone, but as it turns out he was wrong and it did not make him the inferior clone.

THe burden of proof is on me? There is nothing to proof. Solidus ass rapes Big Boss and then spits on his working eye.

Right. Liquid lost due to his inferiority complex. He was so obsessed about his false inferiority that it really got to him and cost him the fight. His blind hatred for Snake because Big Boss respected Snake more so than Liquid really got to his head.

Leo, you know that Solid has all the recessive genes of Big Boss, right? This alone is proof that genes aren't the end all be all of who you are and how you'll turn out to be. Since Solid beat Liquid. Even Naomi Hunter mentions this.

Why can't you accept this with Raiden? He is gifted as well because of the reasons I mentioned before. Big Boss isn't the epitome of human perfection out of billions of people. There are others who can match him.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
it was a black and white STYLISED vhs tape. if you pay attention NO colours are shown other than shades of gray with high contrast
hence snake's hair look white, a bit like the screens of the codec im mgs1. also, snake's moustache and eyebrows and beard as shown in subsequent metal gear games are all brown, unless ofcourse, ur suggesting that he constantly dyes them too...........

Greyfox had different looks in both MG1 and MG2. I'm not referring to the MGS series. So the whole hair color situation should be taken with a grain of salt. Since both Solid and Liquid are IDENTICAL twins, not FRATERNAL then it's safe to say they both have blond hair unless you can argue that Liquid dyed his hair blond.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Just because someone looks like you does not make him his brother. I suppose that is why Solid Snake was wondering about Liquid's statements.

WTF? Dude go play the game again. Liquid Snake states himself several times he had all recessive genes while Solid Snake had all the dominant genes. That is why he believed Solid Snake was the superior clone, but as it turns out he was wrong and it did not make him the inferior clone.

THe burden of proof is on me? There is nothing to proof. Solidus ass rapes Big Boss and then spits on his working eye.

lol, have YOU played the mgs games?! it was liquid all ALONG who had the dominant genes, but was lied to about his origins and caught in the inferiority complex, lost to snake.

every one of your arguments have been debunked, which is the reason, that you stopped referring to them one by one, the recessive gene=blonde is the last in the series. since liquid never had the recessive genes, hence he isnt blonde, its premature aging. solidus loses.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Leo, you know that Solid has all the recessive genes of Big Boss, right? This alone is proof that genes aren't the end all be all of who you are and how you'll turn out to be. Since Solid beat Liquid. Even Naomi Hunter mentions this.

Why can't you accept this with Raiden? He is gifted as well because of the reasons I mentioned before. Big Boss isn't the epitome of human perfection out of billions of people. There are others who can match him.

big boss IS the epitome of human perfection before the twin snakes came along. that is WHY he was called big boss, the greatest soldier that ever lived. look at what he acheived and who he defeated. im not saying that genes are the be all and end all. but im not accepting that raiden is on the level of big boss due to common sense, the thing both have acheived and the amoung of battle expirience the two have. the main reason he was chosen was because he simluated the father son relationship between snake and big boss, and was the ONLY soldier who truly did this{while being capable in his own right} with solidus snake.

and solid and liquid may be identical twins, but there are some inconcistancies there. identical twins have the same alleales, and yet solid has the recessive while liquid has the dominant. maybe im missing sumthing from my genetics lessons or we just have to admit that its one of the VIDEO GAME'S quirks. and again, even leaving out metal gear one and 2 {in which he has brown hair} are you saying that snake in mgs 2 dyed his hair, his eyebws AND his beard in both chapters?????? again thats silly, and the tapes prove nuthing, they are lik negetive photographs, only showing strong constrats of black and white, like the codec in mgs1. it doesnt show blonde hair. only long hair which he cuts short.

and as for snake's rank. in foxhound, he was second to frank yeager{who he learned a lot from along with master miller and big boss} who was the only member to ever receive the codename FOX. ofcourse this was before mgs and in mgs foxhound was disbanded and snake had already left the unit a while ago.

Solidus ass rapes Big Boss and then spits on his working eye.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
[B] but im not accepting that raiden is on the level of big boss due to common sense, the thing both have acheived and the amoung of battle expirience the two have.

So defeating a perfect clone wearing an exosuit that further enhances his already metahuman traits doesn't put him at least on the level of Big Boss? I disagree here.

^not a perfect clone, he had the most premature aging. also, gene wise, liquid is the most perfect clone. stats wise, solid is. his stats arent exactly above those of gene which big boss also defeated.

and simply, no , it doesnt.

Originally posted by Pyron_Knight
[B]*clears throat*
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/guns%2Bpatriots%2Bending/video/x65x3f_mgs4-guns-of-the-patriots-snake-end_videogames

Skip to around 3:20.
Big Boss says plain as effin' day that Solidus was THE "perfect clone.".

So, Leon, you're wrong.

If you continue to deny facts, I'll report you for spamming and trolling.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
lol, have YOU played the mgs games?! it was liquid all ALONG who had the dominant genes, but was lied to about his origins and caught in the inferiority complex, lost to snake.

every one of your arguments have been debunked, which is the reason, that you stopped referring to them one by one, the recessive gene=blonde is the last in the series. since liquid never had the recessive genes, hence he isnt blonde, its premature aging. solidus loses.

It has never been confirmed that he was in fact lied to about the R genes.. Stop assuming I haven't played the game.

This is all Ocelot said about Liquid's confusion "Until the very end Liquid thought he was the inferior one. Yes I know it takes a well balanced individual such as yourself to rule the world." No where in that statement nor in any other MGS game has it ever been stated they lied to him about having the recessive genes. Stop making up stuff to try and defend your bias.

Solidus does not lose. Big Boss loses plain and square.

^if you continu to be a jackass and intentionally try to act stupid, youll be ridiculed. READ whats been written. solidus was only the perfect clone in terms of COPYING the genes. he was NOT a collection of the PERFECT genes, he was NOT the one with the most perfect CLONING method and he certainly is NOT the PERFECT fighter. a perfect copy of a garbage can is still another garbage can, its PERFECT in its crappiness. stop being an idiot.

Stop insulting people.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
It has never been confirmed that he was in fact lied to about the R genes.. Stop assuming I haven't played the game.

This is all Ocelot said about Liquid's confusion "Until the very end Liquid thought he was the inferior one. Yes I know it takes a well balanced individual such as yourself to rule the world." No where in that statement nor in any other MGS game has it ever been stated they lied to him about having the recessive genes. Stop making up stuff to try and defend your bias.

Solidus does not lose. Big Boss loses plain and square.

yes it has. its common knowledge that the ones who STARTED the genome project, {i.e. big boss and fox along with ocelot, as a way to keep fighting big boss's fight after his old age and death, against zero} know the way went abou doing it. liquid was lied to about his inferior genes, he was infact the one with the superior genes. when u have no argument left, you try and throw a well known fact into confusion saying its never been CONFIRMED. OFCOURSE IT HAS, it was stated plain and simple and it was never contestedm case closed.

solidus loses like a little girl. solid took his eye and jack killed him. inspite of the exoskeleton. what about that is so hard to understand. big boss would defeat him too. he defeated volgin and gene. no prob.

oh stop it, pyron started out concieted and high and mighty without looking at the argument and the proceed to say that he wud report me for trolling and spamming. none of which is true. he insulted me first, i was just returning the favour.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes it has. its common knowledge that the ones who STARTED the genome project, {i.e. big boss and fox along with ocelot, as a way to keep fighting big boss's fight after his old age and death, against zero} know the way went abou doing it. liquid was lied to about his inferior genes, he was infact the one with the superior genes. when u have no argument left, you try and throw a well known fact into confusion saying its never been CONFIRMED. OFCOURSE IT HAS, it was stated plain and simple and it was never contestedm case closed.

What? it has not been confirmed that they lied to him about the recessive genes. Show me the evidence AKA FACTS such as direct quotes from the game that explain in detail how Big Boss, Fox and Ocelot and even Zero while you are at it lied to him on purpose. As far as I can tell this has never been stated. Proof is needed when you make such a bold claim.

^erm, what does ocelot's statement mean to you other than LIQUID WAS LIED TO?! FACT is he WAS the superior one. the statement is PROOF. and look into wiki or any mgs site and ull find the same thing. liquid was the superior clone.

I never debated against Liquid being the superior clone. I was arguing about you stating Liquid didn't have the recessive genes.

Things could have gone 1of 2 ways if you ask me:

1. They told him he had the recessive genes and because of that he started to believe he was inferior.
2. They told him he had the recessive genes and said that because of the R genes he was inferior to Solid Snake.

Thing is IMO they lied to him about being inferior, and not about having the recessive genes. One thing does not rule out the other.