Big Boss vs Solidus Snake

Originally posted by leonheartmm
he was NOT a collection of the PERFECT genes, he was NOT the one with the most perfect CLONING method and he certainly is NOT the PERFECT fighter. a perfect copy of a garbage can is still another garbage can, its PERFECT in its crappiness.

What you said doesn't make any sense. Since Solidus is the perfect clone of Big Boss then common sense dictates that he has all the genetic flaws and gifts of the Big Boss. Which means he also has a collection of perfect genes as well included. Hence, being the PERFECT CLONE.

If you're arguing that he's not as *skilled* as Big Boss then I can understand and we can debate this. Other than that, your logic is quite a bit twisted.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^if you continu to be a jackass and intentionally try to act stupid, youll be ridiculed. READ whats been written. solidus was only the perfect clone in terms of COPYING the genes. he was NOT a collection of the PERFECT genes, he was NOT the one with the most perfect CLONING method and he certainly is NOT the PERFECT fighter. a perfect copy of a garbage can is still another garbage can, its PERFECT in its crappiness. stop being an idiot.

Reported for trolling and flaming.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^if you continu to be a jackass and intentionally try to act stupid, youll be ridiculed. READ whats been written. solidus was only the perfect clone in terms of COPYING the genes. he was NOT a collection of the PERFECT genes, he was NOT the one with the most perfect CLONING method and he certainly is NOT the PERFECT fighter. a perfect copy of a garbage can is still another garbage can, its PERFECT in its crappiness. stop being an idiot.

Do not call names and insult people.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
oh stop it, pyron started out concieted and high and mighty without looking at the argument and the proceed to say that he wud report me for trolling and spamming. none of which is true. he insulted me first, i was just returning the favour.

Don't care about your excuses. "Returning the favor" is not acceptable behaviour. Nor do I see any insults from him, anyway.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I never debated against Liquid being the superior clone. I was arguing about you stating Liquid didn't have the recessive genes.

Things could have gone 1of 2 ways if you ask me:

1. They told him he had the recessive genes and because of that he started to believe he was inferior.
2. They told him he had the recessive genes and said that because of the R genes he was inferior to Solid Snake.

Thing is IMO they lied to him about being inferior, and not about having the recessive genes. One thing does not rule out the other.

erm, you did. you said being blonde is a RECESSIVE trait. you said that his natural hair colour is BLONDE and that nuthing states that its premature aging that made him blonde. ur going back on ur words. they lied to him about having the inferior genes, he states himself " i got all the flawed recessive genes". pretty clear cut if u think about it. liquid doesnt have the recessive genes, he had the dominant genes all along.

Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
What you said doesn't make any sense. Since Solidus is the perfect clone of Big Boss then common sense dictates that he has all the genetic flaws and gifts of the Big Boss. Which means he also has a collection of perfect genes as well included. Hence, being the PERFECT CLONE.

If you're arguing that he's not as *skilled* as Big Boss then I can understand and we can debate this. Other than that, your logic is quite a bit twisted.

yes, but having the perfect as well as the imperfect on the WHOLE, make u less than perfect, as opposed to one who has JUST the perfect genes. putting ALL things aside, expirience/cloning complications, etc etc. solidus, GENETICALLY, is the second best clone of big boss, ion terms of genetic potential. while liquid is the best. his PERFECTION, lies in being a perfect COPY.

as far as overall performance goes, yes that is what im saying, genetically they are identical. but not only is big boss far more SKILLED, but he also doesnt suffer from the misgivings of premature aging which is a result of flawed CLONING techniques. ofcourse, i am not saying that purely genetically, big boss is superior to solidus, they are the same, but only after barring skill and cloning complications from the equation.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
yes, but having the perfect as well as the imperfect on the WHOLE, make u less than perfect, as opposed to one who has JUST the perfect genes. putting ALL things aside, expirience/cloning complications, etc etc. solidus, GENETICALLY, is the second best clone of big boss, ion terms of genetic potential. while liquid is the best. his PERFECTION, lies in being a perfect COPY.

as far as overall performance goes, yes that is what im saying, genetically they are identical. but not only is big boss far more SKILLED, but he also doesnt suffer from the misgivings of premature aging which is a result of flawed CLONING techniques. ofcourse, i am not saying that purely genetically, big boss is superior to solidus, they are the same, but only after barring skill and cloning complications from the equation.

Even if your right, Liquid still got his ass whipped by Solid, an inferior clone. So genes aren't everything. Solidus, being the Perfect clone or from your perspective, the Perfect carbon copy of the Big Boss has both dominant and recessive genes and he displayed better skills than Liquid as well.

I don't know where you get the idea that Big Boss is FAR more skilled than Big Boss. That's ludicrous because you're saying that Solid is MUCH FAR more skilled than Solidus since Solid beat Big Boss.

At best Solid is equal to Big Boss and seeing what Solidus is capable of I'd put him in the league of Big Boss as well. Since unlike Solid Snake, Solidus has dominant genes and the skills to match.

^is that why he lost like a ***** to raiden?is that why the plane he was piloting was shot down with ease by raiden and snake? is human raiden the most skilled character in the mgsverse now????????????????? cmon, at least look at the implication of what ur saying.

solid is superior to big boss. for reasons read the thread before and the snake vs big boss thread. it isnt genes, thats what im saying. it is will and skill. as for the second paragraph of ur post, i cant make heads or tails of it.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
^is that why he lost like a ***** to raiden?is that why the plane he was piloting was shot down with ease by raiden and snake? is human raiden the most skilled character in the mgsverse now????????????????? cmon, at least look at the implication of what ur saying.

solid is superior to big boss. for reasons read the thread before and the snake vs big boss thread. it isnt genes, thats what im saying. it is will and skill. as for the second paragraph of ur post, i cant make heads or tails of it.

I made an error typo on the second paragraph. I should of edited it. I meant to say why you think Solid is far more skilled than Big Boss.

He didn't lose like a ***** to Raiden. The only way to kill Solidus was to sever the spine. And Raiden did that. You think Raiden is a little pussy? You should give him far more credit than that. He was trained by Solidus. It shows how skilled he is. *Human* Raiden took out Vamp *twice*. He was skilled enough to shoot Vamp in the head in their very first encounter when Raiden fought Fortune even when she had her special shield on. Vamp was right next to Fortune and Raiden made a perfect head shot.

Raiden has more than proven to be on Solid's level. I don't know why you don't see this.

My mistake, Raiden's first headshot of Vamp was accidental because of Fortune's field. So disregard that. But he did beat Vamp twice afterwards.

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Originally posted by CosmicSurfer

Raiden has more than proven to be on Solid's level. I don't know why you don't see this.

its because Leonheart has played the super dooper fun version of MGS2 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Kazenji
its because Leonheart has played the super dooper fun version of MGS2 😖hifty:

Oh you mean the version where Snake fails to save Raiden from Vamp and as a result you play the rest of the Plant chapter with Snake since Raiden's dead. oh yeah that version is the BEST GAME EVAH. It came out for the Xenolution 2.5.

They don't got that in Australia yet.
The next gen console for them (scheduled debut 2010) is the Sega Dreamcast.

And i hear America still has'nt got the Atari 2600 i hear that comes out in 2015

so raiden>solidus>big boss >_ solid snake.

am i HEARING this right?! lmao, u people r nuts.

Originally posted by Kazenji
And i hear America still has'nt got the Atari 2600 i hear that comes out in 2015

Originally posted by leonheartmm
so raiden>solidus>big boss >_ solid snake.

am i HEARING this right?! lmao, u people r nuts.

Since when does equal mean superior?

Solid doesn't>>>Big Boss
he only beat an old Big Boss. Kojima already said that Solid and Naked Snake are equals.

silly people i type >_ which means greater than or equal to. in reality, snake has done more in his old age than big boss did, battle wise. so age isnt a limiting factor.