John Mclane vs the Joker

Originally posted by demoneyeslaharl
If its intelligence alone, Joker takes the cake. Unless Mclane can be as smart and as cunning as Batman, then he will find himself playing Joker's game, or dancing in his tune. I am willing to bet that those 'false sense of security' was the Joker's ploy too...

Like I said... if Joker doesn't factor in Mclane... Mr. Badass will kill him. But if the Joker does... then Mclane's chances drop fast.

Okay. 🙂

Give us a scenario for how the Joker uses his omg furze smartz to take Mcclane out. Simply being "smart" doesn't cut it.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
All the times he was just strolling about completely alone and unarmed. I know he can do impressive things with a pencil and that, but first you have to let him - that's not something that Mclane would do.

I know Mclane can do impressive things with a gun... but you have to let him. Will Joker even give him that opprotunity?

See? Pointless. The point you gave was too vague. You forget the context of the situations... hence why I am asking you to list all the opprotunities you can think off so we can discuss them.

Originally posted by demoneyeslaharl
I know Mclane can do impressive things with a gun... but you have to let him. Will Joker even give him that opprotunity?

See? Pointless. The point you gave was too vague. You forget the context of the situations... hence why I am asking you to list all the opprotunities you can think off so we can discuss them.

Pulling a trigger is quite a bit easier. How would Joker not give him that opportunity? His way of confronting people is by playing mind games, face to face. I wouldn't consider it out of the question that if he did have his fancy array of explosives and a piece of string, that Mclane would simply shoot the hand holding the string, then shoot him the face immediately afterwards.

I can't really remember specific instances in their utmost detail. However, I remember thinking that the police had plenty of opportunities to kill him.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Okay. 🙂

Give us a scenario for how the Joker uses his omg furze smartz to take Mcclane out. Simply being "smart" doesn't cut it.

Alright, since situation one was about hostages, in an enclosed space, I will strictly stick to that because that is the only time Mclane has a chance.

Joker has used a lot of diversionary tactics, and a lot of Dilemma situations. Hostages dressed as perps, perps dressed as hostages. If he was willing to put a lot of bombs in two ferries, why not wire the whole building, in fact. Dead man's trigger can used to his advantage a lot here. Shoot the Joker, blow the hostages. Or for fun, blow where the Joker thinks Mclane is if he wasn't in the mood for playing.

Mclane, as trigger happy as he is... is still a cop. Hell, for fun, let's put his ex-wife or his daughter, just to increase his chances of survival. He will not ever try to harm the hostages. Ever. That can be used to exploit in a lot of ways.

The Joker is also resourceful... not only using people as henchmen but also dogs. I doubt Mclane can survive three of them coming at him... never saw him with an odd affinity with animals (unlike Riggs).

Mclane will need to shoot him by surprise. When he's not prepared. That's how he can win against him in situation one.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Pulling a trigger is quite a bit easier. How would Joker not give him that opportunity? His way of confronting people is by playing mind games, face to face. I wouldn't consider it out of the question that if he did have his fancy array of explosives and a piece of string, that Mclane would simply shoot the hand holding the string, then shoot him the face immediately afterwards.

I can't really remember specific instances in their utmost detail. However, I remember thinking that the police had plenty of opportunities to kill him.

Now, that's a good example. The mob meeting. If those people had guns, maybe Joker would not have survived. I remmeber they gave them away to start the meeting (they entered through a metal detector). Joker knew that too well... hence why he used a string... and why Gamble's henchmen were not pulling any Steel, but were about to grapple him.

There is always a context in the film. That is why when Joker was either on the open, he was very sure he was not going to get shot.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Okay. 🙂

Give us a scenario for how the Joker uses his omg furze smartz to take Mcclane out. Simply being "smart" doesn't cut it.

Or maybe Joker goes into disguise as a hostage. then when Mclane finds said hostages, pretends to be one and stabs Mclane in the back of the head or blows out his brains?

Or how about Joker has his thugs just all jump him at the same time? ONE thug was beating Mclane's ass in the first movie, Mclane is by no means some super uber skilled fighter on Batman's level, not even close.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Walks out of the building as he blows it up. He won't stick around so he can rob the bank, Joker couldn't give two shits about money or other people, including his men.

That defeats the point of taking the building hostage. And as soon as he walks out he'll get mowed down by Police. It's all against the scenario itself.

Or maybe Joker goes into disguise as a hostage. then when Mclane finds said hostages, pretends to be one and stabs Mclane in the back of the head or blows out his brains?

And the other hostages are going to be... sitting there, watching? They won't speak, or make a gesture? Not how it works in the real world.

Or how about Joker has his thugs just all jump him at the same time? ONE thug was beating Mclane's ass in the first movie, Mclane is by no means some super uber skilled fighter on Batman's level, not even close.

Yes, they're all going to jump him in a giant sky skysraper. Obviously.

Dude...

And John Mcclane has something that's way better then Batman's fighting skills. He has a gun, and he's not afraid to use it.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Okay. 🙂

Give us a scenario for how the Joker uses his omg furze smartz to take Mcclane out. Simply being "smart" doesn't cut it.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Walks out of the building as he blows it up. He won't stick around so he can rob the bank, Joker couldn't give two shits about money or other people, including his men.

Or maybe Joker goes into disguise as a hostage. then when Mclane finds said hostages, pretends to be one and stabs Mclane in the back of the head or blows out his brains?

Or how about Joker has his thugs just all jump him at the same time? ONE thug was beating Mclane's ass in the first movie, Mclane is by no means some super uber skilled fighter on Batman's level, not even close.

😕 Or... that... yeah.

😂 Yeah... totally forgot that Joker is not really motivated by anything normal... and that is his biggest edge. 💃 Missed it.

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
That defeats the point of taking the building hostage. And as soon as he walks out he'll get mowed down by Police. It's all against the scenario itself.

And the other hostages are going to be... sitting there, watching? They won't speak, or make a gesture? Not how it works in the real world.

Yes, they're all going to jump him in a giant sky skysraper. Obviously.

Dude...

And John Mcclane has something that's way better then Batman's fighting skills. He has a gun, and he's not afraid to use it.

2. Considering Joker could order his guards to shoot down any hostage who speaks, and the fact that they would not know Joker is among them? And Mclane doesn't have Godlike reaction time, if someone yells out as Joker pulls out a gun, Mclane won't react in time to save his brains from being blown out. Joker was able to hide among those police officers before, why not now?

3. Considering Hans and his men did it before, why not? And Joker won't be as merciful in an actual confrontation with Mclane as he was with Batman, he knows Batman will not kill him, he would be well aware that Mclane would have no problem doing it.

O RLY? The thugs Batman fights have guns and are not afraid to use them, and Batman beats the shit out of them daily.

And you forget another thing, the presence of Mclane's wife.

Joker took Rachel hostage in the movie, he would gladly take someone hostage in this situation as well.

Mclane has never faced someone as smart, insane, or morally deprived as Joker.

How has McCalen never faced anyone has insane, intelligent or morally deprived as the joker? Have you not seen the Die Hard movie's? All of the Villains in the Die hard movie's are morally deprived and insane, yet incredibly intelligent. jeremy Irons held the City of New York under lock without them even knowing by whom.

McClane stears a flaming truck that is falling from an airplane into the Joker before he has a chance to make any insidious plans...,and you know McClane can do it.

He's gonna aquire a truck in a Skyscraper?

Lol.

Yeah, dude, of course.

Joker makes the pencil disappear in the truck. Truck blows up.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
How has McCalen never faced anyone has insane, intelligent or morally deprived as the joker? Have you not seen the Die Hard movie's? All of the Villains in the Die hard movie's are morally deprived and insane, yet incredibly intelligent.

😉 They wish they were as intelligent or as interesting as the Joker. 😛

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Yeah, until the movie goes to DVD, at which point no one will give two shits. haermm

Hopefully the nonsense about the Joker beating opponents that are far superior will die with it too.

Like I said, TDK is starting to entertain more out of the theatre than in.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hopefully the nonsense about the Joker beating opponents that are far superior will die with it too.

Yes he is. Times infinity.

Knowing joker, he'd take mclanes family hostage

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Too bad Mclane isn't one of those opponents.

He's taken on a multitude of highly trained and heavily armed terrorist, he clearly has the upper hand when it comes to a gun battle in regards to the Joker. He's also out-done Hans Gruber, who was a mastermind.

Joker's only change would be dumb luck, like John slipping on a banana peel.

and then after that... who the hell knows

But seriously.. the only reason joker holds the upperhand to batman is because batman doesnt want to kill him

simple as that