Joker never landed a hit on Batman without the help of some kind of distraction.
Does anyone else remember the fact that in the first scene where Batman and Joker square off, Bats' is taking on about 6 or seven of Jokers henchmen + the Joker? and was beating them until Joker threw Rachel out the window
Originally posted by Prime#
Joker never landed a hit on Batman without the help of some kind of distraction.Does anyone else remember the fact that in the first scene where Batman and Joker square off, Bats' is taking on about 6 or seven of Jokers henchmen + the Joker? and was beating them until Joker threw Rachel out the window
I think that was the time Joker knew he needed dogs. haha.
Originally posted by Robtard1. So this isn't really Joker at all? Taking his character into account, he doesn't give two shits about money, and will blow the whole friggin place away if he has to, hell, if he feels like it actually. Hans was a genius...Nowhere on Joker's level. Hans took control of a building trying to rob a bank and was able to hold off the police with hostages long enough until he got shot by John and fell to his death. Joker had an entire city cowering, was always several steps ahead of the Police and even Batman, and only lost a fistfight with Batman, which is by no means a bad feat. Joker however did manage to do something he set out to do, he won in a sense by corrupting the "best of Gotham", Harvey Dent, he won "the battle for Gotham's soul", and proved that one bad day is all it takes to drive a mind insane, and that anyone can be a killer under the right circumstances, which was pretty much his main goal.
And the Joker is still trying to perform a little B&E. He's stealing, not trying some master scheme to bring a whole city to it's knees. Hans was a genius.LoL, again with the dogs. This is how pathetic you "Joker pwns all" people are becoming. Dogs this or dogs that. BTW, the Joker likes to use a knife, he said it himself.
And he got his ass thrown out the window for all his badass-ness you think he has. The fight wasn't that long. Don't make it seem like it was some epic battle with Batman barely pulling through. BTW, John has a gun, no need to fight the Joker with his fist.
2. Nice dodge there mate. What is really pathetic is how you Mclaner's only real argument is,"Mclane is a badass with a gun and will shoot Joker dead." Joker prefers a knife, sure, but as seen MULTIPLE times in the movie, he will use a gun when neccessary.
3. And Mclane got beaten up by some random German guy until Mclane hung him by the neck on a chain. Joker got beat by the Batman after he shot Joker with blades that come out of his gauntlets. Which feat is worse? Sure, this will most likely never come to a fist fight. Never argued it would. And Joker has a gun, and is so much smarter than Mclane that he can and will kill Mclane.
Originally posted by Prime#Actually by the time Joker entered the fight most of Joker's thugs were already taken out.
Joker never landed a hit on Batman without the help of some kind of distraction.Does anyone else remember the fact that in the first scene where Batman and Joker square off, Bats' is taking on about 6 or seven of Jokers henchmen + the Joker? and was beating them until Joker threw Rachel out the window
Though that was Batman.
10 Mclane's couldn't beat one Batman in a fistfight.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
He kicked the Joker's ass... when? In the interrogation scene, when the Joker was in the middle of a f*cking police department and wasn't interested in doing anything to Batman himself? Oh, yeah, that scene.Now, an actual scene when they fought, please, and Batman destroyed the Joker?
As for the 'scores of ninja'? He beat up... 6, 7 or so ninja with great difficulty, and subsequently proceeded to defeat Ra's Al Ghul in the same manner that he beat the Joker; they got cocky or didn't want to kill him when they had the upper hand, so Batman took the opportunity and defeated him. Not saying that Ra's Al Ghul is necessarily better- but Batman isn't, either.
You know why I like Batman? He uses stealth, deception, fear, and martial arts to fight his opponents. He doesn't waltz in front of them and beats them up; he stealthily attacks them and uses his bullet-proof suit to avoid damage to him. So, there goes your points about Batman defeating scores of thugs with just his H2H skills.
And, if Batman was as vastly superior as you say, he would have easily subdued the Joker after the dogs were down; so it happens that he didn't. And even after being only momentarily blinded, the Joker still pressed his advantage and pinned him down. If Batman was vastly superior, he would've escaped or stopped the Joker from beating him up. And, for god's sake, the JOKER DIDN'T TRY TO KILL HIM!
As for the comment about him being an excellent knife user? Well, according to Jaxx, he used a knife against Batman. Otherwise, there isn't any specific place displaying the fact that he is an excellent knife user- however, he is shown to carry dozens of knifes on his body and, by his own admission, prefers them to guns, logically meaning that he at least spent some time training his skills with a knife.
That doesn't matter, though, as John isn't half the hand-to-hand fighter Batman is.
He kicked his ass in that very fight scene, did you forget that the fight ended with Joker's ass being thrown out the window and then being saved by Batman? It's very silly of you to ignore this and just state "the Joker spiritually won." He also kicked his ass in the party scene for Harvey, as Prime# mentioned. Or did the Joker "spiritually win" there too?
Ah, when he rebels against Raj Ah Ghul, there's a lot more than just 6 or 7 ninja. Even so, the Joker hasn't shown the ability to even take out 6-7 of these ninja. Or do you think he could?
Yet he still defeats scores and scores of thugs in a face on fight. Did you forget the fight scenes in the train in BB with the ninja and then again the fight scene in TDK in the night club with the thugs? He faced them face to face with no "sneaking" about, as you claim. There goes your little theory.
One stab attack doesn't make someone an expert with knives, either does just carrying a bunch of knives. Sure, though, he knows how to grab a knife and them stab with it, who doesn't though?
And we weren't talking about Joker Vs John at the moment, remember.
Seriously, the Joker is no match for Batman physically, it's just dumb to argue that it is. Like I mentioned, even the Joker acknowledges this in the movie after he's left dangling by his ankle after Batman tossed his ass out the window.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. So this isn't really Joker at all? Taking his character into account, he doesn't give two shits about money, and will blow the whole friggin place away if he has to, hell, if he feels like it actually. Hans was a genius...Nowhere on Joker's level. Hans took control of a building trying to rob a bank and was able to hold off the police with hostages long enough until he got shot by John and fell to his death. Joker had an entire city cowering, was always several steps ahead of the Police and even Batman, and only lost a fistfight with Batman, which is by no means a bad feat. Joker however did manage to do something he set out to do, he won in a sense by corrupting the "best of Gotham", Harvey Dent, he won "the battle for Gotham's soul", and proved that one bad day is all it takes to drive a mind insane, and that anyone can be a killer under the right circumstances, which was pretty much his main goal.2. Nice dodge there mate. What is really pathetic is how you Mclaner's only real argument is,"Mclane is a badass with a gun and will shoot Joker dead." Joker prefers a knife, sure, but as seen MULTIPLE times in the movie, he will use a gun when neccessary.
3. And Mclane got beaten up by some random German guy until Mclane hung him by the neck on a chain. Joker got beat by the Batman after he shot Joker with blades that come out of his gauntlets. Which feat is worse? Sure, this will most likely never come to a fist fight. Never argued it would. And Joker has a gun, and is so much smarter than Mclane that he can and will kill Mclane.
Well yeah, if it were John in Batman's place trying to stop the Joker from corrupting Harvey dent and putting fear into an entire city, I've no doubt the Joker would succeed, this isn't the scenario though. It's more than likely that John could take out Joker's thugs and the Joker himself in this scenario though, as he's taken out mercs and Hans Gruber.
I've said repeatedly this would likely end in a gun fight with the Joker shooting back and not just standing around. John is better at gun fights, it's what he does.
Originally posted by Robtard1. The scenario is that Joker has control of the building with hostages. That is it. Going by Joker's character, blowing the building to hell after he escapes on an ambulance is a very viable option.
Well yeah, if it were John in Batman's place trying to stop the Joker from corrupting Harvey dent and putting fear into an entire city, I've no doubt the Joker would succeed, this isn't the scenario though. It's more than likely that John could take out Joker's thugs and the Joker himself in this scenario though, as he's taken out mercs and Hans Gruber.I've said repeatedly this would likely end in a gun fight with the Joker shooting back and not just standing around. John is better at gun fights, it's what he does.
2. Oh, now Mclane is probably a better gunman than Joker due to Joker's lack of gun feats, granted. But like in TDK, he won't be stupid and risk it with Mclane. In TDK, by his own words, he wasn't going to risk the battle for Gotham's soul in a fist fight with Batman, he had an ace in the hole, Harvey Dent. He essentially won the battle for Gotham's soul by corrupting their "white knight." He won't risk losing in a gunfight with John, that would be stupid.
He disguised himself in the movie twice, once as a nurse, once as a cop. Why not disguise himself as a hostage?
Also, why not do what he did in TDK, have his thugs dress as hostages with hidden guns, and force the hostages to pose as thugs, while Mclane is gunning down hostages, a disguised thug could shoot him.
Lolz. To be honest, in the comics, Joker is sometimes depicted as a 'pussy' and sometimes as a match for Batman in H2H... it's really sort of ridiculous. Lol. And in the original Batman, the Joker was once again a pussy, and then in TDK... yeah.
Originally posted by Robtard
He kicked his ass in that very fight scene, did you forget that the fight ended with Joker's ass being thrown out the window and then being saved by Batman? It's very silly of you to ignore this and just state "the Joker spiritually won." He also kicked his ass in the party scene for Harvey, as Prime# mentioned. Or did the Joker "spiritually win" there too?
I just love it how you ignore the fact that the Joker pwned the hell out of Batman until he got cocky and subsequently was shot by knives from Batman's gauntlet. But no, BATMAN OMGZ KIKED HIS A$$!!!
He... didn't kick his ass in the party as far as I can remember. Then again, I only saw TDK once (and am intending to see it again sometime next week), but from what I remember, a bunch of the Joker's thugs held Batman, the Joker got a few hits, and then Batman knocked them away. Oooohhh, the Joker got owned. That's not necessarily a fight scene by which to judge them, anyway. Meh.
Originally posted by Robtard
Ah, when he rebels against Raj Ah Ghul, there's a lot more than just 6 or 7 ninja. Even so, the Joker hasn't shown the ability to even take out 6-7 of these ninja. Or do you think he could?
I suppose we can all casually ignore that Batman blew up the the temple, and subsequently -only- engaged a fake Ra's Al Ghul in combat. And even then, guess what? He only got lucky due to debris falling on 'Ra's' and killing him.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yet he still defeats scores and scores of thugs in a face on fight. Did you forget the fight scenes in the train in BB with the ninja and then again the fight scene in TDK in the night club with the thugs? He faced them face to face with no "sneaking" about, as you claim. There goes your little theory.
The night club was dark and filled with odd lights, and considering Batman was trained to fight in circumstances with low visibility, that would give him an advantage.
As for the train scene? LOL. I just watched it right now, and Bats only came out of the window and proceeded to fight Ra's Al Ghul. No thugs, no nothing.
Originally posted by Robtard
One stab attack doesn't make someone an expert with knives, either does just carrying a bunch of knives. Sure, though, he knows how to grab a knife and them stab with it, who doesn't though?
The fact that he bothers carrying so many knives and, apparently, likes to use them to such an extent, implies that he is an extraordinary knife user- if he wasn't, he wouldn't have known the difference in the usability of several knives, and therefore, would not have carried so many of 'em.
Originally posted by Robtard
Seriously, the Joker is no match for Batman physically, it's just dumb to argue that it is. Like I mentioned, even the Joker acknowledges this in the movie after he's left dangling by his ankle after Batman tossed his ass out the window.
Heh. Once again, ignoring facts is nice. The Joker said he won't risk everything in a fist fight with Batman, because he doesn't do that- why should he? Beating up Batman was never part of the plan. And besides, refute this:
1. After the dogs were thrown away, Batman and Joker fought evenly. This is before Batman was blinded.
2. Batman was pinned down helplessly, and even after he was blinded, he didn't recover.
3. The Joker never actually tried to kill Batman.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
1. After the dogs were thrown away, Batman and Joker fought evenly. This is before Batman was blinded.2. Batman was pinned down helplessly, and even after he was blinded, he didn't recover.
3. The Joker never actually tried to kill Batman.
1. They didn't fight evenly, Batman had already fought about 20 Swat people, three dogs and had taken about 15 hits from Joker with a crowbar...yeah, fought evenly. Also, it wasn't before Batman was blinded, when he got rid of the dogs, he pushed Joker away and was blinded immediately.
2. We don't know whether he was pinned downed helplessly, the fact is that he got rid of Joker later on. Whether he was helpless until that chance arose, or he chose to wait, but could have gotten out at any time is questionable.
3. True, not relevant though.
Originally posted by Bardock42
1. They didn't fight evenly, Batman had already fought about 20 Swat people, three dogs and had taken about 15 hits from Joker with a crowbar...yeah, fought evenly. Also, it wasn't before Batman was blinded, when he got rid of the dogs, he pushed Joker away and was blinded immediately.
Fought about twenty SWAT people and didn't take a single hit. Sorry, when you have Batman's training and stamina, it's almost meaningless.
In addition, the Joker also took a few hits from Batman, as well. And they subsequently fought evenly. Very evenly; and if the Joker was such a pathetic weakling, as you people like to pretend, he would not have gotten that hit in that blinded Batman.
And still, after he recovered from the blinding, how come Batman didn't immediately subdue the Joker? Seriously. If he was nothing compared to Batman or however you like to say, Batman would've easily defeated him. He didn't.
Originally posted by Bardock42
2. We don't know whether he was pinned downed helplessly, the fact is that he got rid of Joker later on. Whether he was helpless until that chance arose, or he chose to wait, but could have gotten out at any time is questionable.
Please. The Joker stopped to see the fireworks; even you have to concede that he could've- easily- killed Batman at that point, but chose not to. And besides, what do you think would be easier for Batman? To simply turn the tables and thus easily get control of the Joker, or to use his gauntlet (which he didn't use up until now, probably because he wasn't forced to) and risk killing the Joker, something he didn't want to do?
And before you bring up 'Batman didn't wanna kill the Joker, either' stuff, please note that Batman fights hand-to-hand, which is a load less lethal than the Joker's regular weaponry.
Originally posted by Bardock42
3. True, not relevant though.
How come? He didn't blow up Batman's head with a gun, he didn't use his awesome knife-kick, he didn't slit Batman's throat. He was exclusively beating him up, holding back all the while. If the Joker actually wanted to kill Batman, he quite possibly could've in that fight, and not just when he pinned him down.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Fought about twenty SWAT people and didn't take a single hit. Sorry, when you have Batman's training and stamina, it's almost meaningless.In addition, the Joker also took a few hits from Batman, as well. And they subsequently fought evenly. Very evenly; and if the Joker was such a pathetic weakling, as you people like to pretend, he would not have gotten that hit in that blinded Batman.
And still, after he recovered from the blinding, how come Batman didn't immediately subdue the Joker? Seriously. If he was nothing compared to Batman or however you like to say, Batman would've easily defeated him. He didn't.
Because they weren't fighting evenly, Batman had already performed extreme feats. He took a major beating and was attacked by 3 fighting dogs. On top of being confused by his malfunctioning equipment. If you want to argue that Batman and Joker had an even fight there you are ludicrous. Nothing in the movie indicates that Joker is even close to Batman in strength or fighting skill, in fact, Joker even repeatedly states to the contrary.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Please. The Joker stopped to see the fireworks; even you have to concede that he could've- easily- killed Batman at that point, but chose not to. And besides, what do you think would be easier for Batman? To simply turn the tables and thus easily get control of the Joker, or to use his gauntlet (which he didn't use up until now, probably because he wasn't forced to) and risk killing the Joker, something he didn't want to do?And before you bring up 'Batman didn't wanna kill the Joker, either' stuff, please note that Batman fights hand-to-hand, which is a load less lethal than the Joker's regular weaponry.
No, what I said. You don't know whether he could have killed him or whether Batman was waiting for the right moment. Even if he could have, it doesn't prove that Joker is his equal. He isn't.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
How come? He didn't blow up Batman's head with a gun, he didn't use his awesome knife-kick, he didn't slit Batman's throat. He was exclusively beating him up, holding back all the while. If the Joker actually wanted to kill Batman, he quite possibly could've in that fight, and not just when he pinned him down.
Still not relevant.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Because they weren't fighting evenly, Batman had already performed extreme feats. He took a major beating and was attacked by 3 fighting dogs. On top of being confused by his malfunctioning equipment. If you want to argue that Batman and Joker had an even fight there you are ludicrous. Nothing in the movie indicates that Joker is even close to Batman in strength or fighting skill, in fact, Joker even repeatedly states to the contrary.
1. Show me a single statement where the Joker outright says that Batman is a superior combatant in a comparison to himself.
2. He was attacked by three fight dogs and the Joker. Batman knocked all of them away, and before the equipment malfunctioned or some shit (they would both logically be in pain), he and the Joker fought evenly, with neither pwning the other.
3. He WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN HIT IF THE JOKER IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO HIM IN H2H! Seriously.
Originally posted by Bardock42
No, what I said. You don't know whether he could have killed him or whether Batman was waiting for the right moment. Even if he could have, it doesn't prove that Joker is his equal. He isn't.
Really? Do you really think that Batman would not have just hit him the moment he was pinned down? What makes you think that? Risk letting the Joker blow up the boats or do some other sort of sick thing? Please. The Joker had Batman at his mercy, helpless. It's pointless to argue that he didn't.
And I'll retort with "Yes he is" Batman's equal.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Still not relevant.
How is it not relevant that the Joker was not going all-out against Batman? Seriously. Just imagine what would have happened if the Joker actually tried to kill Batman.
The way you dismiss what Batman has factually done and then just assume the Joker was somehow equal to Batman because he got a few hits in is absurdly funny.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
How is it not relevant that the Joker was not going all-out against Batman? Seriously. Just imagine what would have happened if the Joker actually tried to kill Batman.
So trying to stab and beating him repeatedly with a metal pipe was the Joker holding back? Tell what, what do you assume the Joker had that he was holding back?
Edit: You also need to pay better attention when you watch movies. In Batamn Begins, he fights several ninja and the fake Raj Ah Ghul in the temple, he survives. In Gotham, he takes out four ninjas and then shortly after takes out Raj Ah Ghul on the train. Joker would have been dead in any of these fights.
He also beats down several prison thugs while in jail; this was before he was trained bu the LOS.
Originally posted by Robtard
The way you dismiss what Batman has factually done and then just assume the Joker was somehow equal to Batman because he got a few hits in is absurdly funny.
Only if the Joker is nothing compared to Batman, he would not have fought him, and if he had, he would not have gotten a few hits in nor would he have been able to get the upper hand on Batman. Fail.
Originally posted by Robtard
So trying to stab and beating him repeatedly with a metal pipe was the Joker holding back? Tell what, what do you assume the Joker had that he was holding back?
Guns, his knife kick, and the fact that instead of using a pipe and a knife, he could have (easily) used two knives and stabbed Batman repeatedly while the dogs had him down. But, guess what? The Joker didn't try to kill him. If he had, he would've done it.
Originally posted by Robtard
Edit: You also need to pay better attention when you watch movies. In Batamn Begins, he fights several ninja and the fake Raj Ah Ghul in the temple, he survives. In Gotham, he takes out four ninjas and then shortly after takes out Raj Ah Ghul on the train. Joker would have been dead in any of these fights.
Jesus, you're the one who needs to pay closer attention to movies.
I have the movie IN FRONT OF ME, right now, and let me tell you percisely what happens:
Batman blows up the explosives, proceeds to knock out a surprise Ra's Al Ghul (the real one), knocks away a ninja, and engages the fake Ra's in a one-on-one battle after he gestures for the ninjas to get away and let him fight Bruce. During the entire fight, 'Ra's' spends his time beating on Bruce and then dying due to unluckiness.
Prove that the Joker couldn't use one of his machine guns, his knives, and his other arsenal of weapons to take them out. Unless you believe that Ra's Al Ghul would also have owned him in a fight, bla, bla, bla. You really need to stop ignoring evidence, alright?
Your delusion: The Joker isn't even close to Batman in terms of fighting abilities.
Facts: The Joker managed to get a few hits in and basically dominate Batman after the dogs were gone an before Batman's vision was interrupted. He pinned down Bats, held him at his mercy and STILL refused to kill him. In fact, during this entire fight, he doesn't bother actually using lethal force on Batman. Batman also didn't recover after the Joker got the upper hand, nor does he effortlessly release himself and proceed to WTFpwn Mr. J.
Verdict: The Joker is a match for Batman on an individual basis. Their confrontation showed it, and there is nothing in that particular fight scene that suggests Batman's dominance over the Joker.
And once again you're idiotically dismissing that Batman had already been fighting before he faced the Joker and his gear malfunctioned. The Joker was able to surprise him and get the upper hand. Though it was only momentarily.
You're assuming that the Joker could have done this or that with a knife or two knives or whatever. This is YOU assuming.
You really need to pay attention. The fact that Bruce survived proves his ability, Raj also didn't die, this is in the temple fight. In Gotham, Batman takes out four ninja as Raj escapes onto the train and then takes out Raj. Joker hasn't shown the ability to have survived either of these fights.
LoL. The Joker using a machine gun to win any of the fights Batman fought doesn't prove that the "joker is equal to Batman", that is factually a fail and then some. Yea, we see what Raj is capable of, and he is far superior to the Joker.
Again, you're dismissing the scenario that they fought in. Batman had previously been fighting, his gear malfunctioned and the Joker surprised him. This is why the Joker momentarily gained the upper-hand. There is no indication that the Joker would be a match in a even fight, as he still lost in a fight when he had many factors at his advantage.
Fact: You're suffering from "Heath did just a great job; I love the Joker, he's my hero" syndrome.
Edit: This has the scenes where Batman takes out the four ninja and then Raj. Do point out what Joker has shown that proves he could match these. Enjoy and do try to pay attention. @ 1:10
Originally posted by Robtard
And once again you're idiotically dismissing that Batman had already been fighting before he faced the Joker and his gear malfunctioned. The Joker was able to surprise him and get the upper hand. Though it was only momentarily.
If Batman let the Joker surprise him, it's Batman's fault- being capable of surprising the Batman has got to count for something, doesn't it? Your delusion is that Batman is somehow far superior to the Joker is idiotic. He didn't own the Joker, and he never got the upper hand during the ENTIRE FIGHT. That is fact.
Originally posted by Robtard
You're assuming that the Joker could have done this or that with a knife or two knives or whatever. This is YOU assuming.
What would prevent him from butchering Batman once the dogs had him? Or slashing him once he got the upper hand in the fight? Or blowing out his brains once he had him pinned down? This is not assuming. Nothing would have prevented the Joker from accomplishing that.
Originally posted by Robtard
You really need to pay attention. The fact that Bruce survived proves his ability, Raj also didn't die, this is in the temple fight. In Gotham, Batman takes out four ninja as Raj escapes onto the train and then takes out Raj. Joker hasn't shown the ability to have survived either of these fights.
Great. I was referring purely to the temple fight, where Bruce was dominated by a fake Ra's Al Ghul.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL. The Joker using a machine gun to win any of the fights Batman fought doesn't prove that the "joker is equal to Batman", that is factually a fail and then some. Yea, we see what Raj is capable of, and he is far superior to the Joker.
LOOOOOOOOL. Give me a single feat Ra's Al Ghul actually has that puts him above the Joker. Aside from "OMGZ HE'S AN UWB3R NINJA!!!!".
Originally posted by Robtard
Again, you're dismissing the scenario that they fought in. Batman had previously been fighting, his gear malfunctioned and the Joker surprised him. This is why the Joker momentarily gained the upper-hand. There is no indication that the Joker would be a match in a even fight, as he still lost in a fight when he had many factors at his advantage.
*Sigh*. Prove that Batman was tired, considering he didn't take a single hit, wasn't panting, and seemed in perfectly good shape when fighting the Joker. Also, explain how the Joker fought Batman evenly after the dogs and before the equipment malfunctioning. And, finally, explain how come a 'vastly inferior' Joker managed to surprise Batman, get the upper hand, and pin him down. All things you can't explain, eh?
Originally posted by Robtard
Fact: You're suffering from "Heath did just a great job; I love the Joker, he's my hero" syndrome.
Fact: Your argument consists of "OMGZ teh Joker surprized Batm@n andd hi got lucki!!11!!" and proceed to fail to answer any of my points or provide a suitable explanation for how the Joker was:
Holding back, pinned Batman down, fought him evenly without any sort of an advantage other than weaponry, and surprised him with a punch to the face.
You suffer from "TDK IS OVERRATED! JOKER CAN'T PWN ANY1! HAHAHAHAHA UR ALL FANBOYZ!!!" syndrome. 😉
Originally posted by Robtard
Edit: This has the scenes where Batman takes out the four ninja and then Raj. Do point out what Joker has shown that proves he could match these. Enjoy and do try to pay attention. @ 1:10
You can conveniently ignore that like the Joker, Ra's pinned Batman down and proceeded to gloat over his victory. Nor can you answer to the fact that the ninja were killed with difficulty and required usage of Batman's gadgets. Nor can you tell me how the Joker, armed with knives, a machine gun, and his considerable hand-to-hand prowess, won't be able to replicate the feat.