Star Forge empowered Revan vs Exar Kun

I am new this forum and have been reading many posts. I do not believe this one has been done before.

I am not as well versed on stars others but have read my different threads and came up with the one above.

I believe Revan will win.

Reasons:
One home court advantage
Two I believe Revan power level will be two high for Exar Kun to contend with on unfamiliar ground.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I am new this forum and have been reading many posts. I do not believe this one has been done before.

I am not as well versed on stars others but have read my different threads and came up with the one above.

I believe Revan will win.

Reasons:
One home court advantage
Two I believe Revan power level will be two high for Exar Kun to contend with on unfamiliar ground.

In a saber duel Exar Kun would win largely due to Revan being an unknown. In a force battle, while Revan has more dark side knowledge, Exar Kun DOES have his amulets so more than likely he'll win this too.

I don't think Revan ever powered himself off the Star Forge...

A Star-Forge empowered Revan is completely unknown, it can't be done accurately. However, assuming it would give a dramatic boost to his already powerful Force abilities... yeah, there's still no way to tell.

Originally posted by Tangible God
A Star-Forge empowered Revan is completely unknown, it can't be done accurately. However, assuming it would give a dramatic boost to his already powerful Force abilities... yeah, there's still no way to tell.

We can at least say that Revan will use the Star-Forge in the same way that Malak use it.

The question then is can Exar Kun take down Revan or defeat him more than once?

I doubt that Exar Kun could. If Revan was to lose one battle he might adapt to Exar Kun style by the second battle.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I am new this forum and have been reading many posts. I do not believe this one has been done before.

I am not as well versed on stars others but have read my different threads and came up with the one above.

I believe Revan will win.

Reasons:
One home court advantage
Two I believe Revan power level will be two high for Exar Kun to contend with on unfamiliar ground.

Question from the threads I have read it seems that many people are skeptical as to Exar Kun's ability to use the amulet. However, can the amulet instant kill a powerful force user? Any proof of that?

Originally posted by Kotor3
We can at least say that Revan will use the Star-Forge in the same way that Malak use it.

Unfortunately for you (and us in this scenario) Revan never allowed himself to become empowered from the Star Forge so we really don't know how powerful he could have been.

The question then is can Exar Kun take down Revan or defeat him more than once?

I doubt that Exar Kun could. If Revan was to lose one battle he might adapt to Exar Kun style by the second battle.

This battle could really either way. Kun's gets the advantage in the saber department for the reasons Darth Sexy said. And a force duel could really go either way so right now I'm more inclined to say Kun wins but the fact that this takes place on the star forge could really give Revan the edge but we really don't know if Kun couldn't get a normal DS boost too because the star forge is a power object of the darkside.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Unfortunately for you (and us in this scenario) Revan never allowed himself to become empowered from the Star Forge so we really don't know how powerful he could have been.

You do realize that anyone can drain the captives on the balcony like Malak did. If you are referring to what Bastilla did on the star forge then she really didn't die, she just had her energy(stamina) restored. If Kun stabs him then I really doubt Revan could restore his stamina/"energy" as there is a fair chance that the lightsaber stab/slash is instantly fatal. The star forge can't help him if loses a limb or if Revan is decapitated.

That is easier said than done considering because Revan's saber skills are unknown and we know that Kun's double bladed lightsaber is unique in it's hilt size and the fact that Kun could alter blade lengths.

This battle could really either way. Kun's gets the advantage in the saber department for the reasons Darth Sexy said. And a force duel could really go either way so right now I'm more inclined to say Kun wins but the fact that this takes place on the star forge could really give Revan the edge but we really don't know if Kun couldn't get a normal DS boost too because the star forge is a power object of the darkside.

I believe it has already been established that a dark user simply walking on the star forge does not empowered him. The star forge is the main reason the Rakata race was destroyed. One must be powerful enough and have knowledge of the star forge in order to use it.

Revan search and study about the Star Forge before he started to use it. He knew what it could do and had done to other force users. We also know that Malak and Bastilla was empowered by the Star Forge, by how much we do not know but enough to contend with Revan something that they most likely would not be able to do on their own.

As for the draining of captive force users, if that was something that would be to anyone’s advantage in a fight why did Malak use it when fighting Revan. Mostly likely he would figure that Revan could easily do the same. This is speculation but since Malak did state to Revan that he found out how to use the true power of the Star Forge maybe there was something more to it than just draining a captive force user.

Either way I do not see how any of this could be to Exar Kun advantage since he knows nothing about the Star Forge.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I believe it has already been established that a dark user simply walking on the star forge does not empowered him. The star forge is the main reason the Rakata race was destroyed.

Revan search and study about the Star Forge before he started to use it. He knew what it could do and had done to other force users. We also know that Malak and Bastilla was empowered by the Star Forge, by how much we do not know but enough to contend with Revan something that they most likely would not be able to do on their own.

There is no proof that Bastilla was anything really special without her Battle meditation or if she even had any lightsaber skills to contend with revan in the first place. We also don't know anything about the duels so don't go throwing around statements like "they most likely would not be able to do on their own." because for all we know Malak was dominating Revan for a most of the duel before Revan killed him.

As for the draining of captive force users, if that was something that would be to anyone’s advantage in a fight why did Malak use it when fighting Revan. Mostly likely he would figure that Revan could easily do the same.

This is speculation but since Malak did state to Revan that he found out how to use the true power of the Star Forge maybe there was something more to it than just draining a captive force user.

Either way I do not see how any of this could be to Exar Kun advantage since he knows nothing about the Star Forge.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I believe it has already been established that a dark user simply walking on the star forge does not empowered him. The star forge is the main reason the Rakata race was destroyed. One must be powerful enough and have knowledge of the star forge in order to use it.

Either way I do not see how any of this could be to Exar Kun advantage since he knows nothing about the Star Forge. [/B]

The only advantage Exar Kun would have would be with his amulets. However, since Malak became very powerful while on the SF, how much more powerful would Revan be when empowered by the ancient device?

What incarnation of Revan is this? Is it Darth Revan or is it the postkotor Revan incarnation?

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Just because you say it doesn't make it so, prove up. the star forge is huge object of the darkside unless you are willing to claim that it can hide it's dark side energies from kun. You don't have to know its secrets to get the normal dark side boost as you would get from being in any other area strong in the dark side.

There is no proof that Bastilla was anything really special without her Battle meditation or if she even had any lightsaber skills to contend with revan in the first place. We also don't know anything about the duels so don't go throwing around statements like "they most likely would not be able to do on their own." because for all we know Malak was dominating Revan for a most of the duel before Revan killed him.

Wrong, Revan would never drain jedi to gain strength/power because he was a lightsider (aka jedi) and Malak even says that the "energy"/remaining force power had a "dark taint" (Malak's exact words) so there is no way a lightsider/jedi Revan would want to receive a dark taint. Any darksider would have no problem draining captive jedi to gain power, any jedi would most likely not do this.

As you said that is speculation but it doesn't really matter here.

As I said the Star Forge is a huge (small moon?) object of the darkside that is something kun could detect and there is no reason why he couldn't get a normal darkside boost from it(like any other darkside planet,or place built by sentient life) just because he doesn't know it secrets. Unless you can prove that it can hide its dark side presence/"energy" from kun on some other frequency in the force.

As I stated before I am new to this. I hope I am posting correctly but how do you post in between quotes?

Ok Kun powers are heighten. What level will it heighten to and in comparison to someone who has knowledge of how the Star Forge works is unknown. So there nothing to prove there.

As for Bastilla, yes all we have it the game however, we do know that she was sent with the Jedi party to defeat Revan. She is shown fighting and defeating dark Jedi with her saber. She is mention as a skill Jedi in the game. If that is not enough for you then there is nothing I can say to you in reference to her. However, your opinion that Bastilla was only special for her Battle meditation is nothing more than speculation.

As for the duels, we do know that Malak was fearful of Revan as every other sith and Jedi was and would not face Revan in a duel. So I am not throwing around statements about Malak not being able to compete with Revan unless on the Star Forge. Unless you can prove that he or Bastilla could. If he was dominating Revan then all the more it shows how much more powerful the Star Forge made him.

I will be more specific, since this is a Star Forge empowered Revan he is not a light user. So you can say Revan before he lost his memory. Star Forge would not empower a light user. So my statement above still holds.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I assure you that Kun is up there with Revan in terms of raw force abilities. He may be lacking in actual dark side knowledge but if Malak can use the SF, so could he.

The only advantage Exar Kun would have would be with his amulets. However, since Malak became very powerful while on the SF, how much more powerful would Revan be when empowered by the ancient device?

I am sure Kun could use the Star Forge if he had knowledge of it. But the question is as you stated above since Malak became very powerful while on the SF, how much more powerful would Revan be when empowered by the ancient device?

Speculation, but if Malak was able to compete with Revan for a time then I believe it is a significant amount that Revan would go up.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I am sure Kun could use the Star Forge if he had knowledge of it. But the question is as you stated above since Malak became very powerful while on the SF, how much more powerful would Revan be when empowered by the ancient device?

Speculation, but if Malak was able to compete with Revan for a time then I believe it is a significant amount that Revan would go up.

Originally posted by Kotor3
As I stated before I am new to this. I hope I am posting correctly but how do you post in between quotes?

Ok Kun powers are heighten. What level will it heighten to and in comparison to someone who has knowledge of how the Star Forge works is unknown. So there nothing to prove there.

As for Bastilla, yes all we have it the game however, we do know that she was sent with the Jedi party to defeat Revan.

She was selected for the mission for her battle meditation, to aid in the trap and it is also possible she could have placed herself as bait to lure the sith but regardless of the reason there is nothing to suggest she could take Revan alone.

She is shown fighting and defeating dark Jedi with her saber.

If that is not enough for you then there is nothing I can say to you in reference to her. However, your opinion that Bastilla was only special for her Battle meditation is nothing more than speculation.

As for the duels, we do know that Malak was fearful of Revan as every other sith and Jedi was and would not face Revan in a duel. So I am not throwing around statements about Malak not being able to compete with Revan unless on the Star Forge. Unless you can prove that he or Bastilla could. If he was dominating Revan then all the more it shows how much more powerful the Star Forge made him.

I will be more specific, since this is a Star Forge empowered Revan he is not a light user. So you can say Revan before he lost his memory. Star Forge would not empower a light user. So my statement above still holds.

Now here is where things get interesting because on the star forge Malak says that Darth Revan (the incarnation you specified for this duel) is weaker than the lightside Revan that killed him(Malak) on the star forge while he (Malak) was empowered by it. So that raises the question of how powerful Darth Revan would actually be. Because we know that Darth Revan didn't use/know( according to Malak) the secrets of the star forge. And the only "secrets" of the star forge that could help Darth Revan vs Exar Kun is It also raises the question to me-Is Darth Revan still more powerful than kotor(SF) Malak who would probably become stronger once he was the DLOTS and if Darth Revan really is stronger than Darth Malak than by how much?

A) the star forge replenishing him as shown in the bastilla duel but that also makes me wonder if he has to be in that room by the object of the star forge to get his "energy" back the same way bastilla did and if so then what would happen if Kun uses his amulets or lightning on the object of the star forge and if the star forge could still replenish him with that object blown to bits by Kun.

B) the other secret relevant to 1v1 combat shown in kotor is the stasis holding the jedi captive which as I already explained can be exploited by any dark sider once they see it done. But then again those captive jedi were there because of Malak not Revan.

Now i will address this point of yours- If he was dominating Revan then all the more it shows how much more powerful the Star Forge made him.

As I already have explained that any darksider including Kun can gain the normal DS boost. but the secrets on the star forge that I addressed above were either not used by Revan (I recall a statement that he distance himself from the star forge) or B) not known to him as Malak suggests.

So what is a star forge empowered Darth Revan? Well based on what I have provided he seems to be a dark side being with a DS boost from the star forge and with the possible knowledge of the secrets demonstrated by Malak that Kun could either A) possibly destroy or B) replicate.(aka drain captives)

BTW welcome to kmc. 😉

My apologies I made a slight error at the end of my above post. When I said "cause we know that Darth Revan didn't use/know( according to Malak) the secrets of the star forge. And the only "secrets" of the star forge that could help Darth Revan vs Exar Kun is "I added a sentence after I made the post so the secrets that I was referring to were the A) and B) points and the sentence about malak vs darth revan should not be where I placed it.

I am at work so I won’t respond so quickly but nice statements below. However there is some confusion on you part as to my statements that I will clarify for you.

Elite Hunter: She was selected for the mission for her battle meditation, to aid in the trap and it is also possible she could have placed herself as bait to lure the sith but regardless of the reason there is nothing to suggest she could take Revan alone.

I never stated that Bastilla could. My point is the Jedi would not allow there most useful tool to board Revan ship without knowing she would be a validate asset in force and combat skills. To do so would be utterly stupid as they would be sending her to her death. She did not have to board the ship. As they say pictures can say a thousand words well so do cut scenes. Bastilla is shown in the forefront fighting and directly says to Revan “you cannot win”. Point: This shows us the she was a very skilled Jedi.

Elite Hunter: I don't recall Malak being fearful exactly. About halfway through the star forge Malak wanted to ready the real defenses for Revan so he sent his men to slow them down. If malak was truly shitting his pants at the thought of revan coming to kill him than he would have escaped the star forge rather than face him. The duel and the battle outside the star forge was described as being epic. I will also address the final sentence of how powerful the star forge made malak below.

I never stated that Malak was fearful of Revan while on the Star Forge. No Malak was sure that he could defeat Revan. I was referring to a Malak that was not Star Forge empowered.

Elite Hunter: Now here is where things get interesting because on the star forge Malak says that Darth Revan (the incarnation you specified for this duel) is weaker than the lightside Revan that killed him(Malak) on the star forge while he (Malak) was empowered by it. So that raises the question of how powerful Darth Revan would actually be. Because we know that Darth Revan didn't use/know( according to Malak) the secrets of the star forge. And the only "secrets" of the star forge that could help Darth Revan vs Exar Kun is It also raises the question to me-Is Darth Revan still more powerful than kotor(SF) Malak who would probably become stronger once he was the DLOTS and if Darth Revan really is stronger than Darth Malak than by how much?

Those are questions to raise, but we also know that Malak did not know everything that Revan did or knew. We also know that Revan did not want to use the Star Forge is the way that Malak did. It was not his purpose for using it. This does not mean that Revan did not know how to use it in the way the Malak did.

However that is not the nature of this topic. This topic suggests that Revan does have the knowledge and uses it in the same manner as Malak. Everything else you stated below are good questions that we long to see answered in Kotor 3.

Elite Hunter: So what is a star forge empowered Darth Revan? Well based on what I have provided he seems to be a dark side being with a DS boost from the star forge and with the possible knowledge of the secrets demonstrated by Malak that Kun could either A) possibly destroy or B) replicate.(aka drain captives)

Lastly before entering the Star Forge when Malak and Revan were together, Malak fear Revan and would not engage him in a one on one duel. We can speculate that the power level was a comparison of Vadar and Sidious, meaning Malak being 80% of Revan. A Star Forge empowered Malak was not fearful of Revan and as you stated gave an even more powerful Revan a hard time. Putting this together we see that the Star Forge did a lot for Malak.

Since we are saying that Revan uses the Star Forge in the same way, could Exar Kun stand a chance? Even if Exar Kun could use the Star Forge in the same way Revan knows the area much better which will be to his advantage. I still say Revan due to home court advantage.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Again, there is absolutely no way to gauge Revan's power in this scenario. Can't be done. We don't know how long it took for him to defeat Malak, we don't know if Exar can tap into the Forge's inherent darkness. We just don't know anything about this, can't be answered.

A quote from a comment made by me:
Lastly before entering the Star Forge when Malak and Revan were together, Malak fear Revan and would not engage him in a one on one duel. We can speculate that the power level was a comparison of Vadar and Sidious, meaning Malak being 80% of Revan. A Star Forge empowered Malak was not fearful of Revan and as you stated gave an even more powerful Revan a hard time. Putting this together we see that the Star Forge did a lot for Malak.

So we can speculate that there is a sufficient boost given. How much? Well how much would be needed for Revan to surpass Exar Kun, since they are almost equal.

Originally posted by Kotor3
A quote from a comment made by me:
Lastly before entering the Star Forge when Malak and Revan were together, Malak fear Revan and would not engage him in a one on one duel. We can speculate that the power level was a comparison of Vadar and Sidious, meaning Malak being 80% of Revan. A Star Forge empowered Malak was not fearful of Revan and as you stated gave an even more powerful Revan a hard time. Putting this together we see that the Star Forge did a lot for Malak.

So we can speculate that there is a sufficient boost given. How much? Well how much would be needed for Revan to surpass Exar Kun, since they are almost equal.

Again, we can't conclude this fight fairly as Revan's power is already at unknown level, and we have absolutely no idea what the Star Forge's presence in this would do either him or Kun. This can't be done.

In the end Tangible God is absolutely right. There is no way to accurately judge this fight for a few reasons. I will start out the most obvious one thats always comes up, we don't know that much of Revan's lightsaber skills or how it would compare to Kun's. Darth Revan's (pre-kotor 1)strength can't be accurately measured or compared to Kun's because we have no knowledge of him facing another powerful force user to the death. 2)It is unclear how much of the secrets of the star forge Revan knew because he wanted to distance himself from it because he knew something about it and how it affect the inifinite empire but that by no means equates to him knowing the star forge capabilities that Malak and Bastilla exploited. That said I will address a few of points from your last post kotor3.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I never stated that Bastilla could. My point is the Jedi would not allow there most useful tool to board Revan ship without knowing she would be a validate asset in force and combat skills. To do so would be utterly stupid as they would be sending her to her death. She did not have to board the ship. As they say pictures can say a thousand words well so do cut scenes. Bastilla is shown in the forefront fighting and directly says to Revan “you cannot win”. Point: This shows us the she was a very skilled Jedi.

I never stated that Malak was fearful of Revan while on the Star Forge. No Malak was sure that he could defeat Revan. I was referring to a Malak that was not Star Forge empowered.

The first conflict that Revan had with Revan on the Leviathan he didn't back down. And if you are referring to Malak's betrayal than I would like you read a quote from Darth Sion."Malak had strength, and embraced it, saw his opportunity and took it." Furthermore on the Leviathan Malak said that he(malak) acted and betrayed Revan before Revan suspected him to do so. When it comes right down to it, it is Revan's fault that Malak got away with betraying him and that he(Revan) didn't suspect a thing.

However that is not the nature of this topic. This topic suggests that Revan does have the knowledge and uses it in the same manner as Malak.

Lastly before entering the Star Forge when Malak and Revan were together, Malak fear Revan and would not engage him in a one on one duel.

If you are referring to him going back onto the viewing platform after talking to Revan and sending the SF droids to kill him(the scene right before their duel) than you are also incorrect. It was a smart move by Malak to let the droids try to kill him. At this point Malak is the most powerful person in the galaxy due to his control of the sith empire and the star forge. It would be foolish for him to jump into a battle without exploiting all the defenses possible. After all Malak
was on the verge of taking over the galaxy and all the power he gained over the years would be lost by jumping prematurely into a duel sort of similar to the situation between Sidious and Yoda in ROTS.