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Originally posted by ~A.C.S~
I'd say simple logical deductions are enough to put Revan on the level of Kun in terms of the force and force power:
First off sorry I thought you were Nebaris. 😮
- Having the most complete knowledge of the Dark Side of the force that is second only too Palpatine that we know of
- Had the most advanced, highly developed form of Battle Precognition that allowed him to see the outcome of battles months into the future. (Anther thing that puts him above Darth Cadick whose only precognition failed him and lured him into the clutches of Lumiya)
- His force mastery that surpasses Caedus whom himself surpassed Vader in terms of force power, who is you know 80% of Darth f*cking Sidious
Him ripping through the Star Forges defense that were called a match for any Jedi, then beating Bastilla multiple times while she was being constantly revived and amped up by the Star Forge, THEN proceeding to beat Malak at least 2 times in a row while he was empowered by the Star Forge and revived by the life force of dead Jedi.He slaughters the Sith Academy by himself (showed in KOTOR1, confirmed by Kreia in KOTOR 2)
- Revan using force storms to slaughter Rataka scouting parties on Lehon
Revan has FAR, FAR more combat experience then Exar, being as though he championed a war between pretty much the most deadly non-force using warriors in the galaxy, defeating their leader in hand to hand combat also notes of his physical and combat skills.
then follows a war with Mandalorians by a war with the Jedi, and we know he massacred the Sith Academy by himself as well as tore through the Star Forge fighting droids able to kill Jedi Knights, Dark Jedi, beat Bastila being amped by the SF 4 times and Malak being amped by Jedi Life-force at least twice, all this with no rest as there was a fleet battle going on outside that Bastila was affecting so he had to get to her with haste. Its apparent that he has the combat experience on Kun off the bat.
I think if Starkiller is any precedent then Vaders knowledge of the force is considerable. Considering he raised and taught such a tank of a force user.
I didn't bother quoting everything you said about his power becaue they all point out the obvious that he is really powerful in the force.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
First off sorry I thought you were Nebaris. 😮That may very well be true but as we know knowledge doesn't equal power necessarily. Plus we have no way of knowing all the techniques that Darth Revan had that he can use in combat and how much of his knowledge were rituals.
I'm failry certain that Caedus shows battle precog. after he agrees to become her apprentice but it is doesn't matter much because Kun hasn't shown the ability to my knowledge. But I could eaisly say that Revan's battle precog failed him when Malak betrayed him.
In some regards such as Sith knowledge then yes he may very well surpass Caedus but to be fair Caedus has shown some pretty impressive powers that Revan hasn't from neither the jedi or the sith such as flow walking and the night sister blood trail.
Erm,you do realize that this Darth Revan before he lost his memories so neither of these has happened yet/
It is pretty impressive but they don't have a defense for it.
Is there any proof any that he fought in the front lines other then his fight with Mandalore becaue all we know is that Revan pwned the mandos with his strategie and beat their leader 1v1.
Kotor3 said this was Revan before he lot his memories so this hasn't happened should this be PostKotor Revan then I would probably agree with you that he would win this fight but with this being Darth Revan who is an even bigger mystery do the lack of knowledge on him I don't see how we can give a hundred percent answer as to who would win because of the lack exact knowledge of Revan's saber skills(style and how he won his 1v1 fights) and combat related force powers other then battle precog,force choke and force storm.
We know that he will be powerful in the force but I think we should wait for the novel to come out before we make our final judgement of his power and how it reflects on Vader.
I didn't bother quoting everything you said about his power becaue they all point out the obvious that he is really powerful in the force.
Elite: That may very well be true but as we know knowledge doesn't equal power necessarily. Plus we have no way of knowing all the techniques that Darth Revan had that he can use in combat and how much of his knowledge were rituals.
Kotor3: The ones that were mention by Styles can be used in this discussion and is enough for us to make an argument for Darth Revan. True statement about knowledge, but the knowledge we are talking about is knowledge with understanding which is what makes Revan dangerous and of course would make him more powerful.
Elite: I'm failry certain that Caedus shows battle precog. after he agrees to become her apprentice but it is doesn't matter much because Kun hasn't shown the ability to my knowledge. But I could eaisly say that Revan's battle precog failed him when Malak betrayed him.
Kotor3: There will be no distractions for Revan in this one on one duel. He will be fully focused on Exar Kun.
Elite: It is pretty impressive but they don't have a defense for it.
Kotor3: Nonetheless it is an impressive feat.
Elite: Is there any proof any that he fought in the front lines other then his fight with Mandalore becaue all we know is that Revan pwned the mandos with his strategie and beat their leader 1v1.
Kotor3: We all know that Revan did not start off as a general in the Mandalorian war. Also he went against the Jedi council wishes to not participate in the war. No special privileges for Revan. Instead he gained prestige as the war went on for his skills and tactics. This would mean that Revan had to first be involved in front line combat before being elevated to the status he gained.
Originally posted by Kotor3
Kotor3: The ones that were mention by Styles can be used in this discussion and is enough for us to make an argument for Darth Revan. True statement about knowledge, but the knowledge we are talking about is knowledge with understanding which is what makes Revan dangerous and of course would make him more powerful.
Kotor3: There will be no distractions for Revan in this one on one duel. He will be fully focused on Exar Kun.
Erm, you missed my point that precog, isn't infallible.
Kotor3: Nonetheless it is an impressive feat.
Kotor3: We all know that Revan did not start off as a general in the Mandalorian war. Also he went against the Jedi council wishes to not participate in the war. No special privileges for Revan. Instead he gained prestige as the war went on for his skills and tactics. This would mean that Revan had to first be involved in front line combat before being elevated to the status he gained.
I need to go so I'll get back to your response later tonight.
Elite: [B]Your stating the obvious but missing the point which I said earlier, yes has a broad knowledge in the force but as others here have argued that it could very well be rituals which are not relevant in 1v1 situations. Yes Revan probably has a broader knowledge in the force then Kun has demonstrated more offensive techniques then Darth Revan. So it is a hard call to make.
Kotor3: Ok I’m not going to get into ritual argument there is a lot of nip picking going on these threads. I can agree that we do not know if Revan had more offensive techniques.
Elite: Erm, you missed my point that precog, isn't infallible.
Kotor3: No one missed the point Elite, you are nip picking and your reasoning on this is wrong. We all know that precog is not infallible we have more than enough examples. However these examples involved distractions that occurred that made the technique infallible at that moment.
At the same time we have the example of Revan who defeated in personal combat a duel the Greatest Echani who can predict battles months in the future, the determining factor, Revan’s BP ability which surpassed the Greatest Echani. So we have evidence that in a one on one battle it can be quite effective and dangerous.
Elite: It's impressive but it is nothing that others couldn't do or have done on a better scale but the difference is Kun stands a much better chance of blocking it or dodging it all together then primitive non-forcesentive rakatan.
Kotor3: Point is it is something he can use against Kun.
Eltie: I would like a quote that says that Revan started on the front lines.
Kotor3: I cannot find a quote and I’m pretty sure like me you did not expect there to be one. Even if Revan did not start on the front lines he had to have much combat experience.
However here are two quotes to show that Revan did not just advised and would have had an active share if fighting:
"When the Mandalorian threat first arose, Revan and Malak were eager to defeat the enemy of the Republic. But the council thought it best if we moved with care and caution. The true threat, the council feared, had not yet revealed itself. But Revan would not be dissuaded. Charismatic and powerful, it was inevitable many of the Order would flock to Revan's seemingly noble cause. Malak was the first to join his closest friend. Others followed, many of our youngest and brightest, intent on saving the galaxy from the Mandalorian threat."
―Zhar Lestin[src]
"You, Revan, are the single greatest warrior of this age, and any battle we fight will bring me honor."
―Canderous Ordo[src]
Revan was viewed as a warrior. People like Malak would not follow someone who was just an adviser. Nothing suggests that Revan had the respect of the republic before joining the war. Which leaves to reason why would he start off as a general or adviser. Revan noticeable feats came from the Mandalorian war. It was there that he really received recognition from the Republic.
Revan was a highly skilled warrior. He defeated a number of high profile and skilled fighters in his lifetime, including the former Echani general and senator Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate, and Darth Malak who was counted among the skilled swordsmen of the era. Perhaps one of his more impressive feats was his single-handed slaying of a pair of terentatek in the depths of Naga Sadow's tomb.[4]
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