Originally posted by Terryc250
Yes it is, in the [b]videogame storyline of DoC (which happens a year after AC) Sephiroth did acquire NL, and the geostigma disease did happen, etc, so if we go by the videogame storyline, all of Sephiroth feats still stand, movie or no movie. [/B]
And, regardless of how canon it actually is, the forum moderator has stated that it is not considered to be canon on this forum, even if it actually is, unless the thread starter stated in his opening post that it is.
We certainly can since the forum rules ultimately state what is canon and what is not.
Bungie has declared that the Halo novels are officially apart of canon Halo continuity, but they're deemed non-canon this site unless the thread starter states in his opening post that the events in the novels can be used.
"For the purposes of this forum, only feats seen in the actual video games are considered canon. Any other sources (movies, comics, novels, etc) are considered non-canon here."
To me this doesn't make sense. Any feat officially stated by the developers to be "canon" should count, especially in a debate forum. It should be up to the companies themselves to decide what is official and what is not.
It's a useless and unproductive rule, if you think about the scenario; if someone, say, creates a Master Chief or one of the Warcraft characters vs some other character, ANY argument of mine referring to a novel canonically accepted by the company (Bungie Studios or Blizzard Entertainment, respectively) can be refuted by someone else by saying: "Nope, it's a book, not acceptable by the KMC forum rules" even though the company themselves state it as such.
But it makes my argument so much easier... 🙁
And I think that rule was created back in the day when a lot of people were questioning how the Halo novels fit into continuity.
We weren't as enlightened, way back when.
I think that, if people have a problem with it, they should take it up with Lana, specifically in the rules thread. If enough people talk about it she might change the rule.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I hate how people think everyone is facistcrusador.Hate it? My boy, I am everyone. Everyone on the side of truth, that is. I'm simply here to explain to the darkstalkers fanboys that a little energy monster who got beat up by a breakfast cereal mascot is simply far too weak to even hope to beat Sephiroth.
That's funny. I was about to call you fanboy, since you have given us nothing concreete to why Sephiroth would beat Pyron. Only numbers (That you've made up) and quotes.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
facistcrusador Tantrum here.Hate it? My boy, I am everyone. Everyone on the side of failure, that is. I'm simply here to explain to the darkstalkers debators that a near star sized energy being that can disintigrate worlds and has eaten whole galaxies before which is a higher feat than the entire FF universe combined who got defeated by a magic using being who has similiar feats such as surviving dimentional blasts from the literal Makai God is simply far too weak to even hope to beat shemale Sephiroth with his uburs sword skillz and powerfuls willpower.
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Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Course they are, xcept for the ones that took place during AC. 131
No you're not understanding, AC is different from other movie spinoffs, here ill break it down for you
Lets say we're trying to debate whether Sephiroth gained control of the NL(which happened in AC)
GameA: Sephiroth dies
Movie: (2 years later): Sephiroth gains control over NL
GameB: (3 years later): The game states Sephiroth gained control over the NL a year ago.
So even if we ignore the movie, and it didn't exist, going by the game, Sephiroth still has his feats.
is a higher feat than the entire FF universe
Originally posted by Terryc250
Higher then Ultimecia compressing all space, time, and reality? Or Exdeath opening up dimensions with the void and was on the verge of erasing al of existence?
When did she actualyl do it? from what I heard she was defeated before she could even do it, also compressing space, time and reality could not mean a lot depending on the reality, and time and space of the game in question, so it depends on whos Space, time and reality.
On the verge? yet he was defeated by some kids from the video i saw who have weak weapons like medeval canons, isnt Exdeath the ridiculous giant tree thing?
Pyron would still eliminate both with ease due to his speed and the fact they never gain their full power and defeat all their opposition
Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
But it makes my argument so much easier... 🙁And I think that rule was created back in the day when a lot of people were questioning how the Halo novels fit into continuity.
We weren't as enlightened, way back when.
I think that, if people have a problem with it, they should take it up with Lana, specifically in the rules thread. If enough people talk about it she might change the rule.
Halo is probably the best example of why this rule should NOT be in place. Most of the abilities and feats performed by the Master Chief are in the novels, fully endorsed by Bungie. It severely cripples anyone trying to bring things he did in the books such as surviving an antitank missile and running 500m in 12s with a torn Achilles tendon.
If you ask me Street Fighter is the best example of why this rule should be in place. A lot of the "plot devices", while endorsed by Capcom, are officially non-canon (Udon comics, the anime, the movie). The thing is, most people who get into a debate involving a Street Fighter character know this anyway so it would be easily refuted. However, some of the references (while not IN the games) are perfectly viable too as canon materia, such as interview transcripts and the well-known Tiamat Street Fighter Plot Guide.
It severely hampers debaters who are trying to use an "official" feat, yet the rule limits them because it's not from in-game. It shouldn't be up to anyone but the companies themselves to decide official material that can be used as materia in discussion. It's a useless rule, what's the point debating for a character if I can't even use all his officially stated capabilities and feats as argument?
And if you think about it, it doesn't even defeat the purpose of this forum either, simply because a character originated from a video game doesn't mean that the arguments have to come from strictly the games themselves. Someone mentioned FF7:AC and that's a great example; Square Enix stated it as canon yet technically we aren't allowed to use it because - oops, it's a movie! Despite that, you see it being brought up left and right, both Sado and I made numerous references to it in the Gouki vs. Cloud thread anyways.
Completely boggles my mind as to why on Earth this rule was tacked up in the first place.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Higher then Ultimecia compressing all space, time, and reality? Or Exdeath opening up dimensions with the void and was on the verge of erasing al of existence?
Ultimecia was defeated by Squall and the others before she could succeed. And Exdeath was consumed by the Void and became Neo Exdeath but was again defeated before he could succeed in reducing everything back to nothing.
Only FF villain I can think of that actually succeeds in his goals are Kefka in becoming a living god and conquering the entire planet and forcing everyone to worship him and becoming the living embodiment of magik.
Originally posted by Burning thought
When did she actualyl do it? from what I heard she was defeated before she could even do it, also compressing space, time and reality could not mean a lot depending on the reality, and time and space of the game in question, so it depends on whos Space, time and reality.On the verge? yet he was defeated by some kids from the video i saw who have weak weapons like medeval canons, isnt Exdeath the ridiculous giant tree thing?
Pyron would still eliminate both with ease due to his speed and the fact they never gain their full power and defeat all their opposition
Actually she did do it, Time-Compressed Ultimecicia is Ultimecia after she time compressed, and it was the "power of friendship" (which is the biggest PIS in history of gaming IMO) which is why Ultimecia was defeated
Compressing space,time,reality means she controls just that.
No offense but having the Halo books and AC movie as not part of the forums debates is dumb. I mean of course when these have been confirmed as canon to the storyline, but whatever.
Ultimecia does succeed in kompressing time. She inherited all the sorceress's powers and was only defeated by biggest piece of BS in VGs.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Actually she did do it, Time-Compressed Ultimecicia is Ultimecia after she time compressed, and it was the "power of friendship" (which is the biggest PIS in history of gaming IMO) which is why Ultimecia was defeatedCompressing space,time,reality means she controls just that.
No it doesnt, it simply means shes able to A: do it to her own reality, time and perception, thus meaning it hyperbole if you think she could do the same to every reality/dimension that are diffrent to the pathetic FF verse, for example the DS verse and second compressing it simpy means pushing something into a smaller space than it should be in, that doesnt mean she controls it or can do what she wants.
Either way, PIS or not, she was defeated by something pathetic, you need to start taking the bad things some come with a ridiculous universe such as the power of friendship doing something, as well as the things that back you up, like Sephiroths powerful willpower that is also ridiculous, but I dont see you calling Sephiroths willpower BS when it suits you.