I don't know why everybody thinks nihilus super attack is a simple force drain, if its a mere force drain then why does kreia call it the greatest of the sith teachings?
I said time and again that what he does(according to his former master kreia) is that he breaks the force bond between his victim and the force which kills them instantly and then feeds on the death he has caused.
The exile too had the ability to feed on the death she has caused but she didn't know it.(I think it was the jedi masters kreia killed that said this)
I had a question mark next to Freedon Nadd, 'cause I couldn't recall exactly. If it was Aleema Keto, okays then...
Also, you can't really tell how the nova is created in the TOTJ comics, but if the sourcebook says so, then I'll defer to that. That's just moving Nihilus' feats up one on my list.
I was under the impression that Treia was the one with Force Sever, and Nihilus with Force Drain. If you're right, though, that's cool, too. Just replace every 'Force Drain' in my argument with 'Force Sever' and the argument still holds. Kind of like if I was to say Sidious is awesome because he destroyed an entire fleet with his Force Crush ability. It'd be wrong because it was Force Storm...but the badassness factor still holds, and the statement doesn't change much. 😛
As long as Sidious doesn't have any Force Sever feats greater or equal to wiping out and entire planet of Force-Sensitives and congregated Jedi, Nihilus' Force Sever ability > Sidious' Force Sever ability. 😉
MoC, you said that Mace has to know of Nihilus because he's number 2 in the order, right? Well then why don't you prove that he knows of him? You're assuming that Mace knows of him, the same you way you're saying that Advent can't assume he doesn't. How does that work?
And why didn't the number 2 or even number 1 know anything about any Sith for 1000 years? Sidious, Dooku (until he revealed himself), Maul, Plageus (spelling?) and so on and so forth. Surely someone strong enough in the force to be able to stop death would make a ripple in the proverbial force pool.
Mace was number 2 in the Order because of his strength and knowledge of the force. That's why he stood out. Nothing that I've read points to Mace being an historian and gaining all knowledge of every Jedi and Sith in the history of both.
Also, as far as GL reading and watching everything Star Wars related, watch his interview with Seth McFarland when he doesn't know what music goes to which part (as most of us would know), and also the part where he says that he doesn't watch his creations that much. He has "people who handle" those things, and he loosely "oversees." L. Chee is one of those "people," and if he deems something canon or non-canon, or a blatent exaggeration of "character's possible abilities," then that's the way it is unless the big guy specifically says otherwise.
Advent, is Nihilus' ship feat something you would put beyond the capabilities of RoTS Sidious?
Originally posted by EnyalusJust remember that nihilus "force sever" is unlike that of an ordinary one and he was gifted with this ability the same way battle meditation was gifted to bastila.
As long as Sidious doesn't have any Force Sever feats greater or equal to wiping out and entire planet of Force-Sensitives and congregated Jedi, Nihilus' Force Sever ability > Sidious' Force Sever ability. 😉
The true nature and concept of nihilus "super sever technique" is still very hard for many of us to fully understand because kotor2 sometimes can be abit vague.
Don't forget that nihilus can't simply drop down any top tier force sensitive that easily as some like to believe(people like DE sidious or luke at his peak) because there are actually defences to this technique and the stronger your opponrnt(especially if he is stronger than you), the stronger his defences are.
Back on topic.
While mace for sure defeats nihilus in a saber duel, he has little chance in a force fight and possibly an all out fight.
However i doubt it will be "ownage" on mace in a force fight considering he is a powerful force user but would still lose. In an all out, nihilus can beat mace if he uses the force but if mace manages to get close and cross sabers then the tide turns.
Yeah, it's a darker variant on the Jedi Force Sever ability...meaning that, potentially, the ordinary defenses used to stop a Force Sever technique won't work with Nihilus' version. Now that would be pure speculation, but it seems reasonable. If you've never seen a particular ability, or if it's a familiar ability with a twist, it stands to reason you'd have trouble countering.
As big of a Nihilus fanboy I must sound like, I'd never argue that Nihilus would be able to beat DE Sidious or NJO Luke on his own. 😉
Advent, is Nihilus' ship feat something you would put beyond the capabilities of RoTS Sidious?
I know this was directed at Advent, but my opinion on it would be that no, he could not. ROTS Sidious' most impressive TK feat was throwing the Senate pods at Yoda, wasn't it?
In the movie, it looks to me like the first pod he attempts to pick up, he initially struggles with. His facial expression changes into a grimace, if I recall correctly. Also, he starts spinning the pods he throws at Yoda. The only explanation I can come up with for that is because a spinning object will have more kinetic force than a regularly pushed object. I'm of the opinion that on his own, Sidious couldn't throw the pods at Yoda quickly enough using pure TK, and had to spin them sideways to generate more torque/speed/damage.
Even if my interpretation is wrong, I can't see him lifting a 1,200 meter long capital ship. And not from a gravity well. Geez. 😐
Actually Yoda stopped the one and had to start spinning it be fore throwing it. Sidious was laughing the whole time and lifting new ones as he was casually throwing other ones. Yoda was like closing his eyes and really focusing on that ONE pod.
And remember, just cause that's all we see him do doesn't mean that's all he can do.
Originally posted by EnyalusThere are two defences actually, the fallanasi technique and the sith spell that zannah has.
Yeah, it's a darker variant on the Jedi Force Sever ability...meaning that, potentially, the ordinary defenses used to stop a Force Sever technique won't work with Nihilus' version. Now [b]that would be pure speculation, but it seems reasonable. If you've never seen a particular ability, or if it's a familiar ability with a twist, it stands to reason you'd have trouble countering.[/B]
Both those techniques mask your force sensitivity making it appear as you are dead to the force and in this case which nihilus sees through the force, the user would simply appear invisible to him, you can't touch what you can't see(the cloaked force bond).
Now, i'd like to joke and if you can, join me.
Replace a word in a Star Wars quote with the word *penis*.
I'll go first.
Yoda: (to sidious) At an end your penis is, and not short enough it was.
yoda: yes, a jedi's Penis flows with the force...but beware of the dark side
Yoda: I cannot train him. The boy has no penis.
Luke: I can't... it's too big.
Yoda: Size matters not. Look at me judge me by my penis do you?
ANH
Obi-Wan: I have something here for you. Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it. He feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade like your father did.
Luke: What is it?
Obi-Wan: Your father's penis
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Actually Yoda stopped the one and had to start spinning it be fore throwing it.
Oh, my God. You're right. And I need to go to bed or grab some coffee or something if I'm mixing up stuff like that (I'm dyslexic, but can check it when alert). Bleh. I've got no clue. I'll bow to Advent's opinion on that one.
Schwarzenegger: 😛 That's sooo wrong. But, what the hell, I'll play along.
ANH:
Obi-Wan: This little one's not worth the effort. Now come, let me get you something.
Bartender: No penises! No penises!
Darth Vader: A tremor in the penis. The last time I felt it was in the presence of my old master.
Governor Tarkin: Surely he must be dead by now.
Darth Vader: Don't underestimate the penis.
Okay, all done. lol
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
MoC, you said that Mace has to know of Nihilus because he's number 2 in the order, right? Well then why don't you prove that he knows of him? You're assuming that Mace knows of him, the same you way you're saying that Advent can't assume he doesn't. How does that work?And why didn't the number 2 or even number 1 know anything about any Sith for 1000 years? Sidious, Dooku (until he revealed himself), Maul, Plageus (spelling?) and so on and so forth. Surely someone strong enough in the force to be able to stop death would make a ripple in the proverbial force pool.
Mace was number 2 in the Order because of his strength and knowledge of the force. That's why he stood out. Nothing that I've read points to Mace being an historian and gaining all knowledge of every Jedi and Sith in the history of both.
Also, as far as GL reading and watching everything Star Wars related, watch his interview with Seth McFarland when he doesn't know what music goes to which part (as most of us would know), and also the part where he says that he doesn't watch his creations that much. He has "people who handle" those things, and he loosely "oversees." L. Chee is one of those "people," and if he deems something canon or non-canon, or a blatent exaggeration of "character's possible abilities," then that's the way it is unless the big guy specifically says otherwise.
Advent, is Nihilus' ship feat something you would put beyond the capabilities of RoTS Sidious?
dont mischaracterize my point i say the you CANNOT assume he is ignorant.
Originally posted by Enyaluslol ok, hmm my turn again.
Oh, my God. You're right. And I need to go to bed or grab some coffee or something if I'm mixing up stuff like that (I'm dyslexic, but can check it when alert). Bleh. I've got no clue. I'll bow to Advent's opinion on that one.Schwarzenegger: 😛 That's sooo wrong. But, what the hell, I'll play along.
ANH:
Obi-Wan: This little one's not worth the effort. Now come, let me get you something.
Bartender: No penises! No penises!Darth Vader: A tremor in the penis. The last time I felt it was in the presence of my old master.
Governor Tarkin: Surely he must be dead by now.
Darth Vader: Don't underestimate the penis.Okay, all done. lol
Anakin to sidious : is it possible to learn this power?
Sidious to anakin not from a penis.
Sideous: There are many "enhancing" abilities that some would consider to be... unnatural.
Anakin: Is it possible to learn this power?
Sideous: Ask your Doctor, and ask about possible side-effects!
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Sideous: I can feeeeeeel your arasoul. Gives you focus. makes you longer!
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Darth Sidious: [ignites his lightsaber] You will not stop me! My Penis will become larger than either of us!
Yoda: Faith in your Penis, misplaced may be. As is your faith in male enhanement.
I cheated.
Originally posted by Man of ChristI understand, but likewise you cannot assume that he knows him.
dont mischaracterize my point i say the you CANNOT assume he is ignorant.
Kadesh:
Palpatine to Luke: You want this, don't you? The Penis is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi Penis. Use it! I am unarmed. Strike me down with it! Give in to your anger! With each passing moment, you make yourself more my slave!
Lando Calrissian: That Penis came from the Death Star.
Darth Vader: Luke, help me take this Penis off.
Luke Skywalker: But you'll die!
Darth Vader: Nothing can stop that now. Just for once, let me look on you with my own Penis.