Originally posted by Taven
[B]Where exactly is that stated? We know that he was "believed" (which begs the question, by whom?) to have mastered nearly all known powers, forgotten ones, and created new ones at his leisure, and we know he studied (studied, not mastered) the Force in all its guises, but where is it explicitly stated that he mastered absolutely all of the knowledge that he possessed?
Palpatine's vast, vast knowledge of the Dark Side has been substantiated and supported not only by the Dark Empire sourcebook, but by Jedi vs. Sith as well. And the complete Visual Guide as well.
I'll just cite Heritage of the Sith again where it calls Palpatine the 'culmination of Sith power and tradition,' as well as that he succeeded where all other Dark Lords had failed in taming the Dark Side and Jedi vs. Sith as well.
It is believed-as in, by history, the galaxy and the narrator- that he has mastered all known and re-existing techniques and develops new ones at his leisure...seems they have a basis for they Nebby-boy. And frankly, it's far more logical than your minimalist attempts
As for your "assessment," it's really not anywhere near as clear cut as you'd like to think.
Translation: OMGOMGOMGOMGBANEBANEBANEBANESIDIOUSSUCKSOMG!
We've heard this song before.
Firstly, knowledge =/= mastery.
It's a good thing Palpatine's mastery is often defined. To 'tame' the Dark Side to your will, one often needs to master it.
It's your knowledge of the Force, and your control over it that defines your mastery over it.
See above
His studies in and knowledge of the Force, as I've almost always acknowledged, is certainly more encompassing than that of anyone else in the mythos, but his control of the Force hasn't shown to even come close to some of the other characters in the mythos.
And considering he, alone in that all other Dark Lords failed, has tamed the Dark Side...it implies substantial mastery
Darth Bane for one, displayed the ability to fill up a room capable of housing hundreds of students with a storm of force lightning with a single burst of energy, all while still a Sith initiate, and not an hour after having learnt the technique in the first place (a display of mastery with the technique that rivals Palpatine's best showing after decades of growth and refinement with it).
Palpatine's 'best showing' with lightning killed well over a hundred people instantly-in a controlled display- with no apparent effort or anything resembling exertion.
As we are all well aware, Bane's learning potential is great as befits such a terrible Gary Stu, blah blah blah.
Unless you can show me the exact moment when Palpatine learned force lightning and that his was weaker than Bane? Shut up.
He's shown himself capable of energy absorption throughout all part of his body rather than just his hands (such as his face and back), the ability to store it for long durations of time and protect his internal organs from it, and the ability to redirect it across an entire planet (which would require that he be able to sense out the landscape across the planet with the Force in the first place).
As I suspected, a thinly disguised Bane humping post.
Considering Nejja Halcyon is able to doing the same thing-when he's already been run through the chest- I'm somewhat less than impressed.
His telepathic resistance is of such a high level that Kaan's manipulations -- which were capable of keeping the entire BoD under control, which included multiple notably powerful Sith Lords such as Kas'im, Quordis, Kopekz, and Seviss Vaa -- "had no more effect than a rusted knife scraping against the hide plates of a Halurian ice-boar."
Dishonesty.
Mind tricks have seldom been shown to work on Force Users. PERIOD. Nothing indicates Kaan has used a mind trick to any potency on his fellow members of the Brotherhood. Oftentimes, he appealed to their vanity and anger, something not even requiring the Force. It might've helped a bit when Kopecz was openly insubordinate. the only instance when Kaan made a simple nudge to make Kas'im a little angrier. This isn't a mind trick, it's fanning the flames and it's incredibly basic stuff as even Johun Othone was able to use it
Frankly, it would've nullified the very need to surrender his power in the first place.
Anakin's ability to manipulate Durge's mind-when Gen'Dai are supposed to be uniformly immune to mind tricks- when powerful Jedi had failed to do anything but make him laugh out loud is far more impressive a control than any Kaan has ever shown.
He was capable of resisting one of the deadliest poisons in the Galaxy (something that the dark side is explicitly stated to not be very effective at), and this after having been unaware that it was in his body for most of the time until it began to maximise on its deadly effect.
The Force is often used to hold and nullify poisons. Luke Skywalker, just days after The Second Death Star was also able to hold back one of the deadliest poisons at bay.
And nullify it completely in his system.
And according to Bane: Poison shouldn't be able to harm a Dark Lord, yet it nearly killed me.
Why? "The Dark Side is spread too thin,"
When faced with eight Sith Umbaraan Assassins who had trained their entire lives to use the Force to shield themselves in it, he showed himself capable of completely revealing there presences with a single wave of intangible dark side energy.
You mean a SITH LORD was able to sense Umbaran Shadow Assassins, people who pale in comparison to Jedi and Sith?
Nevermind how Bane only survived thanks to his special shirt of +5 author's darling nonsense.
This is more impressive than Traya's killing the Sith assassins how?
His mastery as a seer is so great that he can see "far into the future," and he can apparently do this at will whereas all other seers in the mythos have only ever had visions come to them in situations beyond their control.
Let's have this shown to us now. Again...Traya. And Palpatine, too. Both were able to see 'far into the future.'
Problem? The future is always in motion. You can only see possible events and manipulate them.
Hell, MERILI could see into the future with more potency than Bane
And most notable, of course, is his telekinesis, which had shown itself capable of absolutely crushing the likes of the highly ranked and powerful Quordis, breaking through his defences "as if they weren't there,"
Qordis's feats and power, please.
the ability to affect vast areas of landscape with simply force pushes, and eight years into his career, five years before his current state at the end of Ro2, the ability to use it on the subatomic level, a level of control that's completely unprecedented and surpasses that of any other by about ten miles.[/Quote[
Quantify this one. Cite it, too. Luke, in the Hambly novels is able to use it to such a degree on Tsilis to speak to the crystals. And Sith alchemy kind of, you know, FOCUSES on using the Force on a subatomic level to take something and get something else.
And affect vast areas of landscape. Like Yoda, Luke and Palpatine do?
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His mastery has certainly shown itself to be greater and wider encompassing than Palpatine's (he's displayed mastery in energy channelling, Force defence, telepathic resistance, Force sensing, precognition, telekinesis, Force lightning, resisting poisons; and the ability to use the Force on the subatomic scale, and channel it across entire planets) and if you want to get back to Force knowledge, which is only half of the puzzle anyway (if that), he possesses all of Revan's knowledge via his holocron (which surpassed all of the teachings in the Korriban archives, and possessed both knowledge in the dark side and light side), and had soon learnt all of it (as directly stated), as well as that of Freedon Nadd, which contained all of Sadow's knowledge, with which he had even longer time to learn from. While he's had far less time to learn from such knowledge than Palpatine has, his improvement rate has shown itself to be astronomically greater than that of anyone else, as demonstrated with his early lightning display, as well as with the above mentioned time it took him to learn the entirety of Revan's holocron.
Oh, please, grow up. Palpatine has not only demonstrated almost all of those, but his knowledge base is far greater anyways. He has Bane's knowledge from his Holocron, Andeddu's, Nihilus's, the Telos Holocron, Adas's Holocron, Sadow's knowledge, has direct access to the living spirits of the Long dead Sith Lords whom he learned 'forgotten secrets' from,, as well as numerous other Sith Holocrons looted from the Jedi Temple, Jedi holocrons whose secrets he 'plundered,' and he was the only one born in over a thousand years with the power to restore the Sith as well as being the 'Culmination of thousands of years of Sith Power and Tradition' according to Heritage of the Sith,
Never mind that he has been directly stated to have fully mastered and tamed the Dark Side, but Bane's entire Order's philosophy fully focused on finding apprentices whose potential could exceed your own. In essence? Growing stronger. Rising in power until one would return them to glory.
Guess what, Nebaris, you've got two options:
Either that succeeded and after Bane's Death, they grew more and more powerful to the culmination in Palpatine who would have chosen Anakin
Orrrr....Bane was a miserable failure whose Order's vaunted power lasted not at all to the point where he failed in every conceivable way.
Either way, you're eating your words.