Originally posted by Jbill311
All I know about the Ancient Sith comes from KotOR. I would like to know, however, what prompted Kreia's statement about their lightsaber powers. Were they actually more powerful, or did they just spawn a lot of rumors about how good they were?From what I've read here on KMC the general idea seems to be that they focused on Alchemy; preferring to fabricate empowering items like swords and amulets rather than master their potential. Are their unique items part of their character? Do they bring them with them to any vs. match? An Exar Kun with his amulet and unique saber is a lot more powerful than one with only a conventional lightsaber. I'd like to see you guys try to distill the base character's abilities, and identify where their natural powers stop and their technology/magic starts.
Originally posted by truejediIf someone who operated three thousand years before Bane isn't, why would he be?
then i'll have to sit this one out too. What do we actually know about ancient Sith? I don't think i've ever read a novel on them. If its all out of comic books, then ya, count me out of that discussion as well. (does bane qualify as an ancient sith?)
Well, Ragnos is the main idea here. But his power can be roughly estimated somewhat by looking at what his inferiors (Sadow, Kressh) and his successors (Exar Kun) were capable of, so I guess we can hit them at the same time. Those three don't really have troves of sources detailing them anyway, as opposed to the other three people we've looked at so far, so it shouldn't be that big of a deal.
As to the main topic with the Ancients? Going to have to remain thoroughly unimpressed with the vast majority of them. In fact, I'd call every single one that we've seen save possibly Naga and Marka who gets off by virtue of being a corpse? Absolute jokes.
There is nothing to excuse the Massassi thing in both Golden Age and Fall
Replace 'killing' with 'cut down in legion' by and that's more accurate. For starters:
The only Massassi to get hits on Jedi are Kargath the Night Beast...not an ordinary Massassi, and he gets a hit on Sylvar when she's diving at Exar-and doesn't kill her. And one who slashes Ood Bnar from behind...Ood being locked in combat with Exar Kun.
Maybe my memory on The Sith War is...fuzzy, but what Jedi were the Massassi killing?
Actually I must agree with lightsnake, the true ancient sith seems actually unimpressive. Ragnos maybe was the exception but we saw nothing from him actually. I would like to point out however, the fact that (according to the Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force if I not wrong) Adjunta Pall was said to slew more then a dozen of jedi in the battle of Corbos, which is something at least lol.
Originally posted by Faunus
Good thing we're not talking about the rabble, then. It's like saying most PT Jedi failed at combat (they did) so PT-era Jedi are jokes.lol dey muzt suk teh big 1.
I think we should also talk about the knowledge(which I know it is hard to but I think it has to be addressed when discussing the ancient sith as a whole) that the Ancient Sith had that the sith from Kun's time and forward are so eager to find. We know that their knowledge is valuable but one thing that bugs from reading some of the old arguments is the fact that non one usually brings up the point that what techniques have been "invented" since their time or possibly refined to be better. I know you can't really prove the latter part either way but I thought I throw it out there to see other people's opinion on the matter.
Originally posted by LightsnakeWe don't know what time period Darth Andeddu is from - he could easily be a post-Revan figure.
I wasn't aware members of the Sith Ruling Council, Darth Andeddu and all the easily butchered Sith Lords were part of the 'rabble'.
And if being surprised and murdered by soldiers you thought you commanded was a mark of failure, almost all PT Jedi Padawans, Knights, and Masters fail hard, since they got killed by men with guns instead of Force-sensitive warriors.